Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

[Mega]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...on-record.html
Ha Ha Ha!
Mike

[Mega]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

Yes, its coming 4 ya!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...78C7UQ20110914

[Starving Steve]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

Note the pot-head gobblygook: "Improving the efficiency of the electric grid...".

How do you "improve the efficiency of the electric grid" without producing more electricity? So that pot-head (vague) goobly-gook implies doing nothing to produce more electricity>>>>> which implies "smart meters", and that gobbly-gook implies:

Your new "smart electric-meter" would force you to wash clothes at 2AM and cook supper at 10 PM. Your breakfast might have to be before 4 AM, with breakfast dishes washed before 5 AM. Your lunch would have to be at 3 PM.... Over all, your so-called "smart meter" would increase your electric bill, or make life impossible, or both.

Another part of this pot-head thinking is that you might spend thousands of dollars (pounds, euros, or whatever) to install a windmill or install a solar panel, and your electric bill might be reduced by one-cent per day >>>> technically, "improving the efficiency of the electric grid".

This pot-head thinking communicated in vague buzz-words and meaningless buzz-phrases is what passes for energy-planning and city-planning these days.

Feel the pain? Just wait until your new "smart meter" is installed....

[lektrode]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

oh come on mr steve - surely even you must believe that lots of elec power is wasted?
have no data to back this up, but i'll wager 10-20% could be captured thru various incremental efficiency increases
hell just changing out all the incandescent lightbulbs to CFLs would cut that drain by upwards of 75%
never mind what getting rid of electric-resistance room and water heating could do...

[Starving Steve]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

oh come on mr steve - surely even you must believe that lots of elec power is wasted?
have no data to back this up, but i'll wager 10-20% could be captured thru various incremental efficiency increases
hell just changing out all the incandescent lightbulbs to CFLs would cut that drain by upwards of 75%
never mind what getting rid of electric-resistance room and water heating could do...

If one lived in a sub-tropical desert that has clear sky most of the time during the daylight hours, then a passive solar water-heater would make economic sense. At a high latitude, a passive solar home would make sense, especially with thermal drapes to block out-bound long-wave (heat) radiation from leaving the house during the night. Compact florescent or the new bead lights make economic sense in the interior of the house to reduce electrical consumption. As for space heating, wood-stoves work the best, especially with a ceiling fan to blow the warm air around the house. Baseboard electric-heaters are too expensive and too inefficient to operate. Electric water heaters are expensive to operate, but the cost of operation can be substantially reduced with a water heater blanket, especially a foam blanket wrapping the entire water-heater.

But the electric companies want "smart" meters to be installed. That is their little game, for profit. They can hike electric rates during the times of day of peak demand. And of course, the electric companies would then have to install fewer power-generation plants, thus making the electric companies more efficient and more profitable.

[lektrode]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

....But the electric companies want "smart" meters to be installed. That is their little game, for profit. They can hike electric rates during the times of day of peak demand. And of course, the electric companies would then have to install fewer power-generation plants, thus making the electric companies more efficient and more profitable.

eye look at it this way: if TOD metering goes into effect and they price peaktime usage high enuf, then solarPV, with battery backup starts to get to be an even _better_ deal than it already is - well... could be, even for its detractors

even without the PV, simply batteries and an inverter would begin to make sense: rates peak, drop the grid; offpeak: back on the grid, recharge

the wildcard of course being the cost of the batteries, with the cost of PV now dropping rapidly, its only a matter of time...

and TOD metering will have to happen, if electric cars are ever going to make any sense at all - o/w we'll be building even more power plants and without the nuke option, them things are dead on arrival (for anybody but the curious/trendy with bux to burn) without substantial changes in the whole equation, IMHO.

[Mega]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

Agreed
They drive us to install Battery, then their silly "Bird killers" make sense.
Mike

[Starving Steve]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

Agreed
They drive us to install Battery, then their silly "Bird killers" make sense.
Mike

Windmills ( bird killers ) might make economic sense on the High Plains of North America and maybe even the Great Plains too, also in the North Sea in Europe, Outer-Mongolia in the Gobi Desert, Iceland, Cape Horn, coastal Antarctica, the Falkland Islands, the Southern Ocean, the Aleutian Islands, Greenland, Spitsbergen, the Bering Sea, and a few other areas of the world where wind is always blowing at hurricane velocity. But in 98% of the world windmills are a joke.

[GRG55]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

Windmills ( bird killers ) might make economic sense on the High Plains of North America and maybe even the Great Plains too, also in the North Sea in Europe, Outer-Mongolia in the Gobi Desert, Iceland, Cape Horn, coastal Antarctica, the Falkland Islands, the Southern Ocean, the Aleutian Islands, Greenland, Spitsbergen, the Bering Sea, and a few other areas of the world where wind is always blowing at hurricane velocity. But in 98% of the world windmills are a joke.

I think we should go back to water wheels...

[Starving Steve]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

Because a cubic metre of flowing water contains much more energy than a cubic metre of wind, using water-wheels to generate electric power is very feasible. This is the way the green energy movement should have gone; i.e, toward the construction of small water-wheels along every creek, to produce significant bits of electricity fed into the electric grid.

Note that water-wheels do not need battery back-up. Note that water-flow in creeks is rather dependable, except in droughts. Note that water-wheels do not depend upon high-tech. Anyone, even a child, can build a working water-wheel and attach its axle to a generator.

And you ask me, why I despise the pot-heads? Just look at their accomplishments for the world: a big bunch of NOTHING.

[GRG55]

Re: Feel the Pain LIMEY !!!

Because a cubic metre of flowing water contains much more energy than a cubic metre of wind, using water-wheels to generate electric power is very feasible. This is the way the green energy movement should have gone; i.e, toward the construction of small water-wheels along every creek, to produce significant bits of electricity fed into the electric grid.

Note that water-wheels do not need battery back-up. Note that water-flow in creeks is rather dependable, except in droughts. Note that water-wheels do not depend upon high-tech. Anyone, even a child, can build a working water-wheel and attach its axle to a generator.

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Umm...have you heard of run-of-river power Steve?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-of-...droelectricity

http://www.runofriverpower.com/

But it is not without controversy:

http://www.watershedsentinel.ca/cont...-new-gold-rush

http://www.sierraclub.bc.ca/local-gr...s-bc-gold-rush

And your politicians in B.C. have, once again, made a complete and utter mess of the policy framework around electric power. First they spun off the transmission system from B.C. Hydro to create the B.C. Transmission Corporation. Among other things, this was supposed to create "open access" for all power producers -public and private - to the wires. But instead your government decided it needed a "Clean Energy Act", and so on July 5 of last year the Transmission Corporation was folded back into B.C. Hydro, and now it is Hydro that is obligated to purchase the IPP generated power.

I imagine the investment banks that advised the government first on the breakup of Hydro and then on the re-integration made out like bandits with their fees...