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    This is interesting - it paints a picture of the Big Apple as a microcosm of a hell hole banana republic nation: a few really rich powerful people, a few making do in the middle, and a whole bunch of people scraping by any way they can...

    http://lbo-news.com/2011/12/12/nyc-m...l-than-brazil/

    The New York City Independent Budget Office is just out with an analysis (pdf )of income distribution in the city. It’s no surprise that it’s very unequal. The surprise is that it’s far more unequal than Brazil’s.
    Full details are available in the letter—which was in response to a request from City Council member James Oddo—but here are some highlights:
    • The poorest tenth (decile) of the city’s population has an average income of $988, and claim 0.1% of the city’s total income. Since the source of this data is tax returns, the very poor no doubt have hidden sources of income. Taxable income doesn’t include many social benefits, like public housing or Food Stamps. Even allowing for that, my god.
    • The bottom half of the city’s income distribution has 9% of total income; the bottom 80%, 29%. Comparable figures for the U.S. are 19% for the bottom half and 44% for the bottom four-fifths.
    • The richest 10% of New Yorkers have 58% of total income, and the richest 5%, 49%. The national average is 42% for the top 10%, and 32% for the top 5%
    • And here’s where the action is, the proverbial 1%: it has 34% of total income, compared with 19% for the U.S. as a whole.

    Some dollar amounts to make those percentages more concrete:
    • The average income of the poorest 30% is $6,373, on a par with Egypt and about $1,200 below China’s (computed on a purchasing power parity basis, which attempts to adjust for price differences across countries).
    • The city’s median income—the level at which half the population is richer and half is poorer—is $28,213. That’s roughly the level of Greece.
    • The average income of the top 10% (a category that begins at $105,368) is $387,259.
    • The average income of the top 1% (a category that begins at $493,439) is $2,247,515. These are the people that Andrew Cuomo was very reluctant to tax.

    How does the city’s income distribution compare with that of Brazil, a country with a worldwide reputation for stunning inequality?
    • The income of the top 20% of New Yorkers is 64 times that of the bottom 20%. In Brazil, that ratio is 17 times.
    • The income of the top 10% of New Yorkers is 582 times that of the poorest 10%. In Brazil, that ratio is 35 times.

    The New York and Brazilian comparisons are pretty rough, since the Brazilian figures are based on survey data reported by the World Bank. Rich people don’t answer surveys, so the incomes of rich Brazlians are probably way underestimated by that data. But if you look a little down the scale, to the second-richest quintile (20% slice) of Brazilians, they have incomes about 6 times the poorest quintile. In New York, the comparable ratio is 14 times.
    So there you have it: New York City makes Brazil look almost like Sweden!

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    Wow those top New Yorkers must really be productive.

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    • #3
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      I would also love to see a study of how many jobs each one of them has created in the past 10 years of tax cuts --- not including overseas jobs, of course.

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      • #4
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        darling, you have no idea what we have to put up with . . .

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by goodrich4bk View Post
          I would also love to see a study of how many jobs each one of them has created in the past 10 years of tax cuts --- not including overseas jobs, of course.
          I doubt they create too many overseas jobs, either, unless we're talking about overseas producers of 1st growth bordeaux, vacation homes in the caribbean, and luxury swank from french and italian designers....

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by wayiwalk View Post
            I doubt they create too many overseas jobs, either, unless we're talking about overseas producers of 1st growth bordeaux, vacation homes in the caribbean, and luxury swank from french and italian designers....
            Just to play devil's advocate, I've always assumed that the rationale behind the code words "job creators" is that those with money indirectly fund (via the capital markets) those who hire. In other words, if you have money you are automatically a "job creator" whether or not you run a business that does any actual hiring.

            Now to play the angel's advocate. Those with money beyond their consumptive needs, ie., "investors", pursue profits, not jobs. As Gingrich said to Romney the other night, profits can be created by cutting jobs, too.

            I think the average voter hearing "job creators" thinks of the local small business, another favorite image our political class likes to toss around. When combined with "innovation", the understanding is that capitalists create new and better jobs even when they are destroying old and inefficient jobs. For example, Henry Ford destroyed quite a few jobs in the horse industry, but I doubt that Gingrich's criticism of Romney, if applied to somebody like Ford, Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, would get him many votes today.

            That said, the transmission between capital formation and rising living standards has clearly broken. There is no rising tide, just bigger yachts. And more people are now sinking below the waves.

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            • #7
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              My view is that capital can create jobs, but in general capital flows towards the safest, easiest, and highest return on investment.

              That is FIRE.

              Hard to justify in any way that FIRE is a benefit to domestic jobs...

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              • #8
                And one would expect something else?

                The same income disparity exhists anywhere highly productive people congregate. New York City could be substituted with Hollywood or Redmond Washington. As far as the supposed bottom makeing $988 a year, you know that's a lie. Anybody can get a minimum wage job and in New York would be hard pressed to find an employee for less than 30K a year. All that figure ($988) represents is how many tax cheating worms live in the Big Apple.

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                • #9
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                  Leona Helmsley

                  "We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes..."

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by goodrich4bk View Post
                    ....That said, the transmission between capital formation and rising living standards has clearly broken. There is no rising tide, just bigger yachts. And more people are now sinking below the waves.
                    yer tellin ME?
                    lemmeetellyasumthin.... (/mode=maxheadroom)
                    it aint all glamour in that sector.
                    (just ask john kerry...)
                    Last edited by lektrode; December 14, 2011, 09:06 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: New York income inequality

                      Originally posted by dropthatcash
                      New York City could be substituted with Hollywood or Redmond Washington.
                      Do you have any data behind this statement, or is this just your feeling?

                      According to:

                      http://www.city-data.com/zips/90210.html

                      The infamous 90210 and its 21000 or so inhabitants does have lots of rich people, but apparently not even close to as rich as the 8 million or so in New York:



                      Redmond's equivalent graph



                      And then Manhattan's



                      And finally, for comparison, a Texas zip code 75024 (Plano, Dallas Brentwood equivalent):




                      See any differences?

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by gwynedd1 View Post
                        Wow those top New Yorkers must really be productive.
                        you betcha, by golly.. its not easy either, i mean just keeping up ones drive and willingness to do what it takes - whatever it takes - must be tough on em sometimes - i mean the risk involved - its gotta be nerve wracking, what with the occasional bankruptcy thrown in, even in the big apple OPM (somebody elses bux) can get scarce and just how is one supposed to keep up the appearance of success - gawd its gotta be awful, what with all the marketing and PR expense an all...

                        just frightfully expensive, eh?

                        well... at least for some people....



                        • Dec 14, 2011

                        gotta luv the doonster, he's always on the mark...

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                        • #13
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                          nope - but then... the images arent showing?

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