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  • Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

    Daily fix of Euro-doom from one of The Economist's bloggers:
    To make loans, banks need funding. For this, they mainly tap into three sources: long-term bonds, deposits from consumers, and short-term loans from money markets as well as other banks.

    ...

    Markets for bank bonds were the first to freeze. In the third quarter bonds issues by European banks only reached 15% of the amount they raised over the same period in the past two years, reckon analysts at Citi Group. It is unlikely that European banks have sold many more bonds since.

    Short-term funding markets were next to dry up. Hardest hit were European banks that need dollars to finance world trade (more than one third of which is funded by European banks, according to Barclays). American money market funds, in particular, have pulled back from Europe. Loans to French banks have plunged 69% since the end of May and nearly 20% over the past month alone, according to Fitch, a ratings agency. Over the past six months, it reckons, American money market funds have pulled 42% of their money out of European banks. European money market funds, too, continue to reduce their exposure to France, Italy and Spain, according to the latest numbers from Fitch.

    Interbank markets, in which banks lend to one another, are now also showing signs of severe strain. Banks based in London are paying the highest rate on three month loans since 2009 (compared with a risk-free rate). Banks are also depositing cash with the ECB for a paltry, but risk-free rate instead of making loans.

    That leaves retail and commercial deposits, and even these may have begun to slip away. “We are starting to witness signs that corporates are withdrawing deposits from banks in Spain, Italy, France and Belgium,” an anlayst at Citi Group wrote in a recent report. “This is a worrying development.”

    With funding ever harder to come by, banks are resorting to the financial industry’s equivalent of a pawn broker: parking assets on repo markets or at the central bank to get cash. “We have no alternative to deposits and the ECB,” says a senior executive at one European bank.

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    Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

    More figures on credit stress reported by the BBC:
    So, for example, the European Central Bank yesterday provided 247bn euros of seven-day loans to eurozone banks, in what's known as its Main Refinancing Operation - which is the most it has lent in this way since 17 June 2009, when it lent 310bn euros.

    In normal, relatively unstressed markets, the ECB would provide between 50bn euros and 150bn euros of week-long loans. So 247bn shows that banks are having difficulties borrowing from normal commercial sources.

    That said, stress levels are slightly below red on the alert scale: for seven weeks in the autumn of 2008, at the height of the banking crisis, the ECB provided well over 300bn of this finance.


    Or to put it another way, we have not - at this juncture - returned to the dysfunctional market conditions of the world after Lehman.

    Then there are the figures for how much banks are lending to the ECB, as opposed to borrowing from it - and these too are elevated.

    On Monday, banks deposited 235bn with the central bank, compared with under 50bn that you would expect in normal times.

    When a bank decides to park cash with a central bank, it is valuing the certainty of getting its money back above the additional rewards available from lending its cash to other banks: it only gets 0.5% interest from the ECB, compared with at least twice that from lending the money elsewhere.

    So it is not a healthy sign when banks want to lend to the ECB.

    For what it's worth, however, this indicator of banks' anxiety was worse earlier in November, when they deposited 299bn euros at the central bank.

    The final indicator of stress worth examining is the use of the Marginal Lending Facility, which is a way for banks to borrow overnight from the ECB when they're unable to reconcile their borrowing and lending needs at the end of the day.

    Again, it is not a good sign if banks can't manage their day-to-day financing needs without a bit of last-minute help from the central bank: it is not good banking practice to live hand-to-mouth in this way.

    On Monday, eurozone banks borrowed 2.4bn euros overnight - which may not sound like much, but when markets are calm, use of this overnight facility drops well below 100m euros.

    This measure shows that bank stress has been rising pretty significantly from mid September onwards. On 23 October, overnight borrowing peaked at 4.6bn euros.

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      Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

      Not to be flip - but do we really expect the European banks to continue to not have the same type of access to unlimited government credit as their US TBTF counterparts have achieved?

      Isn't much of this PIIGS folderol really specifically about preserving TBTF European banks from liquidity and solvency issues? Having the ECB guarantee crap PIIGS debt is really no different than Bernanke buying up $1T+ of crap mortgages.

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      • #4
        Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

        thanks Ash!
        i'm glad somebody keeps an eye on what we're _really_ all here for....

        so i guess the question now: is this the start of the domino effect?

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        • #5
          Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
          Not to be flip - ....
          and thank you mr c1ue
          always appreciate your lightning fast analysis...

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            Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

            Originally posted by c1ue View Post
            Not to be flip - but do we really expect the European banks to continue to not have the same type of access to unlimited government credit as their US TBTF counterparts have achieved?

            Isn't much of this PIIGS folderol really specifically about preserving TBTF European banks from liquidity and solvency issues? Having the ECB guarantee crap PIIGS debt is really no different than Bernanke buying up $1T+ of crap mortgages.
            Not quite the same. The Boards and management of the major European banks are at this moment selling everything they can up to and including their mother's Christmas presents [bankers are not a sentimental lot apparently] in an effort to raise capital. Speaking to some BNP Paribas folks we were dealing with last week in Switzerland...it's truly brutal for all of them right now. Hank and Ben did the opposite...they helped the TBTF banks in the USA get bigger by assisting the acqusitions of failing enterprises.

            The European governments will undoubtedly bail out the biggest of their national banks, but those TBTF banks are going to be much smaller when the bailout help arrives.

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              Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

              Originally posted by GRG55
              The European governments will undoubtedly bail out the biggest of their national banks, but those TBTF banks are going to be much smaller when the bailout help arrives.
              So is this bad or good for the EU in the medium and long term?

              Short term, of course, not good.

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              • #8
                Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

                In the medium and long term, it seems increasingly possible that there won't be an EU.

                Creditors are now looking at each individual country's government and banking system as a single consolidated entity, which means that as a practical matter there may not be such a thing as TBTF for much longer. The banks in Ireland and Greece were deemed "TBTF", but as it turned out, the consolidated governments / banking systems were too leveraged to save.

                Even if they wanted to, Italy and Spain won't be able to bail out their "TBTF"s any more than Ireland could, if the situation reaches that point.

                It then comes down to whether the ECB is willing to monetize a large portion of the debt of both the sovereigns and their large banks simultaneously (not just 1-2 trillion euros, but possibly many, many trillions.)

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                  Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Not quite the same. The Boards and management of the major European banks are at this moment selling everything they can up to and including their mother's Christmas presents [bankers are not a sentimental lot apparently] in an effort to raise capital. Speaking to some BNP Paribas folks we were dealing with last week in Switzerland...it's truly brutal for all of them right now. Hank and Ben did the opposite...they helped the TBTF banks in the USA get bigger by assisting the acqusitions of failing enterprises.

                  The European governments will undoubtedly bail out the biggest of their national banks, but those TBTF banks are going to be much smaller when the bailout help arrives.
                  in the europe in crisis thread, mmr recently posted an article asserting that the banks are having a lot of trouble selling their assets. seems like potential buyers don't want to pay full price. so they may want to slim down, but aren't willing to take hit of selling their assets at market prices.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

                    Not a bad summary of the vectors of contagion here:

                    http://www.economist.com/node/21540259

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                    • #11
                      Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      in the europe in crisis thread, mmr recently posted an article asserting that the banks are having a lot of trouble selling their assets. seems like potential buyers don't want to pay full price. so they may want to slim down, but aren't willing to take hit of selling their assets at market prices.
                      One can slim down voluntarily with prudent diet and exercise, [control the process by deciding what assets remain on the balance sheet] or one can slim down involuntarily by being starved [the market forces the repricing of assets on the balance sheet]. Either way it would appear the TBTF Euro banks are going to slim down.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        One can slim down voluntarily with prudent diet and exercise, [control the process by deciding what assets remain on the balance sheet] or one can slim down involuntarily by being starved [the market forces the repricing of assets on the balance sheet]. Either way it would appear the TBTF Euro banks are going to slim down.
                        the problem with slimming the painful way, via write downs, is that capital goes down faster than assets and the capitalization problem only gets worse.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Chicken soup for the (financial) bear's soul? Developing European credit crunch...

                          Originally posted by jk View Post
                          the problem with slimming the painful way, via write downs, is that capital goes down faster than assets and the capitalization problem only gets worse.
                          The European banks are probably re-learning that painful lesson that sometimes the first loss is the best loss. I note reports that the Greeks are again negotiating with creditors, and the scalping [it can hardly be called a "haircut" any more] might now be 75% or more...

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