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I made the mistake of not taking the last Hurricane serouisly, so i hope everyone is safe?
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
long as one wasnt planning on planing (the aero kind):Originally posted by Mega View Post
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...522153004.html
- AUGUST 26, 2011, 5:07 P.M. ET
Airlines Cancel Thousands of Flights
U.S. and international airlines started canceling flights to and from New England, New York and Washington on Friday, marking the beginning of what was expected to be a widespread service shutdown along the Eastern seaboard until Hurricane Irene passes.
So far, about 4,000 flights have been canceled through the weekend, but that number is expected to grow as airlines firm up their plans, according to FlightAware.com, a website that tracks flights.
JetBlue Airways Corp. said it would cancel 891 flights in the Northeast from Sunday to Monday, while American Airlines parent AMR Corp. expects as many as 150 flights in the Washington, D.C., area to be called off because it plans to halt operations there for a day, starting at noon on Saturday. Delta Air Lines Inc. plans to cancel about 1,300 total flights from Saturday to Monday, from South Carolina to the Boston area. New York operations will be out on Sunday, said a Delta spokesman.
We're trying not to pull the trigger too quickly, because it's a busy travel time," said American spokesman Tim Smith. "If we can operate safely before the storm arrives, we will try to do so."
British Airways said it was starting to cancel trans-Atlantic flights to the U.S. East Coast, with other overseas carriers set to follow. The U.K. carrier canceled some Sunday flights to the U.S., and is reviewing those due to depart later on Saturday.
Airlines typically start canceling flights 24 hours to 36 hours ahead of a massive storm, but like to wait as long as possible, said Daniel Baker, chief executive of FlightAware.com. "It's really difficult to un-cancel a flight," he said.
JetBlue said it had repositioned close to 50 of its aircraft and crews outside New York and Boston, to areas beyond the expected path of the storms. The Forest Hills, N.Y., discount airline said it would be running extra flights on Saturday night and Monday night to help alleviate any pent-up demand.
U.S. carriers this week have been waiving ticket-change fees for passengers with bookings along the East Coast, Mid-Atlantic and in various Caribbean cities. Some airlines are also waiving any fare differences. Typically, such change fees are $100 or more.
While widespread cancellations can lead to long waits at the airport-ticket counter or on the telephone, airlines in recent years have improved websites to allow for online rebooking.
More than 52,000 flights were canceled last winter season because of heavy snowstorms, costing the airline industry hundreds of millions of dollars. Airline analysts doubt that the financial impact of Hurricane Irene will approach that of the winter storms, unless the airport facilities are heavily damaged.
Unlike the snowstorms, which must be followed by removal and de-icing of the aircraft, "when the rain stops, the airlines can fly almost immediately," said Hunter Keay, an airline analyst for Wolfe Trahan & Co. -
Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
Here in DC it's cloudy, but no rain yet. Irene has already degraded to Category 1, so any major threat is rain and storm surge. So, I'm not expecting much for me, although coastlines will doubtless catch it.Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
Seems that Irene isn't going to be the Katrina it has been touted to be by some of the usual suspect alarmists:
Yes, this means you Bill KcMibben: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62163.html
This (fortunately) looks like another east coast earthquake scare:
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
Funny, but not. My family lives in Louisa and fortunately their house while damaged was not hurt significantly (they built 'em strong 250 years ago). On the other hand, quite a few houses in the area took serious damage -- probably totaling the house.Originally posted by c1ue View PostSeems that Irene isn't going to be the Katrina it has been touted to be by some of the usual suspect alarmists:
Yes, this means you Bill KcMibben: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62163.html
This (fortunately) looks like another east coast earthquake scare:
The unfortunate thing is that most insurance policies don't cover earthquakes. My parents had asked USAA for a "Cadillac" policy -- when they called after the quake, they were told they were not covered because USAA didn't even offer earthquake insurance in Virginia -- it wasn't even considered a possibility. Just about everyone we know in the area is in the same spot.
All that said, I agree with the fact that the media hyped this to the nines as usual. State of Fear.Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
sounds like theres still some 'fear' to come....Originally posted by jpatter666 View Post
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?r...01111&loop=yes
HURRICANE IRENE DISCUSSION NUMBER 30
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL092011
500 PM EDT SAT AUG 27 2011
THE CENTER OF IRENE HAS BEEN MOVING ACROSS EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA
THIS AFTERNOON...AND THE RADAR PRESENTATION OF THE INNER CORE
ACTUALLY IMPROVED FOR A FEW HOURS. SINCE THAT TIME...THE RAGGED
EYE HAS FILLED IN BUT THE CENTER REMAINS WELL DEFINED ON
RADAR...WHICH WARRANTS A RETURN TO TWO-HOURLY INTERMEDIATE
ADVISORIES. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT
REPORTED PEAK FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OF 85-90 KT TO THE EAST OF THE
CENTER DURING THE PAST FEW HOURS...AND A VERY RECENT CENTER DROP
MEASURED A MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 950 MB. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY
RECENT SFMR DATA...BUT BASED ON THE EARLIER SHARP DISCREPANCY
BETWEEN THE FLIGHT-LEVEL AND SURFACE WINDS...THE INITIAL INTENSITY
IS REDUCED TO 70 KT. A SLOW WEAKENING IS EXPECTED AS IRENE MOVES
ALONG THE COAST OF THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES DUE TO LAND
INTERACTION...COLDER WATERS...DRY AIR ENTRAINMENT...AND INCREASING
SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR. BECAUSE THE LARGE WIND FIELD WILL TAKE TIME
TO SPIN DOWN...HOWEVER...IRENE IS STILL EXPECTED TO REACH THE NEW
YORK AREA AT OR NEAR HURRICANE STRENGTH.
MORE SO THAN WITH MOST STORMS...THE WINDS WITH IRENE INCREASE
SHARPLY WITH HEIGHT ABOVE THE SURFACE. AS IRENE MOVES THROUGH
AREAS WITH HIGH-RISE STRUCTURES...THESE STRUCTURES WILL EXPERIENCE
WINDS SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER THAN INDICATED BY THE ADVISORY
INTENSITY. WINDS AT THE 30-STORY LEVEL WILL LIKELY BE 20 PERCENT
HIGHER THAN AT THE SURFACE...AND WINDS 80-100 STORIES UP COULD BE
ABOUT 30 PERCENT HIGHER THAN AT THE SURFACE.
THE CENTER CONTINUED NORTHWARD FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AFTER THE
RELEASE OF THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY BUT HAS RESUMED A NORTHEASTWARD
MOTION OF ABOUT 015/11. IRENE IS FORECAST TO MOVE NORTH-
NORTHEASTWARD ALONG THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST TONIGHT AND OVER NEW
ENGLAND ON SUNDAY. AFTER THE CYCLONE BECOMES EXTRATROPICAL IN 36-48
HOURS IT SHOULD TURN NORTHEASTWARD THEN EAST-NORTHEASTWARD IN THE
MID-LATITUDE WESTERLIES. THE NEW TRACK FORECAST IS UNCHANGED FROM
THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY.
NOTE THAT ESTIMATES OF STORM TOTAL RAINFALL HAVE BEEN INCREASED WITH
THIS ADVISORY...TO 20 INCHES.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INIT 27/2100Z 36.2N 76.0W 70 KT 80 MPH
12H 28/0600Z 38.1N 75.1W 65 KT 75 MPH
24H 28/1800Z 41.7N 73.2W 60 KT 70 MPH...INLAND
36H 29/0600Z 46.2N 70.2W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
48H 29/1800Z 50.7N 66.3W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 30/1800Z 56.5N 53.5W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 31/1800Z 59.0N 37.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H 01/1800Z 61.0N 26.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
It's been raining in NJ for a few hours, but no high winds yet. We're 20 minutes from the shore, so I'm not too worried, except recent heavy rains have exacerbated some erosion & drainage problems.
We were supposed to be in the Outer Banks on vacation starting today. If we get some sign that they're reopening to tourists, we'll try to start down Sunday night or Monday after it clears here.Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
In Maryland, gusty wind, rain all night, now the rain has decreased, but the wind gusts seem to be even stronger than they were last night. About 600,000 people across the state have lost power, but so far, we still have ours. Looking out my window, I see the trees in the back yard doing a wild stooping twisting dance, but I don't think any have come down.
In the midst of it all, however, the hummingbird feeder is still up. We'll see if the hummers can fly in this or not (I did see some early yesterday evening).Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
In Delaware, we just lost power. There were a couple of flickers last night, but the power came back in a second or two. Lost it in the morning when the winds picked up. No rain at the moment though.Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
Certainly there was damage, but it is nothing even close to catastrophic.Originally posted by jpatter666
I had a house in Austin, Texas for 10 years. The 2nd year I owned it, a tropical depression tore off 5 shingles in 1 corner, resulting in water leaking into my bedroom.
Stuff happens.
The point is: while the earthquake did some damage, and Irene will do some damage, the over-hyping of danger is equally damaging.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if suddenly residential construction regulatory agencies start requiring increased 'earthquake' safety. Maybe this is reasonable, and maybe not.
As for insurance - earthquake insurance isn't standard in homeowner's insurance policies in California either, despite earthquakes in California being far more frequent. You can, however, get an additional policy regulated by the California Earthquake Authority.
Highly infrequent and/or unpredictable events all fall under 'act of God'/Force Majeure clauses - as often flood insurance does.
Notice a pattern?
The insurance companies only want to insure against things which are predictable and thus profitable.
Perfectly understandable, but highlights the difference between how FIRE views insurance and consumers do.Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
Grrrrr.....you completely miss and avoid the original point which was over your initial picture trivializing the damage. Mineral got slammed. Louisa in general took a fair amount of damage. If this had been a tornado we wouldn't have gotten these brush-off comments from you.Originally posted by c1ue View Post
And five shingles != whole houses thrown off foundations which absolutely happened to multiple families there. I think those uninsured families would disagree with your view as to severity.
I did agree that the media overhypes stuff. That's their operating mode for driving business as despicable as it may be.
So far as insurance goes, these *is* a difference between it being an available rider and it not being available at all which was my point.
I don't want to waste either of our time in a fruitless argument, so this will be my final comment on the matter. If you feel the need to respond, feel free by all means.Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
Is this damage so much worse than a tornado? We just went through a season in which well over 1 thousand people were killed in tornadoes, with one tornado killing dozens and destroying literally hundreds of houses.Originally posted by jpatter666
Why then is this such a huge deal?
As for insurance - even if said insurance were available, it beggars the imagination to think many people would have paid for it given the last earthquake of this magnitude on the East Coast was over 100 years ago.Comment
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Re: Hello New York (Or East coast) hows the weather?
my obs is that they only tend to cover things that are _unlikely_ and specifically exclude or highly restrict coverage of things that _are_ likelyOriginally posted by c1ue View Post
and then leave you guessing whether or not you will be covered at all, until after the fact...
speaking of 'covered' - looks like northern NE and NH in particular are being innundated (but the canoeing/kayaking will be great next week..):
FLASH FLOOD STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAY ME
314 PM EDT SUN AUG 28 2011
MEC017-NHC003-007-009-282330-
/O.CON.KGYX.FF.W.0007.000000T0000Z-110828T2330Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z. OO/
OXFORD ME-COOS NH-CARROLL NH-GRAFTON NH-
314 PM EDT SUN AUG 28 2011
...EXTREME RAINFALL AND RIVER RISES ARE CREATING LIFE THREATENING
CONDITIONS IN NORTHERN NEW HAMPSHIRE...
...A FLASH FLOOD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 730 PM EDT FOR
GRAFTON...CARROLL...COOS AND OXFORD COUNTIES...
AT 300 PM...EXTREMELY HEAVY RAIN CONTINUES TO FALL IN NORTHERN NEW
HAMPSHIRE AS WELL AS OXFORD COUNTY MAINE. SOME OF THE HARDEST HIT
AREAS INCLUDE THE AREA NEAR NORTH CONWAY ALONG THE SWIFT AND UPPER
SACO RIVERS. RADAR ESTIMATIONS NOW DEPICT OVER A FOOT OF RAIN HAS
FALLEN OVER PARTS OF THIS REGION FROM TROPICAL STORM IRENE. LAW
ENFORCEMENT REPORTS INDICATE THAT ROAD WASHOUTS ARE OCCURRING ALONG
ROUTE 302 IN THE ATTITASH REGION.
THE SWIFT AND UPPER SACO RIVERS WILL HAVE EXTREMELY RAPID RISES THIS
AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT. THE WATERVILLE VALLEY AREA WILL CONTINUE TO
BE HARD HIT AS WELL. OTHER AREAS IN AND AROUND THE WHITE MOUNTAIN
REGION WILL CONTINUE TO BE PRONE TO DANGEROUS FLOOD THREATS.
EXTREME FLOODING...ALONG WITH POTENTIAL ROCK AND MUDSLIDE WILL
THREATEN THE REGION INTO TONIGHT.Comment
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