Wall St protest gaining strengh?

[btattoo]

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and heres another take on whats _really_ happened....

Lektrode, Isn't it clearly collusion between government and corporations that's the problem, as opposed to either/or?

I can't believe this line of thinking: liberal politicians wanted to expand the size of government and it's just an accident that bankers ended up with record profits (as the charts in the above article make clear).

Doesn't it make more sense to say that so-called liberal politicians, along with conservatives, were co-opted by FIRE?

[dcarrigg]

Re: Wall St protest - Kobi Skolnick - Is he the leader or Marc Goban

If this really were an ACORN manifested Obama reelection campaign funded by Bill Ayers or something, then why are there protests scheduled in Toronto, Tokyo, Frankfurt, London etc. etc.? There was no Tea-Party in Toronto. This is something different.

And now it is prepped to go worldwide Saturday.

[lektrode]

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Lektrode, Isn't it clearly collusion between government and corporations that's the problem, as opposed to either/or?

I can't believe this line of thinking: liberal politicians wanted to expand the size of government and it's just an accident that bankers ended up with record profits (as the charts in the above article make clear).

Doesn't it make more sense to say that so-called liberal politicians, along with conservatives, were co-opted by FIRE?

would have to agree with this, yes.
i'm just putting em up when eye find em.
also think that they (the occupiers) need to sharpen/focus the message, as i have already observed that the bullhorn has 'gone into overtime' in an effort to make em look like a group of 'wanna-be 60's-hippy-types' protesting the usual lefty POV vs addressing the REAL issue of FIRE hijacking the .gov

[dcarrigg]

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would have to agree with this, yes.
i'm just putting em up when eye find em.
also think that they (the occupiers) need to sharpen/focus the message, as i have already observed that the bullhorn has 'gone into overtime' in an effort to make em look like a group of 'wanna-be 60's-hippy-types' protesting the usual lefty POV vs addressing the REAL issue of FIRE hijacking the .gov

Matt Taibbi's take (and I've been waiting for it):

...No matter what, I'll be supporting Occupy Wall Street. And I think the movement's basic strategy – to build numbers and stay in the fight, rather than tying itself to any particular set of principles – makes a lot of sense early on. But the time is rapidly approaching when the movement is going to have to offer concrete solutions to the problems posed by Wall Street. To do that, it will need a short but powerful list of demands. There are thousands one could make, but I'd suggest focusing on five:

1. Break up the monopolies. The so-called "Too Big to Fail" financial companies – now sometimes called by the more accurate term "Systemically Dangerous Institutions" – are a direct threat to national security. They are above the law and above market consequence, making them more dangerous and unaccountable than a thousand mafias combined. There are about 20 such firms in America, and they need to be dismantled; a good start would be to repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and mandate the separation of insurance companies, investment banks and commercial banks.

2. Pay for your own bailouts. A tax of 0.1 percent on all trades of stocks and bonds and a 0.01 percent tax on all trades of derivatives would generate enough revenue to pay us back for the bailouts, and still have plenty left over to fight the deficits the banks claim to be so worried about. It would also deter the endless chase for instant profits through computerized insider-trading schemes like High Frequency Trading, and force Wall Street to go back to the job it's supposed to be doing, i.e., making sober investments in job-creating businesses and watching them grow.

3. No public money for private lobbying. A company that receives a public bailout should not be allowed to use the taxpayer's own money to lobby against him. You can either suck on the public teat or influence the next presidential race, but you can't do both. Butt out for once and let the people choose the next president and Congress.

4. Tax hedge-fund gamblers. For starters, we need an immediate repeal of the preposterous and indefensible carried-interest tax break, which allows hedge-fund titans like Stevie Cohen and John Paulson to pay taxes of only 15 percent on their billions in gambling income, while ordinary Americans pay twice that for teaching kids and putting out fires. I defy any politician to stand up and defend that loophole during an election year.

5. Change the way bankers get paid. We need new laws preventing Wall Street executives from getting bonuses upfront for deals that might blow up in all of our faces later. It should be: You make a deal today, you get company stock you can redeem two or three years from now. That forces everyone to be invested in his own company's long-term health – no more Joe Cassanos pocketing multimillion-dollar bonuses for destroying the AIGs of the world.

To quote the immortal political philosopher Matt Damon from Rounders, "The key to No Limit poker is to put a man to a decision for all his chips." The only reason the Lloyd Blankfeins and Jamie Dimons of the world survive is that they're never forced, by the media or anyone else, to put all their cards on the table. If Occupy Wall Street can do that – if it can speak to the millions of people the banks have driven into foreclosure and joblessness – it has a chance to build a massive grassroots movement. All it has to do is light a match in the right place, and the overwhelming public support for real reform – not later, but right now – will be there in an instant.

[lektrode]

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atta boy dc! - nice find - have to go cut wirez/turn screwz - more later

[flintlock]

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This guy is still falling into the Left vs Right trap. Yeah right, its just the conservative media who misleads and distorts.

[flintlock]

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Lektrode, Isn't it clearly collusion between government and corporations that's the problem, as opposed to either/or?

I can't believe this line of thinking: liberal politicians wanted to expand the size of government and it's just an accident that bankers ended up with record profits (as the charts in the above article make clear).

Doesn't it make more sense to say that so-called liberal politicians, along with conservatives, were co-opted by FIRE?

Exactly. Why does everything have to be an either/or situation? Obviously it takes two to tango. The sooner we get out of this white hat/black hat, over-simplistic view of life sold to us by Hollywood, the better. It is possible to have a multitude of causes. Corporations have bought out our government sure, but it takes politicians who are buyable. All parties involved know exactly what they are doing and things are going along according to plan.

History rhymes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt

The revolt later came to be seen as a mark of the beginning of the end of serfdom in medieval England, although the revolt itself was a failure. It increased awareness in the upper classes of the need for the reform of feudalism in England and the appalling misery felt by the lower classes as a result of their enforced near-slavery.

[lektrode]

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PRECISELY!
without the political class enabling the FIREmen, just how would any of this have occurred?
the members of congress HAVE SOLD THE REST OF US OUT!

in other news...
it occurs to me that the occupiers are getting 'fractionated' (or maybe factionalized) and 'the message' is beginning to get muddled, running the risk of the movement being misdirected/misconstrued as just another bunch of 'malcontents' protesting the same ole same ole bunch of 'grievances' they been protesting since the 60's? when they need to stay on/get-on the message that its THE GOV BEING HIJACKED BY THE FIRE-economy - i wonder if its possible that some of them might be directed toward reading some of EJ's fine works ??? (it did wonders for my finally understanding what the REAL issues are) because anybody who has both seen INSIDE JOB and reads whats on this site couldnt help but be Pissed Off and for the correct reasons, n'est-ce pas?

[Thailandnotes]

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Nouriel Roubini: I stopped by. My view of it is that it is a symptom of the economic malaise that we're facing not just in the United States, but all over the world. It started with the Arab Spring, and of course, poverty, unemployment, corruption, inequality eventually leads to people becoming restless. But now, you have middle-class people in Israel saying we cannot afford homes; you have middle-class students in Chile saying we don't have education; you have riots in London; people smashing Mercedes and BMWs of fat cats in Berlin and Frankfurt; you have an anti-corruption movement in India. It takes a lot of different manifestations, but we live in a world with a lot of economic insecurity, of worries about the future, of inequality, poverty, of concerns about jobs. And [Occupy Wall Street] is the manifestation in the U.S.

In 2009, [President Barack] Obama told the bankers, "I'm the only one who's standing between you and the pitchforks." The bankers got the bailouts; they were supposed to extend credit, extend mortgages. They did pretty much nothing, and they went back to the same actions as before: making money through trading. At this point, I think people are fed up with it. Rightly or wrongly, there's a huge amount of anger.

…The U.S. might not be Europe, but the U.S. is not used to having an unemployment rate so high -- and staying so high. Usually, when you get a recession the monetary and fiscal stimulus leads to a recovery of jobs in short order. But this is becoming chronic and longer term. Either the United States becomes like Europe -- and we've already extended unemployment benefits three or four times over -- or otherwise you have a much bigger social welfare state and safety net. Or you'll have people rioting in the streets. We have to do something either way. Either we'll have a fiscal problem or a social problem.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...=yes&page=full

[Thailandnotes]

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and heres another take on whats _really_ happened....

This article is 9-tenths BS

Any quick read on how MERS was created and the discussions acknowledging how it would never hold up in court, having no proprietory interest in the mortgages it was "tracking" shows that the banking industry deserves the bulk of the blame. Were the GSE's led by wall street pigs who had waddled through the revolving door partners in crime? No doubt.

[reggie]

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Nouriel Roubini: I stopped by. My view of it is that it is a symptom of the economic malaise that we're facing not just in the United States, but all over the world. It started with the Arab Spring, and of course, poverty, unemployment, corruption, inequality eventually leads to people becoming restless. But now, you have middle-class people in Israel saying we cannot afford homes; you have middle-class students in Chile saying we don't have education; you have riots in London; people smashing Mercedes and BMWs of fat cats in Berlin and Frankfurt; you have an anti-corruption movement in India. It takes a lot of different manifestations, but we live in a world with a lot of economic insecurity, of worries about the future, of inequality, poverty, of concerns about jobs. And [Occupy Wall Street] is the manifestation in the U.S

Roubini is merely spinning the approved anti-system narrative of system controlled soft power.


'Occupy Wall Street' et al is the work of the CENTER FOR APPLIED NONVIOLENT ACTION AND STRATEGIES [C.A.N.V.A.S] in Belgrade (office is nicknamed 'Revolution University') and it's field operative organiser company. These Serbian based NGO's are underwritten by CARNEGIE COUNCIL. Just check out who Carnagie's trustee's are:

http://www.carnegiecouncil.org/about...ees/index.html

From the video's comments...

Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in advance?

Revolution consultants are the worst nightmare of every regime. Srdja Popovic was a founder of the organisation 'Otpor', a revolution training school. It was instrumental in the overthrow of Slobodan Milosevic in the 1990s and has now inspired a new generation of activists. Political commentators like William Engdahl are convinced Otpor is being financed by the USA. "The people from Otpor gave us a book in which they described all their strategies", says Ezzedine Zaatour of the Tunisian uprising. That book was written by an American, Gene Sharp, and is now considered the "revolution guide book", being used by opposition movements worldwide. As Optor release their latest gadget, a resistance training computer game sponsored by American organisations, world leaders are voicing their concerns. "This is called a gentle coup!", insists Hugo Chavez.

The best way to control the opposition is to lead? it ourselves.

- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[Thailandnotes]

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are you joking or not?

[dcarrigg]

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Roubini is merely spinning the approved anti-system narrative of system controlled soft power.


'Occupy Wall Street' et al is the work of the CENTER FOR APPLIED NONVIOLENT ACTION AND STRATEGIES [C.A.N.V.A.S] in Belgrade (office is nicknamed 'Revolution University') and it's field operative organiser company. These Serbian based NGO's are underwritten by CARNEGIE COUNCIL. Just check out who Carnagie's trustee's are:

http://www.carnegiecouncil.org/about...ees/index.html

From the video's comments...



The best way to control the opposition is to lead? it ourselves.

- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

I've been supporting the general message of the protests, and I don't speak Serbian. They can barely eat in Belgrade, never mind organize a world revolution.

Their per capita GDP at PPP is $6,267. Do you really think they're the illuminati?

[Thailandnotes]

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Bloomberg briefly visited the park last night, and his office later released a statement declaring, “As the protest has continued, Brookfield has expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain it in a condition fit for public use. Brookfield conveyed these concerns in a letter they sent to the City.”

It continues: “The cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to the areas that have been cleaned, provided they abide by the rules that Brookfield has established for the park.”

Emphasis added. One of the big questions here is what exactly those rules are, how they will be enforced, and by whom; I’ve asked Brookfield for comment on its rules and will update if I hear back.

The letter from Brookfield to the city, which I’ve posted below, argues that “conditions at the park have deteriorated to unsanitary and unsafe conditions” and requests “the assistance of the New York City Police Department to help clear the park” for inspection and cleaning.” The letter then continues, ambiguously:

Once we have completed our cleanup and maintenance, we would ask that the Department assist Brookfield on an ongoing basis to ensure the safety of all those using and enjoying the park.

That line could be interpreted as a request to permanently evict the occupiers. The letter also claims that having mattresses and sleeping bags in the park violates Brookfield’s rules. So the city’s pledge that protesters will be able to return — but only if they follow Brookfield’s rules — could be interpreted as a de facto eviction announcement.

Also worth remembering here: Bloomberg’s longtime girlfriend, Diana Taylor, sits on the board of Brookfield.

http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/13...ith_occupiers/

[reggie]

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I've been supporting the general message of the protests, and I don't speak Serbian. They can barely eat in Belgrade, never mind organize a world revolution.

Their per capita GDP at PPP is $6,267. Do you really think they're the illuminati?

The point is that the protests and the orgranzations behind them have been developed, organized, and funded by the same institutional interests that are behind the tremendous wealth transfer we've experienced in the last several years.

Finally, don't pull the "illuminati" bullshit on me, it's embarrassing to you. Do you know nothing of history? The techniques we are witnessing are extremely old, and it's quite unbelievable that so many are still unable to see the "techniques" (see Jacques Ellul) being employed.