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  • 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

    interesting op/ed over at ZH by Graham Summers - dont know of him (or _his_ trackrecord, metalman ;), but what he's saying is that 'game over' could be tomorrow?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...al-banks-bluff

    If anyone thinks that the world’s central banks can somehow solve the Crisis, they need to consider the following news story:

    Dollar Funding Costs Rise As Central Banks' Plan Seen Inadequate



    European banks are finding dollars an expensive commodity once again, as the afterglow fades from a coordinated central bank plan to improve liquidity.



    Swapping euros for dollars now costs about as much as it did before the European Central Bank said Thursday it would work with counterparts in the U.S., Europe and Japan to provide dollars for banks struggling to access U.S. currency. The three-month ...



    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...19-708511.html


    The ECB, Fed, Bank of Japan, Bank of England, and Bank of Switzerland staged a coordinated intervention only last week. Already the net benefit of their moves has been erased for the very institutions they were trying to help.

    And while the S&P 500 is up 2%...
    Belgian Bank and French banks have wiped out ALL of their intervention gains
    The same goes for German banks


    Folks, if a coordinated intervention on the part of FIVE central banks can’t even give us one week of gains in the European banks… nor lower the cost of Dollar swaps… then we’re in the absolute END GAME for central bank intervention.

    Remember, this was not just a single money pump from the Fed. This was FIVE central banks working together. And they couldn’t even paper over the European banking system’s problems for ONE WEEK.

    The mainstream financial media is out claiming that the reason we’ve already undone the gains produced by the intervention was because the central banks didn’t do enough. It’s interesting that having spent more money than WWI WWII and the New Deal combined central banks are still thought to not be doing enough. Never does anyone ask… “maybe the central banks can’t fix this mess?”

    Let’s be blunt here. The Fed and pals just pasted a HUGE multi-trillion dollar band-aid over the system in 2008. They didn’t fix anything. The fact they’re now losing control of the system again and we’re fast approaching the next “Lehman” event should be proof positive that central banks have NO idea how to get us out of this mess.

    I fully believe we could be on the verge of another 2008 episode. It’s clear Europe’s banking system is staring into the abyss. The US is not far behind either.
    and he concludes in S/P mode (shameless plug) for his advisory service


    comments?

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    Re: 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

    Originally posted by lektrode View Post
    interesting op/ed over at ZH by Graham Summers - dont know of him (or _his_ trackrecord, metalman ;), but what he's saying is that 'game over' could be tomorrow?



    and he concludes in S/P mode (shameless plug) for his advisory service


    comments?
    ya really wand me to go back & count exactly how many times zh guys said 'game over' could be tomorrow?

    interesting business model... get a dozen guys to take turns predicting every day that the market will crash tomorrow.

    never return to any of the 273648 false predictions to pick them apart & learn anything from the mistake.

    think i'll start a site like that...

    predict, fail.
    predict, fail.
    predict, fail.
    predict, fail.
    predict, fail.
    predict, fail.
    predict, fail.
    predict, fail.
    predict, correct.

    see i was right! i knew it! i'm a genius!

    only works if i van get 3783643893 dupes to go along with it.

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    • #3
      Re: 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

      agreed. ZeroHedge has it's own website URL for a reason.

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      • #4
        Re: 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

        I agree with metalman on this one, ZH is notorious for writing a few stories a week with back references linked to some previous story saying basically "see, we predicted the outcome of this X event weeks ago". I haven't attempted to guess how many predictions are right and how many are wrong, but I'd easily agree they are wrong more often than right, and with them, the end of the financial world is always around the corner, some time several times in the same day, multiple days in a row for 10 different reasons. If you need an adrenaline rush, click refresh on there. It's almost better than caffeine.

        The problem with their approach is actually worse on other fronts too:
        1) Since there are at least a dozen (maybe 2 dozen+) "TylerS" writting stories weekly, it's impossible to know who wrote what. I'm all for anonymity, but hey at least get separate fake alias names so we can follow the ones we decide are worth following, because they do have a lot of good stories too, so some of the Tylers definitely deserve credit.
        2) A few times a week, you can usually catch one Tyler breaking a story that says the market will do A because of X event, and often in the same day or next day another one will write in saying the market will do B due to the same X event. This makes it very easy to later come back and say... see I ("Tyler") predicted this would happen. When you bet on every possible outcome, it's impossible not to be right once.
        3) Further, it's impossible to even attempt to follow any one of their anonymous writers to identify who is a good predictor and who is not since they all write under the same alias (kind of like our 'FRED', but on super steroids).
        4) Or for that matter, who has a track record for breaking good stories, and who just goofs around posting one or two liner mostly useless "stories" about some random picture.
        5) And don't even get me started on 90% of their user comments on every single story. Talk about waste of time, unless you really need a good laugh (they are pretty damn funny sometimes)

        Now, having said all this, I think ZH is in my top 5 favorite finance sites to read daily (often several times a day), and I highly recommend it, because they are often first to break real news (if you can separate the wheat from the chaff), already with all the mainstream spin clearly identified and rightly ridiculed, and with one heck of a kick ass (and twisted) sense of humour. They also deserve huge credit for posting so many great short stories each day, especially when large market events occur. I'm not aware of any other alternative finance news website out there that comes anywhere near what ZH has accomplished. The only other that comes to mind is www.dollarcollapse.com and even these guys (possibly 1 guy) are a very very distant second to ZH. Sometimes I think ZH is faster than Reuters! So despite my above beefs about the site, I actually really love ZH; one does however, have to apply several mental filters when reading that site.



        Originally posted by metalman View Post
        ya really wand me to go back & count exactly how many times zh guys said 'game over' could be tomorrow?
        interesting business model... get a dozen guys to take turns predicting every day that the market will crash tomorrow.
        never return to any of the 273648 false predictions to pick them apart & learn anything from the mistake.
        think i'll start a site like that...
        predict, fail.
        predict, fail.
        predict, fail.
        predict, fail.
        predict, fail.
        predict, fail.
        predict, fail.
        predict, fail.
        predict, correct.
        see i was right! i knew it! i'm a genius!
        only works if i van get 3783643893 dupes to go along with it.
        Last edited by Adeptus; September 20, 2011, 06:56 PM.
        Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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        • #5
          Re: 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

          Originally posted by Adeptus View Post
          ... having said all this, I think ZH is in my top 5 favorite finance sites to read daily
          So what are the other four??
          If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

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          • #6
            Re: 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

            Sounds like the Wall Street model inverted for like forever but especially since 1981. Market goes up: happy days are here again. Market goes down: great time to buy. Metric worshipers and hooligans are what is left of our financial system. Any narrative trying to describe the situation sounds like doomer and any prediction must be negative if globally intellectually consistent in high risk environment. Any positive narrative sounds like John Edwards channeling the dead. "I am thinking of a stock. Begins with a B. Anybody here own a stock the begins with a B? I have some analysis that it is going to go up." Predictions are coffee shop fodder or parlor tricks. Risk/reward assessment is a different story but that is what "capitalism" used to be about. No more.

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            • #7
              Re: 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

              Originally posted by Ellen Z View Post
              So what are the other four??
              Obviously iTulip occupies a top spot there. I often like to see the Mish headlines, although I don't buy his deflationary unwritten thesis. The others, I suppose depends on what the markets are doing.

              For breaking news:
              - www.marketwatch.com
              - www.bloomberg.com (also bloomberg TV sometimes)
              - www.reuters.com

              For PM / Macro-Econ Podcasts:
              - http://mcalvanyweeklycommentary.com/category/podcasts/
              - http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwor...Broadcast.html
              - http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour
              - http://radio.goldseek.com/nuggets.php

              For daily General market Performance graphics/charts
              - http://finviz.com/
              - http://stockcharts.com/
              - http://www.bespokeinvest.com/

              For Canadian Financial News:
              - http://www.financialpost.com/
              - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/

              US Financial News:
              - http://online.wsj.com/home-page
              - http://www.nytimes.com/pages/business/index.html

              British, Portuguese, Indian news (in order)
              - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/
              - http://www.dn.pt/inicio/economia/
              - http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/sid311.aspx

              Somewhat Contrarian sites:
              - http://www.financialsense.com/editor...t-observations
              - http://www.prudentbear.com/
              - http://www.minyanville.com/
              - http://seekingalpha.com/

              PM related sites:
              PM breaking News: http://www.kitco.com/ (and delayed charts)
              PM and other finance daily news summary: www.dollarcollapse.com
              Miner Picks: https://www.kitcomm.com/showthread.php?t=68585
              Comex analysis: http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/
              PM TA analysis: http://traderdannorcini.blogspot.com/
              PM TA analysis: http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/
              PM TA analysis: http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
              PM TA analysis: http://tinyurl.com/IraEpstein (daily videos)
              Quick Gold Delayed Charts in Multiple currencies: http://www.kitconet.com/webcharts/au_en_cad.html
              Quick Silver Delayed Charts in Multiple currencies: http://www.kitconet.com/webcharts/ag_en_cad.html
              Gold/Silver Lease Rates and many other charts: http://www.kitco.com/charts/s_leaserates.html

              Free real time Charting:
              http://netdania.com/Products/live-st...anceChart.aspx
              http://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/live-charts/

              Breaking Tech news:
              http://techcrunch.com/
              http://mashable.com/
              www.slashdot.org
              http://www.readwriteweb.com/
              http://news.ycombinator.com/
              http://www.engadget.com/

              MISC:
              Oil analysis: http://www.theoildrum.com/
              Middle East Rumours: http://www.debka.com/
              US IPO Calendar: http://www.hoovers.com/ipo-central/i...0004161-1.html
              The Global Revolution, Live Video Stream: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
              TheRealNews: http://therealnews.com/
              Democracy Now: http://www.democracynow.com/



              Ok, now my turn to ask... did I miss anything important? :-)
              Last edited by Adeptus; September 22, 2011, 03:00 AM.
              Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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              • #8
                Re: 2morow: markets call bluff, central banks have failed?

                Originally posted by Adeptus View Post

                Ok, now my turn to ask... did I miss anything important? :-)
                A near perfect list, but for one important omission:

                http://icanhascheezburger.com/tag/caption/

                ;-)

                Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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