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    Denninger on the sixth:

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=198650


    Let's Make The Clawback Risk REAL


    One of the forum members pointed out something that was obvious to me when I wrote this morning's Ticker, but might have gone over your head.

    I want to make absolutely sure it doesn't go over your head because if you're wrong about this you could lose everything in your bank and investment accounts -- every single dime.

    FDIC / SIPC insured or not.

    Recently Bank of America transferred a bunch of derivatives into their banking arm. "A bunch" means somewhere around $80 trillion worth.

    Now pay very careful attention, because part of the bankruptcy "reform" law in 2005 placed derivative claims in front of depositors in a business failure - including a bank failure.

    What JP Morgan is claiming in the MF Global case is that the derivative trade (which is exactly what a "Repo to Maturity" trade is - it's a derivative) is entitled to preference in the case of MF Global over those who had cash there for safekeeping either as a margin deposit or just as free cash as you would hold free cash in a bank.

    If a major bank blows up this very same claim, supported in existing Bankruptcy Law with the changes signed by George Bush in 2005, will be used to steal the entirety of your bank account, and if you detect the impending blowup shortly before it happens -- say, 90 days before -- you're still exposed to the risk through clawback!

    I have often referenced how that "reform" law in 2005 was used to screw you blind as a consumer, all under the name of the "ownership society" and "responsibility." The truth is that this "reform" law was a raw example of financial******that was intended to and did assault you, the common consumer in America, for the explicit purpose of benefiting large financial institutions.

    Don't run any crap about FDIC insurance in this sort of event either -- in the singular case of Bank of America we're talking about $77 trillion in face value of derivatives. While "notional" values are wildly beyond what anyone would have to pay (as that figure assumes the reference all goes to a literal value of zero) the fact remains that with even a 5% loss the amount of money required would be roughly equal to the entire US Federal Budget, which the FDIC clearly does not have -- nor could it acquire.

    A cascade failure of several large banks would easily result in loss claims that would exceed the entire US GDP; for obvious reasons virtually none of that would actually be paid or recovered and in the case of you, the average person, your reasonable expectation of recovery in such an event is zero.

    There is a fairly cogent argument to be made that what BofA did is tantamount to intentionally placing an armed financial nuclear device in the center of the board room table and then daring anyone -- including the government -- to come tamper with it and risk setting it off, knowing full well that if it explodes it is utterly impossible to contain the damage to our economy and financial system.

    Oh, and just in case you missed it, this risk is not limited to Bank of America. Go look at any of the large banks and their derivative book of business' notional value and then tell me that it makes a bit of difference which institution we're talking about at any instant in time.

    If this risk has not sunk into your brain by now despite my incessant table-pounding you need to go for a psychiatric examination stat. This is not to say that you're about to have the entirety of your savings accounts, CDs and similar disappear, because nobody knows exactly how much risk lies where with what in the US banking system (say much less the European one) and thus the odds of such an event cannot be qualified in any meaningful way.

    But as we have seen since 2007 executives will lie with impunity about their exposure and level of risk in this regard and despite Sarbox, which allegedly makes such lies (when reduced to writing in a quarterly or annual report) a crime nobody has been prosecuted for doing so and it is quite clear to me that the US Department of Justice is intentionally running the clock on the statute of limitations so those who did and do so get away with it.

    The bottom line is this: The risk is very real as customers of MF Global have now discovered "the hard way" and if you're sticking your head in the sand at this point you have no right of complaint when and if it happens to you.

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    Re: bank failure / Bankruptcy Law

    Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post

    ... what BofA did is tantamount to intentionally placing an armed financial nuclear device in the center of the board room table and then daring anyone -- including the government -- to come tamper with it and risk setting it off, knowing full well that if it explodes it is utterly impossible to contain the damage to our economy and financial system....
    Hmm. I haven't seen anyone else present this as the ultimate poison pill maneuver.

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    • #3
      Re: bank failure / Bankruptcy Law

      Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
      Denninger on the sixth:

      . . . Go look at any of the large banks and their derivative book of business' notional value and then tell me that it makes a bit of difference which institution we're talking about at any instant in time.
      It is not entirely clear if Denninger is concerned with the FDIC-insured aspect of the maneuver or the "special treatment" of financial market contracts under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.

      Denniniger appears to be mixing apples and oranges. These issues are mutually exclusive, since federally-insured banks are not eligible to file bankruptcy. See 11 U.S.C. sec. 109(b)(2). Commodity brokers are not FDIC-insured.

      None of this changes the gnawing sense that the game, whether it involves apples or oranges, is "fixed" in favor of the large financial players.

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        Re: bank failure / Bankruptcy Law

        Originally posted by Stroebel View Post
        It is not entirely clear if Denninger is concerned with the FDIC-insured aspect of the maneuver or the "special treatment" of financial market contracts under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.

        Denniniger appears to be mixing apples and oranges. These issues are mutually exclusive, since federally-insured banks are not eligible to file bankruptcy. See 11 U.S.C. sec. 109(b)(2). Commodity brokers are not FDIC-insured.

        None of this changes the gnawing sense that the game, whether it involves apples or oranges, is "fixed" in favor of the large financial players.

        I suspect that this is not correct. A bank is a business just like any other and they can and do go bankrupt. As a general rule the FDIC does not like to see banks go bankrupt because it makes their oversight look weak. Therefore they tend to seize the bank before it goes into bankruptcy proceedings. I remember a few years back reading about a bank that noticed that the FDIC was moving more slowly than usual ( because of a shortage of staff) and preemptively declared bankruptcy. My google skills are failing right now, but I will post a link if I find it.

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        • #5
          Re: bank failure / Bankruptcy Law

          Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
          I suspect that this is not correct. A bank is a business just like any other and they can and do go bankrupt.
          I am rock-solid confident that commercial banks cannot file for bankruptcy. Unlike other businesses, commercial banks are protected by FDIC insurance. Denninger is not talking about "going bankrupt" in a general sense of failing, but rather commencing a case under Title 11 of the United States Code.

          If he is arguing that commercial banks can take advantage of the provisions governing broker liquidations (11 U.S.C. sec. 761 et seq.) under current law, then he is mistaken.

          You don't need to take my word for it. Here is the Bankruptcy Code provision prohibiting banks and insurance companies from filing bankruptcy:

          § 109. Who may be a debtor

          . . .

          (b) A person may be a debtor under chapter 7 of this title only if such person is not—
          (1) a railroad;
          (2) a domestic insurance company, bank, savings bank, cooperative bank, savings and loan association, building and loan association, homestead association, a New Markets Venture Capital company as defined in section 351 of the Small Business Investment Act of 1958, a small business investment company licensed by the Small Business Administration under section 301 of the Small Business Investment Act of 1958, credit union, or industrial bank or similar institution which is an insured bank as defined in section 3(h) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act, except that an uninsured State member bank, or a corporation organized under section 25A of the Federal Reserve Act, which operates, or operates as, a multilateral clearing organization pursuant to section 409 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Improvement Act of 1991 may be a debtor if a petition is filed at the direction of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System; or
          (3) (A) a foreign insurance company, engaged in such business in the United States; or
          (B) a foreign bank, savings bank, cooperative bank, savings and loan association, building and loan association, or credit union, that has a branch or agency (as defined in section 1(b) of the International Banking Act of 1978) in the United States.

          . . .

          (d) Only a railroad, a person that may be a debtor under chapter 7 of this title (except a stockbroker or a commodity broker), and an uninsured State member bank, or a corporation organized under section 25A of the Federal Reserve Act, which operates, or operates as, a multilateral clearing organization pursuant to section 409 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Improvement Act of 1991 may be a debtor under chapter 11 of this title.

          11 U.S.C. sec. 109 (emphasis added).


          http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...9----000-.html

          Note that sec. 109 does not cover all financial instutions (recall Lehman Brothers), and does not cover bank holding companies. But the "big banks" that Denninger refers to are not going to file for bankruptcy.

          This is why there are laws governing the receivership of commercial banks.

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          • #6
            Re: bank failure / Bankruptcy Law

            Thanks, Stroebel, for sharing your expertise. I have no background in this, but recall that there are chapters (11, 13, etc.) of the bankruptcy code other than the chapter 7 referred to here. Do all relevant chapters have the same exception? Or are other chapters irrelevant for other reasons?

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            • #7
              Re: bank failure / Bankruptcy Law

              Originally posted by astonas View Post
              Do all relevant chapters have the same exception?
              The chapters each have different standards on who is eligible to be a debtor. Federally insured banks and insurance companies are excluded from all chapters.

              Both businesses and individuals can file bankruptcies under chapters 7 (liquidation) or 11 (a plan calling for reorganization or liquidation).

              See my comment above, which quotes the provisions of sec. 109 on who can be a debtor under chapter 7 or chapter 11.

              Who may be a debtor under chapter 9 (municipalities), 12 (family farmers or family fishermen) and 13 (individuals with regular income) are also set forth in sec. 109, which can be reached by following the link in my comment.

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