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    Here's the article. This may help explain some of the impetus behind recent events. Perhaps the youth can "feel it" even if they can't articulate it (and they are doing better at articulating it over time).



    Originally posted by CBS News (Not Pew - done for clarity)
    The wealth gap between younger and older Americans has stretched to the widest on record, worsened by a prolonged economic downturn that has wiped out job opportunities for young adults and saddled them with housing and college debt.

    The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday.

    While people typically accumulate assets as they age, this wealth gap is now more than double what it was in 2005 and nearly five times the 10-to-1 disparity a quarter-century ago, after adjusting for inflation.

    The analysis reflects the impact of the economic downturn, which has hit young adults particularly hard. More are pursuing college or advanced degrees, taking on debt as they wait for the job market to recover. Others are struggling to pay mortgage costs on homes now worth less than when they were bought in the housing boom.

    The report, coming out before the Nov. 23 deadline for a special congressional committee to propose $1.2 trillion in budget cuts over 10 years, casts a spotlight on a government safety net that has buoyed older Americans on Social Security and Medicare amid wider cuts to education and other programs, including cash assistance for poor families.

    "It makes us wonder whether the extraordinary amount of resources we spend on retirees and their health care should be at least partially reallocated to those who are hurting worse than them," said Harry Holzer, a labor economist and public policy professor at Georgetown University who called the magnitude of the wealth gap "striking."





    The median net worth of households headed by someone 65 or older was $170,494. That is 42 percent more than in 1984, when the Census Bureau first began measuring wealth broken down by age. The median net worth for the younger-age households was $3,662, down by 68 percent from a quarter-century ago, according to the analysis by the Pew Research.

    Net worth includes the value of a person's home, possessions and savings accumulated over the years, including stocks, bank accounts, real estate, cars, boats or other property, minus any debt such as mortgages, college loans and credit card bills. Older Americans tend to hold more net worth because they are more likely to have paid off their mortgages and built up more savings from salary, stocks and other investments over time. The median is the midpoint, and thus refers to a typical household.

    The 47-to-1 wealth gap between old and young is believed by demographers to be the highest ever, even predating government records.






    In all, 37 percent of younger-age households have a net worth of zero or less, nearly double the share in 1984. But among households headed by a person 65 or older, the percentage in that category has been largely unchanged at 8 percent.

    While the wealth gap has been widening gradually due to delayed marriage and increases in single parenting among young adults, the housing bust and recession have made it significantly worse.

    For young adults, the main asset is their home. Their housing wealth dropped 31 percent from 1984, the result of increased debt and falling home values. In contrast, Americans 65 or older were more likely to have bought homes long before the housing boom and thus saw a 57 percent gain in housing wealth even after the bust.

    Older Americans are staying in jobs longer, while young adults now face the highest unemployment since World War II. As a result, the median income of older-age households since 1967 has grown at four times the rate of those headed by the under-35 age group.

    Social Security benefits account for 55 percent of the annual income for older-age households, unchanged since 1984. The retirement benefits, which are indexed for inflation, have been a consistent source of income even as safety-net benefits for other groups such as low-income students have failed to keep up with rising costs or begun to fray. The congressional supercommittee that is proposing budget cuts has been reviewing whether to trim college aid programs, such as by restricting eligibility or charging students interest on loans while they are still in school.
    Sheldon Danziger, a University of Michigan public policy professor who specializes in poverty, noted skyrocketing college tuition costs, which come as many strapped state governments cut support for public universities. Federal spending on Pell Grants to low-income students has risen somewhat, but covers a diminishing share of the actual cost of attending college.

    "The elderly have a comprehensive safety net that most adults, especially young adults, lack," Danziger said.

    Paul Taylor, director of Pew Social & Demographic Trends and co-author of the analysis, said the report shows that today's young adults are starting out in life in a very tough economic position. "If this pattern continues, it will call into question one of the most basic tenets of the American Dream — the idea that each generation does better than the one that came before," he said.

    Other findings:

    -Households headed by someone under age 35 had their median net worth reduced by 27 percent in 2009 as a result of unsecured liabilities, mostly a combination of credit card debt and student loans. No other age group had anywhere near that level of unsecured liability acting as a drag on net worth; the next closest was the 35-44 age group, at 10 percent.


    -Wealth inequality is increasing within all age groups. Among the younger-age households, those living in debt have grown the fastest while the share of households with net worth of at least $250,000 edged up slightly to 2 percent. Among the older-age households, the share of households worth at least $250,000 rose to 20 percent from 8 percent in 1984; those living in debt were largely unchanged at 8 percent.

    On Monday, the Census Bureau planned to release new 2010 figures that will show a big increase in poverty for Americans 65 or older due to rising out-of-pocket medical expenses. Currently, about 9 percent of older Americans fall below the poverty line, based on the official definition put out in September, but that number did not factor in everyday costs such as health care and commuting.

    The new supplemental figures will show poverty to be higher than previously known for several groups, although they may not fully reflect longer-term changes. For instance, a recent working paper by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that U.S. spending on the safety net from 1984 to 2004 shifted notably toward programs benefiting the near-poor rather than the extreme poor and to the elderly rather than younger adults. That trend, which has continued since 2004, has led to faster increases in poverty over time for some of the underserved groups.

    Robert Moffitt, a professor of economics at Johns Hopkins University and co-author the paper, cited a series of cuts in government programs since 1984 for the neediest, including welfare payments to single parents and the unemployed under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, while Social Security and Medicare have either been expanded or remained constant.

    "Over time, even under a revised poverty measure, the elderly have done better," he said.
    Last edited by dcarrigg; November 07, 2011, 10:58 AM.

  • #2
    Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

    Expect more of this kind of divide-and-conquer MSM 'information'. What's next, rebirth of the Generation Gap or the Credibility Gap.

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by don View Post
      Expect more of this kind of divide-and-conquer MSM 'information'. What's next, rebirth of the Generation Gap or the Credibility Gap.
      It's funny. I didn't read the data thinking about divide-and-conquer. I mostly read it and thought - "Gee, the youth get saddled with debt early and missed out on the housing bonanza. This, combined with lower median wages, leaves them in a particularly tough spot and puts the middle class at further risk moving forward."

      I can see how one would have read it as a divisive piece now. I don't feel good about that.

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        Originally posted by don View Post
        Expect more of this kind of divide-and-conquer MSM 'information'. What's next, rebirth of the Generation Gap or the Credibility Gap.
        I don't view this as "divide and conquer" information, I view it as information that might help older American's show some empathy for their younger fellow citizens, who are growing up in a vastly different America.

        If anything, the meme the MSM is pushing, and the one I see reflected in the comment section of most articles, is the opposite of this - that young OWS protesters should just go get jobs, and that they have had all the same opportunities as older Americans to be successful but have chosen to squander them because they are "entitled" and lazy.

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        • #5
          Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

          Ah, you beat me to it.

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            Originally posted by don View Post
            Expect more of this kind of divide-and-conquer MSM 'information'. What's next, rebirth of the Generation Gap or the Credibility Gap.
            "Divide and conquer"? No man -- that division is real, and "it" is on!. (Tongue sorta in cheek; sorta not.)

            I genuinely feel aggrieved by the older generation (when thought of in the abstract aggregate), and I think rationally so. This feeling has defined my economic consciousness for the last decade. I don't hold individuals responsible for collective policy decisions, but I do blame the older cohort for acceding to a system that is going to screw both my generation and a large number of them. We're clearly in a four-way zero-sum game that pits the wealthy and not-so-wealthy of two age cohorts against each other. I can see with my own eyes that the numerous not-so-wealthy of the older cohort blew it, and allowed the creation of a system destined to screw my age cohort; to pretend otherwise is to be a sucker. Now it's true that to the extent I'm able to avoid being screwed, the not-so-wealthy of the older cohort will also be screwed. But whose fault is that? I didn't have the vote, or the civic responsibility to understand policy, when this went down. The way I see it, some dip-shits back in the 1980's agreed to be swindled out of their payroll taxes so that the wealthy could pay lower income taxes while government expenditures continued to grow, and now they want me to make them whole. No thank you. And lets not forget the financialization of the economy, the asset bubbles, and the accumulation of debt. Way to break the economy -- how is my age cohort supposed to pay your retirement benefits again? When debt builds up, that's because someone consumed more than they produced; when debt passes between generations, then the folks who did the consuming aren't the ones who will do the paying. So no, I don't feel particularly obligated to honor the debts incurred by a previous generation. Turns out I didn't counter-sign the note. Hey -- in aggregate, we're all self-interested here. I don't think that the Baby Boomers are any more self-centered than any other age cohort. But why shouldn't I feel divided from the older generation that set this up?

            Now, of course, the wealthy from my generation would like to shift the responsibility to pay more onto the shoulders of the not-so-wealthy, and we both want to get out from under the obligation to let our elders double-dip. You know, I feel more solidarity with the wealthy of my generation than with the idiots who set this system up, even if the wealthy of my generation are trying to get me to pick up more of the tab.

            [/END RANT]
            Last edited by ASH; November 07, 2011, 05:42 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

              Indeed, the politics of the Boomer generation have resonated for decades.

              While I would not say the blame rests solely on that group, it is for a certainty that the voting policies of that group at least allowed, and likely at least partially enabled, much of what has happened.

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              • #8
                Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                The temptations and lifestyle that Boomers succumbed to was made possible by the Cold War social democracy, and its concomitant social programs, that was seen as no longer politically needed after the SU crumbled. That looks to be the case in not only the US but throughout Europe.

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                • #9
                  Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                  [SIZE=2]Well, Duh, the AP discovers you pay down debt as you age, savings increase, income increases, 401Ks compound, etc.

                  "It's 10 to one over a quarter century ago" Right!, Clueless journalist. There were no 401Ks then, IRAs were very new, and home values were a fraction of today.

                  The left is getting desperate to put out such tripe.
                  Last edited by vt; November 07, 2011, 09:53 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                    169,000 net worth at 65 means you're basically broke. Your “savings” are your house, you have almost nothing in the bank.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                      This rant is long overdue. I started to draft a list of all of the legislative changes made in the past 50 years that moved wealth from young to old and it's much longer than I first thought it would be. I'll post it later.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                        Originally posted by ASH View Post
                        "Divide and conquer"? No man -- that division is real, and "it" is on!. (Tongue sorta in cheek; sorta not.)

                        I genuinely feel aggrieved by the older generation (when thought of in the abstract aggregate), and I think rationally so. This feeling has defined my economic consciousness for the last decade. I don't hold individuals responsible for collective policy decisions, but I do blame the older cohort for acceding to a system that is going to screw both my generation and a large number of them. We're clearly in a four-way zero-sum game that pits the wealthy and not-so-wealthy of two age cohorts against each other. I can see with my own eyes that the numerous not-so-wealthy of the older cohort blew it, and acceded to the creation of a system destined to screw my age cohort; to pretend otherwise is to be a sucker. Now it's true that to the extent I'm able to avoid being screwed, the not-so-wealthy of the older cohort will also be screwed. But whose fault is that? I didn't have the vote, or the civic responsibility to understand policy, when this went down. The way I see it, some dip-shits back in the 1980's agreed to be swindled out of their payroll taxes so that the wealthy could pay lower income taxes while government expenditures continued to grow, and now they want me to make them whole. No thank you. And lets not forget the financialization of the economy, the asset bubbles, and the accumulation of debt. Way to break the economy -- how is my age cohort supposed to pay your retirement benefits again? When debt builds up, that's because someone consumed more than they produced; when debt passes between generations, then the folks who did the consuming aren't the ones who will do the paying. So no, I don't feel particularly obligated to honor the debts incurred by a previous generation. Turns out I didn't counter-sign the note. Hey -- in aggregate, we're all self-interested here. I don't think that the Baby Boomers are any more self-centered than any other age cohort. But why shouldn't I feel divided from the older generation that set this up?

                        Now, of course, the wealthy from my generation would like to shift the responsibility to pay more onto the shoulders of the not-so-wealthy, and we both want to get out from under the obligation to let our elders double-dip. You know, I feel more solidarity with the wealthy of my generation than with the idiots who set this system up, even if the wealthy of my generation are trying to get me to pick up more of the tab.

                        [/END RANT]
                        Brava.

                        EJ/FRED tag -- I'm curious if you are hearing echoes of this yourselves.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                          Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                          169,000 net worth at 65 means you're basically broke. Your “savings” are your house, you have almost nothing in the bank.
                          yeah, no kidding. WTF kind of wealth is an avge $170k? At current SocSec and Medicare payouts plus added inflation, especally in food and drugs, if you had it all in cash you could easily burn that off in 10-15 years.

                          it would be better if the article emphasized the wealth disparity between the top 1% in that age group and the rest of the age group.

                          young people typicallyhave little when they are young because they have earned little. careers tend to hit their stride in the 40-50's range.

                          when i was 25 I had about $10k, and I saved like a banshee. at 31 I had about $75k, also because I saved like a banshee and had a good job. I hit 6 figures in savings sometime in my early mid-30's, and 7 figures in my early mid 40's. the dot com days were good to me, but I still worked hard and saved like all get out. I also had my own business. now I know everyone cannot do what I did, and there are plenty who did much much more than me. but seriously, the whole premise of the article is ridiculous.

                          the way i see it, if you want to enjoy a life without work after 65, and you are in your 50's now, you better have at least $2MM given current inflation and government policies. less will easily get eaten up along the way.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                            speaking of rant...
                            ;)

                            oh boy, dc ;)

                            what a rainy day will do to me....

                            lots of interesting stuff - already - on this one, points by ASH are well taken/agreed with.

                            but how this one ties in with OWS may be the best way to go, as the whole sitch seems to be heading in same direction...
                            and pulls in the topic being discussed on: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/20847-College-has-been-(vastly)-oversold
                            and this one (b-hind paywall) discussing a piece at ZH, which sums it all up quite nicely:
                            http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/20804-Bad-Moon-Rising-Article-from-Zerohedge-(Fourth-Turning)

                            but we'll start with some entertainment:




                            Originally posted by theburningplatform
                            http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=22946


                            The youth of America listened to their parents and stayed in school.
                            They’ve racked up over $1 trillion in student loan debt getting college
                            educations. Meanwhile, our Baby Boomer leadership had an opportunity to
                            address the country’s unsustainable fiscal path by accepting the
                            consequences of a thirty year debt binge and liquidating the banks that
                            took extreme risks with extreme leverage. An orderly liquidation (aka
                            Washington Mutual) would have punished the stockholders, bondholders and
                            management of the Wall Street banks, while leaving the depositors whole
                            and purging the system of debt that can never be paid off. Our
                            politicians could have ended our wars of choice in the Middle East and
                            cut our war spending by hundreds of billions without sacrificing one
                            iota of safety for the American people. The political leadership could
                            have put the country on a deficit reduction path that would have insured
                            the long-term viability of our republic.

                            Instead of doing the right thing, our Baby Boomer leaders did the
                            exact opposite of the right thing. They held the American taxpayer
                            hostage and absconded with trillions of their tax dollars and handed it
                            over to the same Wall Street banks that had run the largest fraud scheme
                            in world history
                            and blew up the worldwide financial system.
                            The Boomer
                            Chairman of the Federal Reserve decided to not only save the Wall
                            Street banks but to purposefully try to pump up the stock market, while
                            destroying the lives of savers and senior citizens with his zero
                            interest rate policy. His policies have led to a surge in energy and
                            food prices and contributed to revolutions in the Middle East. The Wall
                            Street banks have used the accounting gimmick of relieving loan loss
                            reserves to create fake profits over the last two years. Wall Street
                            celebrated by paying themselves $60 billion in bonuses between 2008 and
                            2010
                            . The poster boys for the .1% Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein
                            “earned” $23 million and $19 million respectively in 2010.

                            The politicians borrowed trillions from future unborn generations to
                            inflict a Keynesian nightmare of solutions on the American economy that
                            included:
                            an $800 billion porkulus program, $22 billion pissed down the
                            toilet on a homebuyer tax credit as home prices are now lower, $3
                            billion for Cash for Clunkers that cost $24,000 per car sold, loan
                            modification schemes, tax credits for windows, doors and appliances, and
                            payroll tax cuts.
                            and gee, they managed to do ALL this, in only 2 years? - while SCREWING UP THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, to boot???

                            the beltway BOZOS, gotta luv em... see one of my favorite commentaries on the topic, by The Guy from Boston, baybee,
                            right here >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7o9p0fP6cQ

                            but i digress - the rest of this gets even better....

                            Originally posted by theburningplatform
                            The result of all the Federal Reserve and politician
                            “solutions” has been to increase the National Debt by $5.3 trillion in
                            three years, a 55% increase
                            . It took the country over 200 years to
                            accumulate the first $5.3 trillion in debt. Everything done thus far has
                            benefitted only the top 1%. The real unemployment rate is 23%. The real
                            inflation rate is between 5% and 10%. The economy is headed back into
                            recession.
                            But at least the top 1% are doing well, as the stock market
                            has risen 84% from its 2009 lows. Somehow, the oligarchy that runs this
                            country is taken aback by the protests growing increasingly contentious
                            across the country. It is not a surprise to those who understand the
                            cyclical nature of history and the darkening mood in this country, which
                            has been deepening since the Tea Party protests of 2009.

                            ....

                            The bitter condemnation of the protestors
                            for breaking a myriad of minor administrative laws, regulations,
                            ordinances, and curfews is beyond laughable. Fox News, CNBC, the Wall
                            Street Journal, NY Post and the other mouthpieces of the ruling
                            oligarchy are apoplectic about the young protestors camping out in
                            public parks, but they were not too concerned by the Wall Street banks
                            systematically defrauding millions of people by creating mortgage
                            products designed to deceive.


                            They weren’t irate when Wall Street held Congress hostage for a $700
                            billion ransom. They weren’t enraged when Ben Bernanke bought a trillion
                            dollars of toxic mortgage debt from the Wall Street banks at 100 cents
                            on the dollar. They weren’t furious when the government officials forced
                            the FASB to abandon mark to market rules, allowing the Wall Street
                            banks to falsely report their financial statements
                            .

                            But, they are
                            outraged by young people exercising their right to free speech and right
                            to assembly. When their paid armies of thugs attack the protestors with
                            tear gas and billy clubs, they declare the protestors had it coming. It
                            seems the 150 year old American tradition of civil disobedience to
                            protest unjust laws
                            , defined by Henry David Thoreau, is not too popular
                            among Boomers or the corporate mainstream media.


                            .....

                            It
                            should be clear to even the most dense CNBC anchor that the young people
                            protesting in the streets are not to blame for the raping and pillaging
                            of the U.S. economic system by the barbarians on Wall Street over the
                            last thirty years, with the consent and encouragement of the bought off
                            politicians in Washington D.C.


                            .........

                            The Millenials were raised by parents who believed government could
                            solve all our problems
                            . (obviously most of whom were NOT from NH ;)

                            The welfare-warfare state became monolithic
                            during the Boomer reign of error. Therefore, it is understandable these
                            young naïve revolutionaries still cling to the belief the government can
                            solve our problems through more taxes or new program
                            s. The point being
                            missed by all the doubters and detractors of the OWS movement is these
                            young people have zeroed in on the right culprits. They are not stupid.
                            They understand these basic facts:

                            * The $15 trillion National Debt, headed to $20 trillion by 2015, is the gift we are leaving to the Millenials.
                            * The $100 trillion of unfunded entitlement liabilities will never be honored by the time the Millenials retire.
                            * The Millenials know the $1 trillion per year spent maintaining our
                            military empire is more than the next 18 countries’ spending combined,
                            and it benefits only the corporations peddling armaments, while making
                            us less safe.
                            * The soldiers getting killed and wounded in our wars of choice in the Middle East are predominantly Millenials.
                            * There are 14,000 professional lobbyists in Washington D.C.
                            representing mega-corporations, unions, trade groups and other special
                            interests, which have doled out $30 billion over the last decade
                            influencing (bribing) politicians to write the laws in their favor, and
                            not one lobbyist was working for the Millenials.

                            * Millenials know Wall Street has spent $154 million on political
                            contributions and $383 million on lobbying in the last decade. The
                            buying of political influence by our bastions of crony capitalism was as
                            follows: Goldman Sachs – $46 million; Merrill Lynch – $68 million;
                            Citigroup – $108 million; J.P. Morgan Chase – $65 million; Bank of
                            America – $39 million.


                            * The Millenials know the 71,000 page Federal tax code and 140,000
                            pages of Federal regulations are written to protect the interests of the
                            few, not the many.

                            yep - sums it all up quite nicely, doesnt it?

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                              Re: Wealth Disparity between Young and Old at Highest Level Ever

                              Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
                              169,000 net worth at 65 means you're basically broke. Your “savings” are your house, you have almost nothing in the bank.
                              Yeah, but that $169,000 doesn't include the implied wealth of social security benefits and subsidized health care.

                              The average lifetime Social Security benefit for a couple is $555,000. The lifetime Medicare benefit is $355,000. And those numbers don't include cost of living increases that are to come. Additionally, asset tests for public assistance have been eliminated. A millionaire can qualify for public assistance if his income is low enough.

                              I'd say the average senior is in descent, though by no means stellar shape.

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