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    well... apologies in advance, but i just couldnt let this one slip by...

    • NOVEMBER 18, 2011

    How Congress Occupied Wall Street

    Politicians who arrive in Washington as men and women of modest means leave as millionaires. Why?
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...463191222.html

    (why indeed.... talk about yer 'burning questions')

    Originally posted by wsj/palin

    By SARAH PALIN

    Mark Twain famously wrote, "There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." Peter Schweizer's new book, "Throw Them All Out," reveals this permanent political class in all its arrogant glory. (Full disclosure: Mr. Schweizer is employed by my political action committee as a foreign-policy adviser.)

    Mr. Schweizer answers the questions so many of us have asked. I addressed this in a speech in Iowa last Labor Day weekend. How do politicians who arrive in Washington, D.C. as men and women of modest means leave as millionaires? How do they miraculously accumulate wealth at a rate faster than the rest of us? How do politicians' stock portfolios outperform even the best hedge-fund managers'? I answered the question in that speech: Politicians derive power from the authority of their office and their access to our tax dollars, and they use that power to enrich and shield themselves.



    Associated Press

    The money-making opportunities for politicians are myriad, and Mr. Schweizer details the most lucrative methods: accepting sweetheart gifts of IPO stock from companies seeking to influence legislation, practicing insider trading with nonpublic government information, earmarking projects that benefit personal real estate holdings, and even subtly extorting campaign donations through the threat of legislation unfavorable to an industry. The list goes on and on, and it's sickening.

    Astonishingly, none of this is technically illegal, at least not for Congress. Members of Congress exempt themselves from the laws they apply to the rest of us. That includes laws that protect whistleblowers (nothing prevents members of Congress from retaliating against staffers who shine light on corruption) and Freedom of Information Act requests (it's easier to get classified documents from the CIA than from a congressional office).

    The corruption isn't confined to one political party or just a few bad apples. It's an endemic problem encompassing leadership on both sides of the aisle. It's an entire system of public servants feathering their own nests.

    None of this surprises me. I've been fighting this type of corruption and cronyism my entire political career. For years Alaskans suspected that our lawmakers and state administrators were in the pockets of the big oil companies to the detriment of ordinary Alaskans. We knew we were being taken for a ride, but it took FBI wiretaps to finally capture lawmakers in the act of selling their votes. In the wake of politicos being carted off to prison, my administration enacted reforms based on transparency and accountability to prevent this from happening again.

    We were successful because we had the righteous indignation of Alaskan citizens on our side. Our good ol' boy political class in Juneau was definitely not with us. Business was good for them, so why would they want to end "business as usual"?

    The moment you threaten to strip politicians of their legal graft, they'll moan that they can't govern effectively without it. Perhaps they'll gravitate toward reform, but often their idea of reform is to limit the right of "We the people" to exercise our freedom of speech in the political process.

    I've learned from local, state and national political experience that the only solution to entrenched corruption is sudden and relentless reform. Sudden because our permanent political class is adept at changing the subject to divert the public's attention—and we can no longer afford to be indifferent to this system of graft when our country is going bankrupt. Reform must be relentless because fighting corruption is like a game of whack-a-mole. You knock it down in one area only to see it pop up in another.

    What are the solutions? We need reform that provides real transparency. Congress should be subject to the Freedom of Information Act like everyone else. We need more detailed financial disclosure reports, and members should submit reports much more often than once a year. All stock transactions above $5,000 should be disclosed within five days.
    We need equality under the law. From now on, laws that apply to the private sector must apply to Congress, including whistleblower, conflict-of-interest and insider-trading laws. Trading on nonpublic government information should be illegal both for those who pass on the information and those who trade on it. (This should close the loophole of the blind trusts that aren't really blind because they're managed by family members or friends.)

    No more sweetheart land deals with campaign contributors. No gifts of IPO shares. No trading of stocks related to committee assignments. No earmarks where the congressman receives a direct benefit. No accepting campaign contributions while Congress is in session. No lobbyists as family members, and no transitioning into a lobbying career after leaving office. No more revolving door, ever.

    This call for real reform must transcend political parties. The grass-roots movements of the right and the left should embrace this. The tea party's mission has always been opposition to waste and crony capitalism, and the Occupy protesters must realize that Washington politicians have been "Occupying Wall Street" long before anyone pitched a tent in Zuccotti Park.

    Ms. Palin, a former governor of Alaska, was the Republican nominee for vice president in 2008.
    say what you want about cariboo barbie, but she clearly knows how to make her point. (and make it stick)

    and writing as a former resident of The Live Free or Die State, this is precisely why i say that the federal political class should be on the SAME PROGRAM as NH's legislature is: a small stipend (100bux/year) + housing allowance (and NH only gives em a mileage allowance to drive to concord - thats it baybee - not enuf for ya? = TOO BAD, get a real job)
    and NO PENSION, NO SPECIAL HEALTHCARE BENE'S either.... do the Public's Business and GO HOME at the end of their term-limited time in office - period, full stop.

    then we'd see AN END TO THE CAREER POLITICIANS = The Problem
    Last edited by lektrode; November 18, 2011, 03:10 PM.

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    Re: The native american Criminal Class

    Originally posted by lektrode View Post
    well... apologies in advance, but i just couldnt let this one slip by...

    say what you want about cariboo barbie, but she clearly knows how to make her point. (and make it stick)

    and writing as a former resident of The Live Free or Die State, this is precisely why i say that the federal political class should be on the SAME PROGRAM as NH's legislature is: a small stipend (100bux/year) + housing allowance (and NH only gives em a mileage allowance to drive to concord - thats it baybee - not enuf for ya? = TOO BAD, get a real job)
    and NO PENSION, NO SPECIAL HEALTHCARE BENE'S either.... do the Public's Business and GO HOME at the end of their term-limited time in office - period, full stop.

    then we'd see AN END TO THE CAREER POLITICIANS = The Problem
    I completely disagree with your conclusion. If you pay people nothing for doing the job, they MUST use immoral/unethical/corrupt means to pay the bills. I am personally in favor of a wage equal to 5 times the Median yearly income of their constituency, with a fully indexed full pension after 8 years, with a maximum of 12 years service allowed. This kind of money would dramatically reduce the incentive to follow the dark side IF the public also paid for the cost of the elections (and corporations were denied personhood).

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      Brent217,
      Paying nothing means volunteer politicians. That's bad? I'd trust a volunteer over a paid hack any day. You suggest five times the median income. Why? How about 1x? You've bit into the idea that paying more for political services means higher quality. Give me one tiny sliver of evidence that is the case anywhere in this world. Same with pensions--what private sector job vests full pensions in 8 years?? Besides, there's no results test so merely mainaining body temperature results in full pay and pension. Odd. Stay with volunteers and no term limits needed.
      Other than those points, I agree with all you said..... Sorry, after writing this, I realized that it seems more harsh than I'd planned. Please accept the poor humor. Take care. Stetts

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        Originally posted by stetts View Post
        Brent217,
        Paying nothing means volunteer politicians. That's bad? I'd trust a volunteer over a paid hack any day. You suggest five times the median income. Why? How about 1x? You've bit into the idea that paying more for political services means higher quality. Give me one tiny sliver of evidence that is the case anywhere in this world. Same with pensions--what private sector job vests full pensions in 8 years?? Besides, there's no results test so merely mainaining body temperature results in full pay and pension. Odd. Stay with volunteers and no term limits needed.
        Other than those points, I agree with all you said..... Sorry, after writing this, I realized that it seems more harsh than I'd planned. Please accept the poor humor. Take care. Stetts
        Singapore.

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          Originally posted by stetts View Post
          Paying nothing means volunteer politicians. That's bad? I'd trust a volunteer over a paid hack any day.
          Very few avg. people would be able to volunteer, you'd end up with mostly the wealthy as politicians by default who would of course shape government to fit their needs over everyone elses'. Unless of course you're willing to subsidize their cost of living, in which case you might as well just pay them a wage anyways. If you're paying them a wage then you're back to Brent217's suggestion by default since that or something very much like it would be the best way to go. Unless of course you believe in the existence near saint like politicians who will work for free and never abuse the system to get rich, in which case I'd have to say your view doesn't fit with reality or history. You'd essentially be arguing for utopia or something close to it.

          Originally posted by stetts View Post
          You suggest five times the median income. Why? How about 1x? You've bit into the idea that paying more for political services means higher quality.
          Most of the people who would be good at that sort of work wouldn't want to work for that sort of wage. Most skilled or specialized labor will want a higher than average wage, particularly if the job is high stress. There is a reason why doctors tend to be highly paid for instance. Same thing with say, deep sea welders. No one is willing to do that work for chump change.

          Originally posted by stetts View Post
          Same with pensions--what private sector job vests full pensions in 8 years??
          Even if there isn't any that do it wouldn't matter. You want to keep your politicians as free from the influence and temptation of monied interests as humanly possible. Making sure they're well paid and have no _need_ of cash is the best way to do that.

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            Criminal Class?

            Palin's on the 10-Most Wanted List

            Net worth 20 Million.

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              Originally posted by brent217
              I completely disagree with your conclusion. If you pay people nothing for doing the job, they MUST use immoral/unethical/corrupt means to pay the bills. I am personally in favor of a wage equal to 5 times the Median yearly income of their constituency, with a fully indexed full pension after 8 years, with a maximum of 12 years service allowed. This kind of money would dramatically reduce the incentive to follow the dark side IF the public also paid for the cost of the elections (and corporations were denied personhood).
              I think it is disingenuous to say that higher pay yields better results.

              We don't see this in most any other fields, whether it be CEOs, banksters, or whatever.

              Why then would it apply to politicians?

              Secondly having decent, or even high pay doesn't in any way disincentivize anyone from peculation or any other forms of corruption. Members of Congress are never poor, but even the rich ones keep getting richer. What does it matter if a Congressman gets paid $100K or $400K, if he can gain millions using his vote?

              Note this criticism equally applies to Congress-members who don't get paid anything.

              The problem is the source of money. While there is no way to prevent a Congress-member from abusing his voters' trust in order to eventually get a pay day, at the least we should make it so that donations are not the primary focus of the Congress-member or aspiring Congress-member.

              Should we really be surprised that the monetary favors necessary to gain and retain office are easily morphed into favors in office? And how easy is it to see what favors are paid for, when there is such a tide of money swamping everything?

              Get The Money Out, is the only way.

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                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                ...The problem is the source of money. ...Get The Money Out, is the only way.
                My political views are conservative and I never thought I would consider any form of public financing of elections, but I do now.
                c1ue is right - until this is dealt with any "reform" is doomed to fail.

                Speaking of utopia, even if you're liberal you have to admit this guy's an example of a true public servant.

                He has never voted to raise taxes.
                He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
                He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
                He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
                He has never taken a government-paid junket.
                He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

                He voted against the Patriot Act.
                He voted against regulating the Internet.
                He voted against the Iraq war.

                He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
                He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

                Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.






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                  I do not understand why republican party members do not vote for Ron Paul. Is it just the love of war?

                  I think we give large bonuses to a much-enlarged FBI agency for busting corrupt officials and lobbyists. We have a ton of laws on the books, both for congress and wall street. We just need enforcement. These swine cost more blood and treasure than any terrorist boogeymen has in the history of the world.

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                    Originally posted by aaron View Post
                    I do not understand why republican party members do not vote for Ron Paul. Is it just the love of war?
                    I think it's because they've bought into the meme that he can't win.

                    Typical conversation:

                    "Ron Paul is honest. He has great ideas. He's the only one running who's not bought off by special interests. Vote for Ron Paul!"

                    "Yeah, he's great but he can't win."

                    Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                      Originally posted by solitas777 View Post
                      Singapore.
                      que pasa?

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                        Criminal Class?

                        Palin's on the 10-Most Wanted List

                        Net worth 20 Million.
                        fair enough.
                        but... nears i know, she made it all _after_ she was OUT of office?
                        vs say... oh i dunno... like maybe our fearless leader who made most of his DURING his not even _one_ full gig in the senate
                        correction please if i'm wrong on this.

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                          Originally posted by Raz View Post
                          My political views are conservative and I never thought I would consider any form of public financing of elections, but I do now.
                          c1ue is right - until this is dealt with any "reform" is doomed to fail.

                          Speaking of utopia, even if you're liberal you have to admit this guy's an example of a true public servant....
                          +1
                          mr paul Walks The Walk
                          too bad we cant draft him....

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                            Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                            ..."Ron Paul is honest. He has great ideas. He's the only one running who's not bought off by special interests. Vote for Ron Paul!"

                            "Yeah, he's great but he can't win."
                            yep - but methinks it mostly because he's a real threat to the status quo - and that makes him dangerous

                            cant have the whole stinking corrupt mess refered to as 'congressional Whorse Trading' upset (with apologies to the oldest profession), NO SIREE = "....how else would we get re-elected...?"

                            why i say TERM LIMITS along with just enuf of a stipend/housing allowance to keep them from starving = INCENTIVE to Get The Job Done and GO HOME, and BACK TO WORK on a Real Job, just like The Rest of Us have to

                            who in hell ever told them that they are somehow entitled to all they have voted for themselves - its like they think they royalty or something and here we are 400 years later, after having fled the 'old world order' where blood line and the landed aristocracy call(ed) all the shots and now WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES of their abject failure to do the right thing, as simple as PASSING A BUDGET, NEVER MIND A BALANCED ONE - For The MAJORITY, while they pander to the minority(ies) and whatever the latest PC Special Interest happens to be, in order to curry favour with some toenail sliver of the electorate, as they give away the treasury to buy the (votes of same to get enuf to win) elections?

                            BS i say... and this is why a guy like ron paul has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the prez

                            oh - and lest anybody think i'm against 'minorities' - let me tell ya something - one has no appreciation of just what being a 'minority' means, until one lives out here...

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                              Originally posted by mesyn191 View Post
                              Very few avg. people would be able to volunteer, you'd end up with mostly the wealthy as politicians by default who would of course shape government to fit their needs over everyone elses'.
                              the experience of New Hampshire over the past 235 years would suggest otherwise.

                              and paying them a bunch of money, as in most of the blue states, doesnt seem to have got them anything better, in the way of Results.

                              and the best way to keep them "free from the influence and temptation" is to send them home as soon as possible.

                              just sayin...

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