neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

[dlew22]

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/Press.../PR19.11E.html


Implications?

I remember reading some work from a late scientist from Califonia who was writing about the seti program ect. He was stating all his problems with the status quo, something people at this site I think can relate to. He was discussing how he believed that Gravity moved faster than light....

I seem to have lost the link, anyone remember coming across anything on this topic?

[Techdread]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

First guess if true, it will confirm what most physicsts in their hearts know the Standard Model is just an approximation.

This and the no show of the Higgs boson means a new avenue for the theory of everything will have to be sought.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ysics-history/

[mfyahya]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Here's a good tutorial on FTL http://andersoninstitute.com/faster-...ht-travel.html

[sgominator]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Implications?

Goldman Sachs will be the first firm to own a neutrino based trading platform to anticipate market moves by 20ns

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Goldman Sachs will be the first firm to own a neutrino based trading platform to anticipate market moves by 20ns

LOL! I just spit coffee on my desk.

[Adeptus]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Goldman Sachs will be the first firm to own a neutrino based trading platform to anticipate market moves by 20ns

ZH story from 2 days ago...
"It's official, HFT beaks speed light barrier, sets trading speed world record!" (190ms into the future)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-of...d-world-record

[c1ue]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

I'd say hold off for a few months - the CERN scientists are doing the right thing by asking for independent confirmation.

[mmr]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Next up: Bernanke's quantum printing press. Just think what the Fed could do if the same dollar could be in two places at once.

[ASH]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Back in 1987, we measured the time delay between the neutrino pulse from supernova 1987A and the corresponding light flash. SN1987A was about 168,000 light-years away from earth, so a 20 ppm difference in velocity would result in a difference in arrival time of a bit more than 3 years. Instead, the neutrino burst was observed about 3 hours before the optical signal, and the difference in time is attributable to the fact that neutrinos can get out of a collapsing stellar core faster than other forms of energy. So, if this result is real, it doesn't apply to average neutrino velocity over long distances. The CERN experiment was over a distance of 730 km, so a key question would be whether there is some short-range effect that hadn't been previously noticed. Another way to look at it is that it's easier to measure a difference in speed by timing travel over a long distance, so the recent CERN experiment is more subject to experimental error, notwithstanding the care the CERN scientists took to rule this out.

[seanm123]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Do you mean we can't send Marty back to warn Doc?

Funding a concern again?

CERN fired up the LHC "early" in late 2008 and broke it and needed lots of more funding. Now here we are again in the middle
of a financial crisis and they need to justify their existence just like everybody else.

We will find out in three years from now that their Nutrino detectors were defective becuase they were not made in China and they need another few billion for better ones.

Wake me up when I can go back to 1985.

[ASH]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Wake me up when I can go back to 1985.

Back to 1985? You're there already, assuming you are older than 26.

[Fiat Currency]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Back to 1985? You're there already, assuming you are older than 26.

Did I miss interest rates hitting 10% somewhere ?

[ASH]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

Did I miss interest rates hitting 10% somewhere ?

In, like, India?

[lektrode]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

old news:
http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...08745#poststop

143%
WHEE!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GGGB1YR:IND

[seanm123]

Re: neutrinos travel at a velocity 20 parts per million above the speed of light

1985 was the year I recieved my drivers permit, had a great gig as a high school student who excelled at learning, then fell into a derivative and learned the meaning of mathematical fallacy. I was on the football team, played in a band and had my heart broken by one of the prettiest and petty girls I have ever met. It was in reality one of the best yet worst of times, and for which if I could ever go back to 1985 the only thing I would change would be my reception record when I dropped one in the end zone.


Neutrinos are just a scratch on the surface of particle physics, but will the politicians set us forward or back to the future on funding?