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    This is one of the best articles I have seen that "explains" things in an understandable format.


    http://www.businessinsider.com/what-...t-2011-10?op=1

    The "Occupy Wall Street" protests are gaining momentum, having spread from a small park in New York to marches to other cities across the country.
    So far, the protests seem fueled by a collective sense that things in our economy are not fair or right. But the protesters have not done a good job of focusing their complaints—and thus have been skewered as malcontents who don't know what they stand for or want.
    (An early list of "grievances" included some legitimate beefs, but was otherwise just a vague attack on "corporations." Given that these are the same corporations that employ more than 100 million Americans and make the products we all use every day, this broadside did not resonate with most Americans).
    So, what are the protesters so upset about, really?
    Do they have legitimate gripes?
    To answer the latter question first, yes, they have very legitimate gripes.
    And if America cannot figure out a way to address these gripes, the country will likely become increasingly "de-stabilized," as sociologists might say. And in that scenario, the current protests will likely be only the beginning.
    The problem in a nutshell is this: Inequality in this country has hit a level that has been seen only once in the nation's history—at the end of the 1920s--and unemployment has reached a level that has been seen only once since the Great Depression. And corporate profits are at a record high.
    In other words, in the never-ending tug-of-war between "labor" and "capital," there has rarely—if ever—been a time when "capital" was so clearly winning.

    Let's start with the obvious: Unemployment. Three years after the financial crisis, the unemployment rate is still at the highest level since the Great Depression (except for a brief blip in the early 1980s)


    Image: St. Louis Fed

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    Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

    From the comments section, featuring the Footsoldiers for FIRE:

    spiff on Oct 12, 10:47 AM said: @belogical: Corporate America did not infiltrate the government. The government infiltrated corporate America. If your legislators are crooked, blame your legislators.

    That must be what all that lobbying money is for! Please Mr. Senator, I'm begging you to take this check and agree to stop "infiltrating" my company.

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      Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

      Originally posted by babbittd View Post
      From the comments section, featuring the Footsoldiers for FIRE:

      spiff on Oct 12, 10:47 AM said: @belogical: Corporate America did not infiltrate the government. The government infiltrated corporate America. If your legislators are crooked, blame your legislators.

      That must be what all that lobbying money is for! Please Mr. Senator, I'm begging you to take this check and agree to stop "infiltrating" my company.
      The lies are getting thick.

      Obama's now complaining about the greedy banks. These are the same banks he let run the treasury. The same banks that he shoveled money into.



      Now the republican candidates are trying to spare the banks of any blame by blaming the government exclusively.

      Then they try to let the banks off the hook by calling them "job creators" rather than "debt creators."



      The Democrats vilify the private sector then give trillions to the TBTF banks, don't enforce regulations or arrest anyone, etc. etc.

      The Republicans vilify the public sector then give trillions to the TBTF banks, don't enforce regulations or arrest anyone, etc. etc.

      It's a tidy little arrangement:

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        Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

        great graphic

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          Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

          +1.

          A good time for our political cartoonists open their eyes and work for ALL the people.

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            Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

            More graphics:



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              Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

              Originally posted by babbittd View Post
              From the comments section, featuring the Footsoldiers for FIRE:

              spiff on Oct 12, 10:47 AM said: @belogical: Corporate America did not infiltrate the government. The government infiltrated corporate America. If your legislators are crooked, blame your legislators.

              That must be what all that lobbying money is for! Please Mr. Senator, I'm begging you to take this check and agree to stop "infiltrating" my company.
              Well, "infiltration" is a misnomer -- from either side of the argument.

              If someone has the power to destroy you, and you pay them to not destroy you, but to destroy someone else instead, who is really at fault?

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                Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                Take note of the above. Not a single TBTF entity is mentioned in that graphic. Not one.




                Or am I mistaken and Goldman Sachs is now manufacturing Sharpie pens?

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                  Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                  Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                  Well, "infiltration" is a misnomer -- from either side of the argument.

                  If someone has the power to destroy you, and you pay them to not destroy you, but to destroy someone else instead, who is really at fault?
                  Where do you come up with this stuff?

                  This is about ending the policies and practices that lead to Too Big Not to Destroy. You do recall how billions in losses were socialized?


                  I am always amused by so-called 'conservatives' that attempt to equate any attempt to end the situation known as TBTF with all other forms of regulation...

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                    Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                    Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                    This is about ending the policies and practices that lead to Too Big Not to Destroy. You do recall how billions in losses were socialized?
                    That's one view, but I'm also seeing lots of anger focused against the "top 1%" and generic "corporations," with no mention of TBTF / TBNTD.

                    Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                    I am always amused by so-called 'conservatives' that attempt to equate any attempt to end the situation known as TBTF with all other forms of regulation...
                    I've seen a lot more blurring of that line on the Left than from conservatives.

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                      Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                      Yeah, talk about changing the message. This propaganda b.s.

                      The corporation talk there was not about closing businesses.. it was about corporations as persons, but unaccountable under the law. While there are a few idiots in the crowds espousing socialism and anti-capitalism, by and large the message is against Wall Street and crony capitalism. The protesters are anti-government-working-for-corps-ignoring-the-people.

                      But, it is easier to say they are all commie hippies.

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                        Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                        Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                        Take note of the above. Not a single TBTF entity is mentioned in that graphic. Not one.




                        Or am I mistaken and Goldman Sachs is now manufacturing Sharpie pens?
                        I do appreciate sharky and his ability to debate. This just seems over the top, though. I know that there is a holy belief in Ayn Rand here, but do you really think that these people have no cause to be angry?

                        Do you really think that they have no right to express themselves? I would be fine with your comments on the Auckland and Wellington's protests that start this Saturday.

                        But I don't understand where you are coming from with this. Here's what I do wonder though, if you believe in both the US constitution and corporations as you seem to, I don't understand. Of course you have all the rights to post anything to the internet that you want.

                        But here are my questions to you:

                        Sharky, how am I to grant you first amendment rights when you fled this country to find a tax shelter?

                        Are you any different than an illegal immigrant now? Why should you have rights to speak on American matters?

                        It seems to me that Uncle Sam would (and should) be ashamed. I will defend tax paying citizens of my country before I will defend ex-pats with a grudge. I am an American, and one who also believes in the second amendment along with all the rest. I will defend any American (even a hippie) from any outside influence. Especially anyone who doesn't pay into America.

                        I will not have my people tread on by foreigners.

                        This is not to be too personal. I just don't understand how you can get so angry and adversarial to people who are protesting a lack of a perceived obtainable future in a country that you chose to leave. There are good reasons for these protests (see the post above).

                        I'd appreciate it if you refuted the numbers and the graphs rather than stomp all over the people of the United States. (I did not appreciate this when people did it to the tea party either).
                        Last edited by dcarrigg; October 13, 2011, 12:01 AM.

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                          Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                          Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                          I know that there is a holy belief in Ayn Rand here, but do you really think that these people have no cause to be angry?
                          I agree they have cause to be angry. Whether they are angry at the real causes of their problems is the issue.

                          Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                          Do you really think that they have no right to express themselves?
                          Of course they do, as long as they don't violate the rights of others in the process. First amendment, free speech.

                          Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                          Sharky, how am I to grant you first amendment rights when you fled this country to find a tax shelter?
                          I didn't flee the US to find a tax shelter. I am still a US citizen, I still pay US taxes on my worldwide earnings, I still vote in US elections, I still have family and friends who live in the US who I care about.

                          Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                          Are you any different than an illegal immigrant now? Why should you have rights to speak on American matters?
                          Because I'm a born-in-the-US citizen, and still pay US taxes.

                          Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                          I will defend tax paying citizens of my country before I will defend ex-pats with a grudge.
                          Does that mean you'll defend me now?

                          Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                          I just don't understand how you can get so angry and adversarial to people who are protesting a lack of a perceived obtainable future in a country that you chose to leave.
                          I have a dog in this hunt. I'm more aligned with "the 53%":

                          http://the53.tumblr.com/

                          as opposed to "the 99%":

                          http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

                          Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                          I'd appreciate it if you refuted the numbers and the graphs rather than stomp all over the people of the United States.
                          Which numbers and graphs are those?
                          Last edited by Sharky; October 13, 2011, 01:54 AM.

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                            Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                            I smell a rat.

                            http://the53.tumblr.com seems faked.

                            Mike Wilson (the creator) is a shameless promoter of laws to suppress legitimate voting in the name of preventing fraud that doesn't exist.

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                              Re: CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

                              Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                              I have a dog in this hunt. I'm more aligned with "the 53%":

                              http://the53.tumblr.com/

                              as opposed to "the 99%":

                              http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/


                              Which numbers and graphs are those?


                              http://actuallyyourethe47percent.tumblr.com/

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