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    i thought we might want to dedicate a thread to following the currency wars.

    here's a start from bloomberg:


    Currency Intervention Reappears as Fed May Ease

    Just eight months ago, Brazilian Finance Minister Guido Mantega declared a “truce” in competitive currency devaluations. Now, Japanese and Swiss moves to weaken the yen and the franc show reviving tension in foreign-exchange markets as the deteriorating U.S. economy weighs on the dollar.

    Japan sold yen today, causing the currency to weaken more than 4 percent against the dollar after rising 5 percent last month. “Ongoing one-sided moves” would hurt the recovery from a March earthquake, Finance Minister Yoshihiko Noda said. Yesterday, the Swiss National Bank cut interest rates to rein in the franc after a gain of about 36 percent in the past 12 months.

    Europe’s sovereign debt crisis and the battle between Republican leaders and U.S. President Barack Obama over the budget and borrowing limits drove investors to the perceived safety of yen and francs. The risk of a U.S. return to recession, forcing the Federal Reserve to another round of monetary easing, has exacerbated dollar weakness. The currency’s drop last year left all of Asia’s 10 biggest economies seeking to influence their own exchange rates to aid exporters and growth.

    ‘A New Stage’

    We seem to be entering a new stage of the currency wars where it’s not just the emerging markets that are responding to broad dollar weakness,” said Callum Henderson, global head of currency research at Standard Chartered Plc in Singapore, who has written books on currency markets. “Expect much more intervention in the future and further acrimony in terms of how the U.S. dollar is doing.”

    The U.S. economy shows signs of slowing, say five of nine economists on the academic panel that dates recessions. Harvard University economics professor Martin Feldstein, a member of the Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research, sees a 50 percent chance of another recession.

    Finance officials from Group of Seven nations held a conference call yesterday to discuss the European sovereign debt crisis and the U.S. political stalemate over raising the borrowing ceiling, according to a G-7 official.

    Asset Purchases

    A government report tomorrow may show the U.S. unemployment rate held at 9.2 percent in July, according to the median forecast in a Bloomberg survey, up from 8.8 percent in March. Barclays Capital economists cited “QE3 speculation picking up” ahead of the Fed’s Aug. 9 policy meeting, referring to a third round of quantitative easing, where the Fed mounts asset purchases.

    Among the 16 major currencies, the Swiss franc, New Zealand dollar, yen, Brazil’s real and Singaporean dollar have gained the most against the U.S. currency in the past three months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The euro has tumbled more than 3 percent against the greenback. The European currency dropped 0.7 percent today versus the dollar to $1.4229 as of 13:12 p.m. in London.

    Brazil’s Mantega said Nov. 30 that his nation’s currency was trading at a reasonable level as Europe’s worsening debt crisis brought a “temporary truce” to a global currency war. Since then, the real has gained about 10 percent against the dollar, and Mantega said last month that the so-called war was still on.

    More Stimulus

    Mantega’s complaint followed Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s August 2010 statement in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, that policy makers would provide more stimulus if needed. The statement, which the Fed followed up with a decision in November to buy $600 billion in Treasuries, sparked outrage from countries including Brazil that devalued currencies to counter the effects of capital flows to emerging markets.
    Brazil buys dollars to limit gains in the real and has also introduced rules aimed at discouraging bets on dollar weakness. The South American nation said on Aug. 2 that it will provide $16 billion in tax breaks and toughen trade barriers to protect manufacturers hurt by a currency rally that’s fueling a surge in imports from China.

    Latin American finance officials plan to gather this month to discuss ways to protect their currencies and economies from the turmoil in the U.S. and Europe.

    Bank Lending

    The Bank of Japan today expanded an asset-purchase fund that includes government bonds, real-estate investment trusts and corporate debt to 15 trillion yen from 10 trillion yen. It also boosted a program aimed at encouraging banks to lend by 5 trillion yen, bringing it to 35 trillion yen.
    The yen depreciated more than 4 percent against the dollar, the biggest decline since a 6.1 percent drop on Oct. 28, 2008, before trading 3.6 percent lower at 7:15 a.m. in New York.

    In New Zealand, Finance Minister Bill English said that the government can do little to alter the currency’s course after it rose to 88.43 U.S. cents on Aug. 1, the most since exchange-rate controls were removed in 1985. New Zealand’s central bank doesn’t comment on currency intervention, spokesman Mike Hannah said when asked if Japan’s move has affected the Reserve Bank of New Zealand’s currency actions.
    The central bank should seriously consider intervention should the New Zealand dollar remain in the high 80s over “coming weeks” while export commodity prices slide, Roger Kerr, who advises on currencies as owner of Asia-Pacific Risk Management, wrote in a column this week on interest.co.nz, an online financial news provider.

    Rate Increases

    Currency gains may mean that central banks in nations including New Zealand, Canada and Australia tighten monetary policy at a slower pace than they otherwise would, said Sue Trinh, a senior currency strategist in Hong Kong at Royal Bank of Canada.

    It manifests itself by more pushing back or delaying of any planned rate hikes as opposed to outright intervention to weaken their respective currencies,” Trinh said. “You’re seeing that already. The Bank of Canada has been pushing out its tightening campaign, the Reserve Bank of Australia is taking on a protracted pause in its tightening cycle and there are question marks on how aggressively the Reserve Bank of New Zealand is able to hike as well.”

    ‘Prudential Limits’

    South Korea’s government is reviewing “all possibilities” on curbing capital inflows, Finance Minister Bahk Jae Wan told reporters in Seoul today, adding that he’s “closely monitoring” the situation, while declining to comment on the impact of Japan’s intervention.

    The Philippines is prepared to impose controls to cap volatility in the peso after its currency rose to a three-year high this week, central bank Governor Amando Tetangco said in an e-mail late yesterday. The bank “will not go against the fundamental currency trend but will not hesitate to use tools, including imposing prudential limits on certain transactions of banks,” he said.

    Turkey’s central bank said today it will sell dollars to banks when it sees it’s necessary to support foreign exchange liquidity in the domestic market. Policy makers there unexpectedly lowered their benchmark interest rate to a record low of 5.75 percent today after an emergency meeting of the monetary policy committee.

    At Standard Chartered, Henderson highlighted that Japan and Switzerland were both members of the Group of 10 nations, signaling a shift from the early 2000s when the G-10 countries didn’t intervene, with the exception of Japan. “The currency wars will continue to bubble along and get worse.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-escalate.html
    Last edited by jk; August 04, 2011, 09:19 AM.

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    Re: currency wars

    The only currency war that really matters?


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    • #3
      Re: currency wars

      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
      The only currency war that really matters?


      i think the other currency war that matters is between the oecd and the em's. all the oecd currencies will flutter downwards, but that puts further strain on the pegs maintained by the em's. at some point i think there will be an earthquake which decouples these groups, in which the em currencies will rise and give the em's relatively more buying power.

      [this reminds me of discussions years ago about what i called peter schiff's "schiff scenario."]

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        Originally posted by jk View Post
        i think the other currency war that matters is between the oecd and the em's. all the oecd currencies will flutter downwards, but that puts further strain on the pegs maintained by the em's. at some point i think there will be an earthquake which decouples these groups, in which the em currencies will rise and give the em's relatively more buying power.

        [this reminds me of discussions years ago about what i called peter schiff's "schiff scenario."]
        For that to take place would require, imo, a major shiff [sorry, shift] away from the mercantile export economic model pursued by the majority of ems. That is one reason I have for some years been more optimisitic about the prospects for India compared to headline grabbing China. India has many, many problems, no doubt. But it has two advantages - English as a working language, and a significant and well developed internal consumer market...both of which have helped India integrate itself with the rest of the world in a way that China has been unable, so far.

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        • #5
          Re: currency wars

          Originally posted by GRG55
          For that to take place would require, imo, a major shiff [sorry, shift] away from the mercantile export economic model pursued by the majority of ems. That is one reason I have for some years been more optimisitic about the prospects for India compared to headline grabbing China. India has many, many problems, no doubt. But it has two advantages - English as a working language, and a significant and well developed internal consumer market...both of which have helped India integrate itself with the rest of the world in a way that China has been unable, so far.
          I'd point out though - that India appears to be investing far less in infrastructure development than China. This might be good in terms of avoiding a property bubble, but it is very bad in terms of other forms of infrastructure like transport, communications, hygiene, energy.

          India's resurgence also seems to be significantly based upon offshoring of labor - and service labor to boot. If the host nations undergo significant economic downshifting, this will certainly put paid to future growth in this sector of India's economy, if not outright decline.

          Call centers and IT support cannot contribute much to organic Indian economic growth.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by c1ue View Post
            Call centers and IT support cannot contribute much to organic Indian economic growth.
            Bingo +1

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by don View Post
              Bingo +1
              If you, like our friend c1ue, really believe that the Indian economy is based on call centers and IT support consulting you are both so wide of the mark that I suggest you actually make a trip to that country before you draw any more conclusions.

              The Indian economy seems to have weathered the first phase of the global financial crisis reasonably well. I believe it will prove more resilient than China's economy in the next phase of this ongoing global financial catastrophe...which may well be triggered by a meltdown of the bubble with Chinese characteristics...


              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              I'd point out though - that India appears to be investing far less in infrastructure development than China. This might be good in terms of avoiding a property bubble, but it is very bad in terms of other forms of infrastructure like transport, communications, hygiene, energy.

              India's resurgence also seems to be significantly based upon offshoring of labor - and service labor to boot. If the host nations undergo significant economic downshifting, this will certainly put paid to future growth in this sector of India's economy, if not outright decline.

              Call centers and IT support cannot contribute much to organic Indian economic growth.
              1. Infrastructure is generally a government sponsored activity. For quite some years the Indian economy has been growing in spite of the government and in spite of the lack of infrastructure improvement. Nobody there expects the corruption that is preventing adequate infrastructure development to change any time soon. Given the dismal results of the recent "infrastructure" stimulus in the USA, I would say that US businesses could learn something that might be useful in future about operating with a lack of adequate infrastructure from their Indian counterparts ;-)

              2. India has been exporting labour for many, many generations. The assertion that "India's resurgence is significantly based on offshoring of labour" is so laughably ridiculous that it's not deserving of a rebuttal.
              Last edited by GRG55; August 05, 2011, 01:00 AM.

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                Originally posted by GRG55
                If you, like our friend c1ue, really believe that the Indian economy is based on call centers and IT support consulting you are both so wide of the mark that I suggest you actually make a trip to that country before you draw any more conclusions.
                It is in fact based on my direct experiences as well as my Indian and Pakistani co-workers.

                India's economy is over 50% agricultural. Of the remainder, government is the largest followed by real estate/construction. Of the remainder after that? Services.

                Overseas remittances are also a significant influx: $50B plus but these have not significantly grown beyond India's GDP growth.

                So while there is certainly some infrastructure building going on, in fact quite some from a percentage of budget basis, I'd like to see some factual data showing how India is keeping pace with China on non-residential real estate spending on infrastructure.

                Perhaps you can enlighten us with your first hand information.

                Some color behind my statement:

                http://offshoreitoutsourcing.com/Pag...ia_Economy.asp

                The share of the Indian IT and ITES industries in the GDP will increase from 1.4 percent (in 2001) to 7 percent by 2008. Moreover, the analysis predicts that it will contribute 19 percent of incremental GDP growth between now and 2008.
                IT and ITES alone accounts for more than $60 billion a year in India's GDP - more than remittances. This doesn't count the other types of offshoring going on.
                Last edited by c1ue; August 05, 2011, 09:48 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: currency wars

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  If you, like our friend c1ue, really believe that the Indian economy is based on call centers and IT support consulting you are both so wide of the mark that I suggest you actually make a trip to that country before you draw any more conclusions.

                  The Indian economy seems to have weathered the first phase of the global financial crisis reasonably well. I believe it will prove more resilient than China's economy in the next phase of this ongoing global financial catastrophe...which may well be triggered by a meltdown of the bubble with Chinese characteristics...
                  Time to resurrect another jk thread from the archives.

                  The currency wars seem to have entered an entirely new phase, with the 26% collapse of the Kazakh Tenge this past week but the latest EM casualty in a growing list. Kazakhstan's largest trading partner is Russia, and the Ruble's decline was like a BRIC through the picture window of the Kazakh economy as the Nazarbayev regime tried to hold the Tenge-USD peg.

                  Meanwhile in Brazil a falling Real doesn't seem to be helping solve internal issues:


                  Brazil Has Yet Another Big Mess on Its Hands After State Default

                  Updated on

                  Engulfed by political and economic crises, Brazil can ill afford to be beset by more problems.

                  Yet that’s exactly what is happening after its southernmost state of
                  Rio Grande do Sul defaulted on a 280 million real ($80.9 million) payment to the federal government this month -- the first since the nation’s municipal-debt meltdown in 1997. The state, proportionally the most-indebted in Brazil, is in such distress that it didn’t pay salaries to public workers in July.

                  Local governments in Latin America’s biggest country are coming under increasing financial stress as the economy heads for its longest recession since 1931 and caps imposed as part of a federal rescue 18 years ago constrain their ability to obtain financing. Their woes are threatening to make matters worse in a country reeling from an expanding corruption investigation and
                  growing calls to impeach President Dilma Rousseff...

                  ...Governor Jose Ivo Sartori and local finance officers went to Brasilia on Aug. 12 to hold talks with Treasury Secretary
                  Marcelo Saintive, according to a statement on Rio Grande do Sul’s official website.

                  The state is incapable of honoring any of its obligations, state Finance Secretary Giovani Feltes said at a press conference in Porto Alegre on Aug. 8...

                  ...Brazil’s Treasury has executed contract guarantees on Aug. 19 relative to the debt by retaining taxation revenue that is supposed to be transferred from the federal government to Rio Grande do Sul.


                  The state has already spent 26.8 billion reais this year, more than any full year between 2004 and 2009. About a quarter of the outlays went to pay retired public employees.


                  “The local government basically doesn’t know where to find money anymore,”...

                  Last edited by GRG55; August 21, 2015, 07:03 PM.

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                    looks like a replay [or at least a "rhyme"] for 1997. any nominations for who is set up for the role of ltcm? [maybe PoZ has an idea.] and with oil down does russia default again?

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                    • #11
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                      Not to be forgotten, when we talk about India:

                      "Facts about hunger in India

                      Largest India is home to the largest undernourished and hungry population in the world
                      15.2% of our population is undernourished
                      194.6million people go hungry everyday
                      30.7% of children under 5 are underweight
                      58% of children stunted by 2 years of age
                      1 in 4 children malnourished
                      3,000 children in India die every day from poor diet related illness
                      24% of under-five deaths in India
                      30% of neo-natal deaths in India"
                      http://www.indiafoodbanking.org/hunger
                      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                      It is in fact based on my direct experiences as well as my Indian and Pakistani co-workers.

                      India's economy is over 50% agricultural. Of the remainder, government is the largest followed by real estate/construction. Of the remainder after that? Services.

                      Overseas remittances are also a significant influx: $50B plus but these have not significantly grown beyond India's GDP growth.

                      So while there is certainly some infrastructure building going on, in fact quite some from a percentage of budget basis, I'd like to see some factual data showing how India is keeping pace with China on non-residential real estate spending on infrastructure.

                      Perhaps you can enlighten us with your first hand information.

                      Some color behind my statement:

                      http://offshoreitoutsourcing.com/Pag...ia_Economy.asp



                      IT and ITES alone accounts for more than $60 billion a year in India's GDP - more than remittances. This doesn't count the other types of offshoring going on.

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                        There is a big bounce in the Euro. It looks like the shorts are being taken out and then we get the next leg down. Anyone with timelines on this and how high the Euro may rise during this phase?

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                          Investors Race to Escape Risk in Once-Booming Emerging-Market Bonds

                          By LANDON THOMAS Jr.The large mutual funds that helped fuel rapid growth in developing countries have begun hastily retreating from those investments, contributing to the recent sharp decline in global markets.

                          In the last week alone, investors pulled $2.5 billion from emerging-market bond funds, the largest withdrawal since January 2014.


                          The world’s fastest-growing economies — led by China — have been propelled by soaring commodity prices, robust currencies and access to cheap loans, primarily through the sale of high-yield, high-risk bonds. But China’s decision to devalue its currency has set off a chain reaction of panicked selling around the world that contributed to the biggest one-week loss on Wall Street since 2011, sending the Dow Jones industrial average into correction territory (10 percent below its recent peak).

                          The index was down 531 points on Friday and nearly 6 percent for the week.The currency devaluation increased concerns that growth in China was slowing and that other countries might follow with their own devaluations. The notion unnerved bond investors, who began to retreat out of fear they would not be repaid. General uneasiness about a global economic slowdown spread to stocks, which many have believed to be overvalued and due for a decline.

                          “The growth rates for many of these countries were vastly overstated,” said Dani Rodrik, a professor at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government who has studied the impact of foreign capital flows in developing economies. “It was all very unsustainable.”

                          The selling spree has raised concerns among regulators and economists about a broader contagion that could make it difficult for individual investors to withdraw money from their mutual funds.

                          While these funds do not use borrowed money, as did the banks that failed during the mortgage crisis, they have invested large sums in a wide variety of high-yielding bonds and bank loans that are not easy to sell — especially in a bear market.

                          If investors ask to be repaid all at once — as happened in 2008 — a run-on-the-bank scenario could unfold because funds would have difficulty meeting the demands of people wanting their cash back.

                          During previous global investment booms and busts, large commercial banks were the dominant overseas lenders. These institutions were just as prone to making bad lending decisions as bond investors, but they also tended to have longer-term relationships with their borrowers and were less likely to cut and run.

                          Because large global banks suffered significant losses during the financial crisis and were forced to rein in their lending, more nimble — and fickle — bond investors stepped in.

                          In January, economists at the Bank for International Settlements, or B.I.S., a clearinghouse for global central banks, published a study that highlighted how fast dollar-based lending to companies and countries outside the United States had increased since the financial crisis — doubling to over $9 trillion.

                          What struck the authors most was that this growth was coming not from global banks but from American mutual funds buying the bonds of emerging-market issuers.

                          Large fund companies like BlackRock, Franklin Templeton and Pimco and have been inundated with money from investors eager to invest in the high-yielding bonds of emerging-market corporations and countries.

                          For example, Pimco’s Total Return bond fund, which last year suffered the loss of its star manager, William H. Gross, and is a mainstay for investors with fairly conservative investment goals, has 21 percent of its $101 billion in assets invested in emerging-market bonds and derivatives.

                          Among the many beneficiaries of this largess were commodity-driven borrowers such as the state-owned oil companies Petrobras in Brazil and Pemex in Mexico, the Russian state-owned natural gas exporter Gazprom, and real estate developers in China.

                          One of the more extreme cases of this bond market frenzy was Mongolia. In 2012, with expectations high that the relatively tiny economy would reap the benefits from China’s ceaseless appetite for raw materials, the government sold $1.5 billion worth of bonds, with demand from investors reaching $10 billion.

                          That meant, in effect, that the country was in a position to borrow an amount twice the size of its $4 billion gross domestic product.

                          Three years later, the International Monetary Fund is warning that Mongolia may not be able to make good on these loans — 14 percent of which are owned by Franklin Templeton, according to Bloomberg data — and the yields have shot up to about 9 percent from 4 percent.

                          Of course, a Mongolian bond deal gone bust does not spell disaster. But it illustrates the risks global mutual fund investors were willing to take on in their desire to load up on high-yielding securities.

                          Mongolia, which was able to sell an additional $500 million in bonds this spring, was not the only dubious borrower to attract cash from global bond investors. Russian train companies easily sold dollar bonds, despite the fact that their revenues were earned in rubles. Even Ecuador, a country that defaulted in 2008, was able to raise $2 billion last year.

                          Brazil, China, Malaysia, Russia, Turkey and others have sold more than $2 trillion in bonds, mostly to American mutual fund companies, since 2009. As this money flowed into their countries, financing skyscrapers in Istanbul and oil exploration in Brazil, economies and currencies strengthened.

                          Now the reverse is occurring, led by a slowing Chinese economy, and as that money heads for safety, local currencies are plunging.

                          In a follow-up paper this month, B.I.S. economists warn of the consequences if bond investors sell these positions in a panic at more or less the same time. And they point out that because bond funds have become so large and own so many of the same securities (many of which tend to be hard to sell), a bond-selling panic can spread quickly.

                          For example, there has been explosive growth in so-called unconstrained bond funds, which operate somewhat like a hedge fund, with a mandate to buy any security in any part of the world.

                          According to Morningstar, these funds have increased to $154 billion from $9 billion in 2009, with many of them invested in emerging-market bonds.

                          Because these funds tend to take on more risk and buy securities that are harder to sell — such as emerging-market bonds — the fear is that the managers of these funds will not be able to provide cash to investors when they demand it.

                          Pimco’s unconstrained bond fund, to name one, has 42 percent of its $7.9 billion in assets in emerging-market bonds — mostly Brazilian government securities. (Last month, investors withdrew $492 million from the fund.)

                          Exchange-traded funds, a type of mutual fund that trades like a stock and promises instant liquidity, have also been large investors in emerging markets.

                          What worries many regulators and economists is how much mutual fund money is now tied up in these hard-to-sell bonds — an amount that far exceeds the exposure investors had to these markets in earlier emerging-market crises.

                          EPFR Global, a fund-tracking company, calculates that global bond funds have allocated 16 percent of their holdings to emerging-market bonds. Relative to the 2.5 percent recommended benchmark for these securities suggested by the Barclays aggregate bond index, that is a very aggressive bet.

                          Ricardo Adrogue, an emerging-markets-debt investor at Babson Capital in Boston, says it is the extreme declines in the currencies of Malaysia, Mexico, Russia and Turkey that worry him — not so much the Chinese devaluation.

                          “People are saying, ‘I want out,’ ” he said. “It is difficult to see the bottom with all these depreciating currencies.”




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                            Re: currency wars

                            Originally posted by don View Post
                            Investors Race to Escape Risk in Once-Booming Emerging-Market Bonds

                            By LANDON THOMAS Jr.The large mutual funds that helped fuel rapid growth in developing countries have begun hastily retreating from those investments, contributing to the recent sharp decline in global markets.

                            In the last week alone, investors pulled $2.5 billion from emerging-market bond funds, the largest withdrawal since January 2014...



                            In the runup to the last financial crisis my first reference event that the crisis was imminent was in the summer of 2007 when BNP Paribas "froze" two of their managed funds and disallowed withdrawals because they could no longer price the underlying subprime mortgage securities. This brought a whole new meaning for investors to subprime being "contained". Then came the run on the UK's Northern (C)Rock the following month and the first of the global bank depositor bailouts.

                            What seems to have been overlooked in the article above is that the EM creditors are under no obligation to repay the funds on demand. For every person/fund manager that wishes or has to sell their EM bonds there has to be a buyer. Who's doing the buying?


                            Bonds
                            | Thu Aug 9, 2007 1:02pm EDT

                            France's biggest listed bank, BNP Paribas (BNPP.PA), froze 1.6 billion euros ($2.2 billion) worth of funds on Thursday, citing the U.S. subprime mortgage sector woes that have rattled financial markets worldwide.


                            The frozen funds amount to less than 0.5 percent of funds under management for the eurozone's second biggest bank by value, but later in the day a separate European fund valued at 750 million euros was frozen too, and a Dutch bank pulled its planned new listing after suffering subprime losses...

                            ...BNP Paribas said it was barring investors from redeeming cash from the funds.

                            "The complete evaporation of liquidity in certain market segments of the U.S. securitization market has made it impossible to value certain assets fairly, regardless of their quality or credit rating," it said in a statement...

                            ...BNP Paribas said the three funds had declined rapidly in size in the past few weeks to 1.593 billion euros ($2.19 billion) at August 7, down from 2.075 billion at July 27. The bank has 326 billion euros of assets under management.

                            Most of the decline was due to investors pulling out of the funds, said Alain Papiasse, head of asset management and services at BNP Paribas...

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                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              In the runup to the last financial crisis my first reference event that the crisis was imminent was in the summer of 2007 when BNP Paribas "froze" two of their managed funds and disallowed withdrawals....
                              ...
                              What seems to have been overlooked in the article above is that the EM creditors are under no obligation to repay the funds on demand. For every person/fund manager that wishes or has to sell their EM bonds there has to be a buyer. Who's doing the buying?....
                              this has been noted elsewhere, as well:

                              http://www.silverdoctors.com/bill-ho...be-a-disaster/

                              Originally posted by bill holter
                              In as few words as possible, we are witnessing a credit collapse. These two commodities [oil &dr copper] (along with many others) are crashing NOT because currencies are so well foundationed or strong and “going up”. No, we are watching them crash because of shrinking demand. This is also confirmed by trade numbers (or lack of). We also see freight rates imploding all over the world due to the same lack of demand and trade. This should tell you something in very loud and very clear terms, the “reflation” efforts have failed miserably!
                              and this 'little tidbit'

                              Just this week we have seen Alan Greenspan warn the “credit markets are in a bubble” http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gre...ble-2015-08-19 . If that were not enough, the St. Louis Fed http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...qe-was-mistake admits QE was a mistake and did nothing to help the economy.

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