Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

EU Bailout

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • EU Bailout

    Does the EU bailout deal stand up to scrutiny?


    Nicolas Sarkozy arrives at last night's summit in Brussels

    It's a measure of how desperate the eurozone's plight has become that instead of cooing at his new baby, Nicolas Sarkozy will spend this afternoon on the phone to Beijing, trying to persuade China's president Hu Jintao to stump up some cash for the euro-bailout.

    Any deal was better than no deal last night; but in the cold light of day, the question of why China would want to get involved in bankrolling the eurozone's unmanageable debts was just one of the questions emerging.

    Another was the size of the bailout fund. Even assuming the participation of China and any other investors who can be persuaded to join in, and a whizzy new insurance scheme for sovereign debts, the über-EFSF will be worth €1tn (£875bn).

    Angela Merkel and her colleagues are hoping that by offering insurance on new government debts from Italy, Spain and other troubled countries, they can make the fund's resources go much farther.

    But that depends on private investors being confident that this insurance fund will pay out. As Karen Ward, of HSBC puts it, "is the insurance credible? If the economic circumstances arose that would mean a large sovereign is struggling to meet its commitment (either economic or political collapse), would core economies honour their commitment?"

    If this insurance option doesn't work, the firepower of the EFSF may not be nearly large enough to contain the fallout from Greece's partial default.

    There was also much in last night's deal to show that banks, and their mindset, still have a stranglehold on the way Europe runs its economic affairs.

    In order to persuade bondholders (mainly banks) to agree to a €100bn "haircut" on the Greek debts they hold – one of the sticking points that kept the talks going late into the night – eurozone governments were forced to promise up to €30bn in sweeteners, or "credit enhancements".

    It's not yet clear how these sweeteners will work, and the talks with investors over the details will go on for weeks. But the banks have effectively been able to dictate the terms, because everyone is desperate to avoid a so-called "credit event", which would trigger many billions of pounds' worth of credit default swaps and other complex bets between financial institutions, potentially destabilising the entire banking sector.

    The eurocrats have also taken a leaf out of the banks' books by planning to set up a new "special purpose investment vehicle" ("spiv" for short, oh dear), as part of the rescue package. It's not yet clear exactly how it will work, but it's expected to hold some of the dodgy debts of "impaired" nations such as Portugal and Greece, and fund itself by issuing bonds to investors – including, hopefully, the Chinese.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/e...rutiny-critics

  • #2
    Re: EU Bailout

    A few questions

    trying to persuade China's president Hu Jintao to stump up some cash for the euro-bailout.
    Wasn't China the apparently biggest loser among foreign investors in Libya? Is the EU Bailout a bargaining chip in the divvying up of the post-US/French Libyan spoils?

    a whizzy new insurance scheme for sovereign debts . . . "is the insurance credible? If the economic circumstances arose that would mean a large sovereign is struggling to meet its commitment (either economic or political collapse), would core economies honour their commitment?"
    eurozone governments were forced to promise up to €30bn in sweeteners, or "credit enhancements"
    planning to set up a new "special purpose investment vehicle"
    Can you say, "Enron".

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: EU Bailout

      from Zero Hedge

      Just the math, something Europe is unable to do:
      • Greece has €350 billion in total debt including about €70 billion in Troika "post-petition" loans; these are untouched.
      • Of the €280 billion, roughly €75 billion is held by the ECB: this, like the Troika loans, will be untouched.
      • This leaves just ~€200 billion in actual debt to undergo a haircut.
      • Apply a 50% haircut to this debt (ignoring the fact that of this about €35 billion is held by Greek pension funds, and once the realization that Greek pensions have been cut in half dawns upon the population, the result will be the biggest riots ever seen in Athens yet).
      • Total debt to be cut: just about €100 billion.
      • Hence, of the total €350 billion, just €100 billion is eliminated, most of it used to backstop and service Greek pension and retirement obligations
      • €250, or the residual, of €350, the original, means 72%, or a 28% haircut.
      • Greek GDP was €230 billion on December 31, 2010 and declining fast.
      • And that is how a 50% haircut is "cut" almost in half

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: EU Bailout

        as the dust clears . . .

        Greece Default Swaps Failure to Trigger Casts Doubt on Contracts as Hedge



        The European Union’s ability to write down 50 percent of banks’ Greek bond holdings without triggering $3.7 billion in debt insurance contracts threatens to undermine confidence in credit-default swaps as a hedge and force up borrowing costs.

        As part of today’s accord aimed at resolving the euro region’s sovereign debt crisis, politicians and central bankers said they “invite Greece, private investors and all parties concerned to develop a voluntary bond exchange” into new securities. If the International Swaps & Derivatives Association agrees the exchange isn’t compulsory, credit-default swaps tied to the nation’s debt shouldn’t pay out.

        “It will raise some very serious question marks over the value of CDS contracts,” said Harpreet Parhar, a strategist at Credit Agricole SA in London. “For euro sovereigns in particular, the CDS market is likely to remain wary.”

        Politicians and central bankers came to a last-minute agreement after banks, the biggest private holders of Greece’s government bonds, were threatened with a full default on their debt, according to Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker. ISDA General Counsel David Geen said his organization considered the agreement to be voluntary, even if there may have been “a lot of arm twisting.”

        Stopping Contagion

        Leaders in Brussels agreed to boost Europe’s rescue fund to 1 trillion euros ($1.4 trillion), to recapitalize banks and get a commitment from Italy to do more to reduce debt.

        The talks were regarded by many investors as a last-ditch attempt to stem the sovereign crisis, while preventing the contagion to Spain, Italy and Portugal that they feared a default-swaps trigger would cause. The involvement of the Institute of International Finance, which represents lenders, helped progress toward an accord that the EU could portray as non-mandatory.

        This approach threatens to affect banks that use credit- default swaps to hedge their holdings of government bonds, forcing them to look at other ways of laying off risk.

        “It punishes the banks that were well-hedged and managed, and I think it’s just starting to sink in as to what this might mean,” said Peter Tchir, the founder of hedge fund TF Market Advisors in New York. “Bank hedging desks are definitely now trying to re-evaluate” their use of default swaps, he said.

        Deutsche’s Hedges

        Deutsche Bank AG (DBK), Germany’s biggest lender, used credit- default swaps to help cut its net sovereign risk related to Italy to 996 million euros ($1.4 billion) as of June 30, from 8.01 billion euros six months earlier, Chief Financial Officer Stefan Krause said July 26. The Frankfurt-based lender said this week it has since increased its risk associated with the nation’s debt as it stepped up market making.

        “If they find a way to avoid a trigger event in the CDS, then people will doubt the value of credit-default swaps in general, leading to more dislocations in the market,” said Pilar Gomez-Bravo, the senior adviser at Negentropy Capital in London, which oversees about 200 million euros.

        Credit-default swaps pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a borrower fail to adhere to its debt agreements.


        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...-as-hedge.html

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: EU Bailout

          I hope some smart person comments on this whole situation.

          Here is what I think happened.
          Bank A has 1000 of Greek debt.
          Got nervous they weren't going to get paid, so
          bought a CDS that will make up the difference between the default capture rate and $1000.
          Say this cost them 10%. So now they have no exposure to Greek debt, even though they
          still own the Greek Bond. They are out the $100 for the CDS, and they gain any interest that might be paid out on the
          bond holding.

          Now after this big conference, the Greek bond will be voluntarily exchanged for some SIV vehicle that will hold the Greek bond and have an "insurance wrapper" stating that if the underlying bond defaults, the SIV will kick in to make the SIV owner whole. If the Bank voluntarily exchanges the Greek Bond for the SIV, then no default occurs, and the CDS is not triggered.

          Am I getting it?

          We know the original Greek bond can't be paid back so at least this portion of the underlying SIV assets are gone.
          Is this just a way for the Greeks to default, France and Germany to pick up the tab and have enough smoke an mirrors
          to not alarm the general populace that they just bailed out the banks?

          Where does the ESRF get its funding? German and French sovereign credit backed up by tax receipts?

          Will the ECB be buying this SIV too? (Money printing)

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: EU Bailout

            Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
            Where does the ESRF get its funding?
            He's on the airplane.

            http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...c0bfa37900.a31
            EU bailout fund chief visits China
            (AFP) – 1 hour ago
            BEIJING — The head of the eurozone bailout fund visits Beijing on Friday as debt-laden Europe tries to persuade China and other top emerging economies to come to its rescue.
            Klaus Regling, chief executive of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF), will be in the Chinese capital before travelling to Japan at the weekend, European Union delegations in Beijing and Tokyo have said.
            Regling's visit comes a day after European nations reached a last-ditch deal to tackle their festering debt crisis, which they hope will boost market confidence in struggling eurozone economies.
            French President Nicolas Sarkozy announced at a summit in Brussels that eurozone leaders had agreed to leverage the 440-billion-euro EFSF, the continent's bailout fund, to one trillion euros ($1.4 trillion).
            The EU has not said who Regling would meet in Beijing or Tokyo, nor given reasons for his visit, but Europe has been toying with the idea of asking China and other emerging economies to help, possibly by investing in the rescue fund.
            Sarkozy said Thursday that there was no reason to turn down Chinese assistance.
            "If the Chinese, who have 60 percent of global reserves, decide to invest in the euro instead of the dollar, why refuse?" he said in a television interview, adding: "Our independence will in no way be put into question by this."
            China, the world's second-largest economy, has invested significant sums in European debt and has repeatedly called on Europe to address its sovereign debt crisis, saying a failure to act risks dragging the world back into recession.
            While Beijing cautiously welcomed the deal on Thursday, it has not announced plans to participate in the fund.
            "We believe it is conducive to lifting market confidence, promoting the sustainable economic development of the EU and the eurozone and injecting new vitality into European integration," foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said about the deal.
            "As an important strategic partner of the EU, China has faith in the EU and the eurozone economy."
            The state-owned China Daily newspaper, citing a source close to EU decision makers, said Wednesday that China and other top emerging economies had agreed to help eurozone countries by contributing to the bailout fund.
            But on Thursday China's state Xinhua news agency said Europe needed to take responsibility for the crisis, and not rely on "good samaritans" to rescue the continent.
            Regling is scheduled to hold a media briefing in the Chinese capital on Friday afternoon.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: EU Bailout

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-for-help.html

              Yep, Cap in hand to China.........
              Mike

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: EU Bailout

                Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                We know the original Greek bond can't be paid back so at least this portion of the underlying SIV assets are gone.
                Is this just a way for the Greeks to default, France and Germany to pick up the tab and have enough smoke an mirrors
                to not alarm the general populace that they just bailed out the banks?
                That's what it looks like, though the details of the "SIV" have not yet been negotiated so it's impossible to say yet how much of the burden falls on the banks and how much on the EU taxpayer.

                The Greeks are saying they have gotten a good deal - the outcome for them seems determined at this point although 120% debt-to-GDP by 2020 can hardly be called ambitious:

                Venizelos: ‘We choose the nation over the bankers’

                “The agreement was more favorable for Greece and tougher for the banks”, he said, saying that had been the government’s goal. “Faced with a choice between the nation and the bankers, we choose the nation.”
                But the bankers do not agree that they are the fall guys:

                IIF’s Dallara Sees ‘High Participation’ in Greek Debt Deal

                ... Dallara also said he was confident that the final agreement on private participation won’t have a large effect on the net present value of the eligible debt. The reductions will be of “clearly manageable proportions,” he said.
                The "net present value" of the deal will depend on the maturities and coupons of whatever "SIV" securities will replace the Greek bonds. These have not yet been agreed.

                Overall it's clear that the EU is bailing out its banks yet again. Perhaps even more significant is the clear desire that banks will improve their capital ratios using taxpayer funds in preference to shrinking their assets. Even though the banks are far too large and clearly need to shrink.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: EU Bailout

                  Originally posted by unlucky View Post
                  ...Overall it's clear that the EU is bailing out its banks yet again. Perhaps even more significant is the clear desire that banks will improve their capital ratios using taxpayer funds in preference to shrinking their assets. Even though the banks are far too large and clearly need to shrink.
                  It doesn't matter what the politicians and the bankers would prefer. Over time the market is going to force the banks to shrink...that process is already well underway. And I remain quite certain the dinosaurs among them will go extinct.

                  The problem the politicians will be fighting is the same one they are dealing with now...shrinking credit. The banks are going to rebuild their balance sheets in part by continued reductions in their loan book, at precisely the worst possible time for the economies of Europe.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: EU Bailout

                    All economics is about now is preventing a reckoning. Everything solved? Did somebody just discover oil underneath the Parthenon?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: EU Bailout

                      Originally posted by Mega View Post
                      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-for-help.html

                      Yep, Cap in hand to China.........
                      Mike
                      In the context of the American/French Libyan grab, with China the apparent big foreign investment loser, methinks both parties have cards to play.

                      In addition, hiding in plain sight:

                      European leaders cajoled bondholders into accepting 50 percent writedowns on Greek debt and boosted their rescue fund’s capacity to 1 trillion euros ($1.4 trillion) in a crisis-fighting package intended to shield the euro area. (Bloomberg)

                      That amount has been touted as 5 trillion through the magic of derivatives. So where's the real haircut? (Does anybody think Wall Street's bacchanalia day would have happened if it was for real)

                      The German pension fund has been stated as the "real world" backstop. Ach, Mein Herr, I zee vat you mean! Everything is good, ya.

                      Financial manipulation alone does not create wealth, it can only steal it.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: EU Bailout

                        When is a default not a default?

                        Investors struggled with that question Thursday after European officials outlined plans that would see owners of Greek bonds take a 50 per cent loss on the face value of their holdings.

                        Banks, hedge funds and speculators betting on such a move had bought a net $3.7-billion (U.S.) of credit default swaps, a type of insurance, to protect themselves against the possibility that Greece would not be able to pay its debt.

                        In theory, a CDS is supposed to pay off in the event of a default. In practice, however, determining what constitutes a default can be a contentious issue.

                        The International Swaps and Derivatives Association, an industry group that oversees the CDS market, says the Greek deal probably won’t trigger default clauses in CDS contracts because the 50 per cent “haircut” is voluntary.

                        That view is starting to roil the $25-trillion market for credit default swaps because it calls into question the fundamental reason for purchasing insurance against losses on bonds. If investors can no longer count on being able to hedge against the possibility of a loss, they may start demanding higher yields as compensation for increased risk.

                        “I would think [such a ruling by the ISDA] would be quite a negative for the market,” said Lawrence Chin, director of research at the Cundill division of Mackenzie Financial. “You could get hit on the debt, but you don’t get the insurance [payout].”

                        http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/...#ixzz1c65RgcnH

                        from Bloomberg:

                        If it’s accepted, “the 50 percent nominal haircut on the proposed bond exchange would be viewed by the agency as a default event under its Distressed Debt Exchange criteria,” Fitch said in a statement today. The accord is “ a necessary step to put the Greek sovereign’s public finances on a more sustainable footing.”
                        from the WSJ:

                        A vast market in which banks, hedge funds and investors trade insurance against debt defaults got a jolt Thursday, sparking worries of new strains in the global financial system.

                        Under the broad deal reached this week to stem the euro-zone's financial crisis, holders of credit-default swaps on Greek government bonds aren't expected to receive any payout, even though a preliminary agreement between financial institutions and European policy makers would recognize just half the face value of some Greek debt.

                        The decision not to trigger the swaps raises questions about the value of the insurance-like contracts and exposes the limitations of the hedging strategies that banks and investors have come to rely on. The swaps are widely used by bondholders and major banks to defuse a wide range of risks, and by traders to bet on market trends. If the swaps don't pay out when bonds default, banks and funds that bought the insurance may face losses they thought they had hedged.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: EU Bailout

                          It's hard to feel sympathy with the CDS holders. With a bit more imagination they could have created a swap that would pay out if governments intervened to "persuade" bond-holders to accept a write-off. GFVWS - Government Faciltated "Voluntary" Writedown Swap.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: EU Bailout

                            A default is not a default when voluntary is actually voluntary.

                            If you agree to write your loss off, you don't go and collect insurance on it. Otherwise you're obviously not writing off your loss. So EU banks at the table got to negotiate a 50% write down because they also got to negotiate a bailout fund so they don't really have to write off their "voluntary" losses. Its good to be Too Big to Fail isn't it

                            As for the $25Trillion CDS market that was not invited to the table? Well they've just been told to eat cake. Now how that's going to go over is the TEOTWAWKI question isn't it. if the ISDA say voluntary is not a default, a $25Trillion market will be nullified in the minds of all those investors that disagree. If ISDA say it is a default, well hmm, I guess we get to see just how useful that EFSF really is.

                            The EU block heads should have spent less time arguing about how "I get mine" and more time looking into the effects of playing tough guy with a market that is much larger than the entirety of the EU.

                            Europe: Nice place to visit, wouldn't want to live there. But it was fun while it lasted.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: EU Bailout

                              Germany's highest court has issued a temporary injunction banning the work of a new panel convened by the country's parliament to quickly green-light decisions on disbursement of taxpayer funds through the euro bailout program. The decision could lead to further delays in German decision-making in efforts to rescue the beleaguered common currency.

                              Germany's Federal Constitutional Court on Friday expressed doubts about the legality of a new panel of lawmakers set up by the German parliament to reach quick decisions on the release of funds from the euro bailout mechanism, the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF). The court issued a temporary injunction banning the nine-person committee in the Bundestag from taking any decisions on the EFSF's deployment of German taxpayer money.

                              The special committee was recently created in order to be able to provide a quick green light for EFSF aid in especially urgent situations in which it wouldn't be feasible to put the issue up for a vote before the full parliament. The decision from the court, located in Karlsruhe, could also slow down Bundestag approval of the further application of German credit guarantees within the scope of the euro backstop fund.
                              http://www.spiegel.de/international/...794578,00.html

                              This deal isn't going anywhere.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X