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    The Busts Keep Getting Bigger: Why?

    July 14, 2011

    Paul Krugman and Robin Wells

    Age of Greed: The Triumph of Finance and the Decline of America, 1970 to the Present
    by Jeff Madrick
    Knopf, 464 pp., $30.00



    Charles Prince, left, in 2003, when he took over as chief executive of Citigroup after the resignation of Sanford Weill, right

    Suppose we describe the following situation: major US financial institutions have badly overreached. They created and sold new financial instruments without understanding the risk. They poured money into dubious loans in pursuit of short-term profits, dismissing clear warnings that the borrowers might not be able to repay those loans. When things went bad, they turned to the government for help, relying on emergency aid and federal guarantees—thereby putting large amounts of taxpayer money at risk—in order to get by. And then, once the crisis was past, they went right back to denouncing big government, and resumed the very practices that created the crisis.

    What year are we talking about?

    We could, of course, be talking about 2008–2009, when Citigroup, Bank of America, and other institutions teetered on the brink of collapse, and were saved only by huge infusions of taxpayer cash. The bankers have repaid that support by declaring piously that it’s time to stop “banker-bashing,” and complaining that President Obama’s (very) occasional mentions of Wall Street’s role in the crisis are hurting their feelings.

    But we could also be talking about 1991, when the consequences of vast, loan-financed overbuilding of commercial real estate in the 1980s came home to roost, helping to cause the collapse of the junk-bond market and putting many banks—Citibank, in particular—at risk. Only the fact that bank deposits were federally insured averted a major crisis. Or we could be talking about 1982–1983, when reckless lending to Latin America ended in a severe debt crisis that put major banks such as, well, Citibank at risk, and only huge official lending to Mexico, Brazil, and other debtors held an even deeper crisis at bay. Or we could be talking about the near crisis caused by the bankruptcy of Penn Central in 1970, which put its lead banker, First National City—later renamed Citibank—on the edge; only emergency lending from the Federal Reserve averted disaster.

    You get the picture. The great financial crisis of 2008–2009, whose consequences still blight our economy, is sometimes portrayed as a “black swan” or a “100-year flood”—that is, as an extraordinary event that nobody could have predicted. But it was, in fact, just the most recent installment in a recurrent pattern of financial overreach, taxpayer bailout, and subsequent Wall Street ingratitude. And all indications are that the pattern is set to continue.

    Jeff Madrick’s Age of Greed: The Triumph of Finance and the Decline of America, 1970 to the Present is an attempt to chronicle the emergence and persistence of this pattern. It’s not an analytical work, which, as we’ll explain later, sometimes makes the book frustrating reading. Instead, it’s a series of vignettes—and these vignettes are both fascinating and, taken as a group, deeply disturbing. For they suggest not just that we’re seeing a repeating cycle, but that the busts keep getting bigger. And since it seems that nothing was learned from the 2008 crisis, you have to wonder just how bad the next one will be.

    The first thing you need to know about the cycle of financial overreach, crisis, and bailout is that it was not always thus. The United States emerged from the Great Depression with a tightly regulated financial sector, and for about forty years those regulations were enough to keep banking both safe and boring. And for a while—with memories of the bank failures of the 1930s still fresh—most people liked it that way. Over the course of the 1970s and 1980s, however, both the political consensus in favor of boring banking and the structure of regulations that kept banking safe unraveled. The first half of Age of Greed describes how this happened through a series of personal profiles.

    To some extent Madrick covers familiar ground here. He recounts the economic turmoil of the 1970s, as the country was caught in the grip of stagflation. And as he points out, Nixon and Ford—like today’s Republicans—blamed the economy’s troubles not on the true culprits but on big government. Madrick stresses a key point that is often forgotten or misunderstood to this day: the surging inflation of the 1970s had its roots not in some general problem of “big government” but in largely temporary events—the oil price shock and disappointing crop yields—whose effects were magnified throughout the economy by wage-price indexation. Yet constant policy shifts by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve (remember wage-price controls?) under Nixon, Ford, and Carter, Madrick argues, made the American public lose faith in government effectiveness, creating within it a ready acceptance of the antigovernment messages of Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.

    While we believe that there were deeper reasons for Reagan’s rise, Madrick is right that the economic malaise of the 1970s gave Reagan his big opening. As Madrick describes, Reagan’s enormous capacity for doublethink and convenient untruths enabled him, the front man for business interests, to convince a credulous public that “government had become the principal obstacle to their personal fulfillment.” In possibly the best chapter of the book, Madrick recounts the irony of how Reagan, the great moralizer, made unchecked greed and runaway individualism not only acceptable, but lauded, in the American psyche.

    Madrick also does an especially persuasive job of demythologizing Milton Friedman, who provided intellectual heft for the antigovernment movement. As Madrick points out, although Friedman offered some important economic insights, he often shoehorned real-life data to fit into a one-sided narrative, gaining his theories wider acceptance than was ultimately justified. And Friedman, like Reagan, preferred “overly simple assertions of free market claims,” discarding the caveats.

    In Friedman’s worldview, free markets were the solution to practically every problem—health care, product safety, bank regulation, financial speculation, and so on. And Friedman squarely blamed government for the Great Depression, a view that is at odds with the data. (Although it is almost certainly true that mistakes by the Fed made the situation worse.) As Madrick quotes him, “The Great Depression, like most other periods of severe unemployment, was produced by government management rather than by inherent instability of the private economy.” Replace “Great Depression” with “the financial crisis and its aftermath,” and it could be John Boehner today, rather than Friedman in 1962, speaking these words. Like Reagan, Friedman proclaimed a creed of greedism (our term)—that unchecked self-interest furthers the common good.

    While 1970s inflation undermined confidence in government economic management and catapulted Friedman to fame, it also undermined the New Deal constraints on financial institutions by making it impossible to maintain limits on interest rates on customer deposits. To tell this part of the story, Madrick turns to an often-neglected figure: Walter Wriston, who ran First National City/Citibank from the 1960s into the 1980s. These days Wriston is best known among economists for his famous quote dismissing sovereign risk: “Countries don’t go out of business.”

    But as Madrick documents, there was much more to Wriston’s career than his misjudgment of the risks involved in lending to national governments. More than anyone else, he epitomized the transformation of banking from cautious supporter of industry to freewheeling independent profit center, creator of crises, and recurrent recipient of taxpayer bailouts. As Madrick deftly points out, “Wriston lived a free market charade,” strongly opposing the federal bailouts of Chrysler (1978) and Continental Illinois (1984) while his own back was saved multiple times by government intervention.

    The transformation of American banking initiated by Wriston arguably began as early as 1961, when First National City began offering negotiable certificates of deposit—CDs that could be cashed in early, and therefore served as an alternative to regular bank deposits, while sidestepping legal limits on interest rates. First National City’s innovation—and the decision of regulators to let it stand—marked the first major crack in the system of bank regulation created in the 1930s, and hence arguably the first step on the road to the crisis of 2008.

    Wriston entered the history books again through his prominent part in creating the late-1970s boom in lending to Latin American governments, a boom that strongly prefigured the subprime boom a generation later. Thus Wriston’s dismissal of the risks involved in lending to governments would be echoed in the 2000s by assertions, like those of Alan Greenspan, that a “national severe price distortion”—i.e., a housing bubble that would burst—”seems most unlikely.” Bankers failed to consider the possibility that all of the debtor nations would experience simultaneous problems—Madrick quotes the head of J.P. Morgan saying: “We had set limits, long and short, on each country. We didn’t look at the whole.” And in so doing they prefigured the utter misjudgment of risks on mortgage-backed securities, which were considered safe because it was deemed unlikely that many mortgages would go bad at the same time.

    When the loans to Latin American governments went bad, Citi and other banks were rescued via a program that was billed as aid to troubled debtor nations but was in fact largely aimed at helping US and European banks. In that sense the program for Latin America in the 1980s bore a strong family resemblance to what is happening to Europe’s peripheral economies now. Large official loans were provided to debtor nations, not to help them recover economically, but to help them repay their private-sector creditors. In effect, it looked like a country bailout, but it was really an indirect bank bailout. And the banks did indeed weather the storm. But the loans came with a price, namely harsh austerity programs imposed on debtor nations—and in Latin America, the price of this austerity was a lost decade of falling incomes and minimal growth.

    This was, then, an enormous bank-led crisis—soon followed by the savings and loan crisis, which Madrick treats only briefly, but which had a higher direct cost to taxpayers than even the current crisis. And the response of the political system to these crises was… to shower more favors on the financial industry, dismantling what was left of Depression-era regulation.

    The second part of Madrick’s book surveys the wide-open, anything goes financial world that deregulation created. This was an era marked by two huge bubbles—the technology bubble of the 1990s and the housing bubble of the Bush years—both of which ended in grief, although the economic damage inflicted by the second bubble’s bursting was vastly greater.

    Again, Madrick’s exposition takes the form of a series of personal vignettes. As in the first part of the book, some of these cover familiar ground. We learn about the career of Alan Greenspan and how he used his reputation as an economic guru—a reputation that in retrospect was entirely undeserved—to push his antigovernment, antiregulation ideology. We meet some of the architects of the 2008 crisis: Angelo Mozilo of Countrywide Financial Services, Jimmy Cayne of Bear Stearns, Dick Fuld of Lehman, Stan O’Neal of Merrill Lynch, and Chuck Prince of Citigroup (created by the merger of Travelers Insurance with—yet again—Citibank). Mozilo was the leading peddler of subprime and other risky mortgages, loans made to people who shouldn’t have been getting loans. The others were all involved in the process of slicing, dicing, and recombining these loans into supposedly safe financial instruments, AAA-rated investments that suddenly turned into waste paper when the housing bubble burst.

    However, the real star is a figure who, if not exactly neglected, isn’t at the center of most crisis narratives: Sanford I.—Sandy—Weill. Weill’s personal rise paralleled the transformation of finance, as the genteel figures of the era of regulated, boring banking were replaced by aggressive outsiders. During the 1960s, old-school Wall Streeters mockingly referred to Weill’s brokerage—Cogan, Berlind, Weill & Levitt—as Corned Beef with Lettuce. By 2000, however, the old Wall Street was gone, and the former outsiders were in charge. Weill, in particular, had masterminded the merger of Citibank and Travelers, and after a power struggle emerged as the new Citigroup’s CEO.

    What was truly remarkable about that merger is that when Weill proposed it, it was clearly illegal. Salomon Smith Barney, a Travelers subsidiary, was engaged in investment banking, that is, putting together financial deals. And New Deal–era legislation—the Glass-Steagall Act—prohibited such activities on the part of commercial banks (deposit-taking institutions) like Citibank. But Weill believed that he could get the law changed to retroactively approve the merger, and he was right.

    Almost immediately, the new financial behemoth was wrapped in scandal. Nowadays it’s common to treat the technology bubble of the 1990s and the housing bubble of the decade following as having been very different stories. And in financial terms they were quite different: the tech bubble didn’t lead to a dramatic rise in debt the way the housing bubble did, and as a result the bursting of the bubble didn’t cause major defaults and a run on the banking system. Yet Wall Street—and Wall Street corruption—played a crucial role in both bubbles, as Madrick reminds us in a chapter titled “Jack Grubman, Frank Quattrone, Ken Lay, and Sandy Weill: Decade of Deceit.” As Madrick points out, Grubman, an analyst at Salomon Smith Barney who was effectively on the take, was central to some of the biggest accounting frauds. And Weill ended his reign at Citigroup immensely rich but under an ethical cloud.

    There are a lot of villains in this story—so many that by the end of the book we were, frankly, suffering from a bit of outrage fatigue. But why have villains triumphed so repeatedly?

    The proximate answer, clearly, is the abdication of regulatory oversight. From junk bonds to derivatives to sub-prime mortgages, regulators either turned a blind eye or were impeded by business interests and politicians—Democrat as well as Republican. Undoubtedly the most outrageous act—and the most economically damaging to the country—was Greenspan’s refusal to use regulatory powers at his disposal to rein in the exploding sub-prime market, despite being warned repeatedly that a catastrophe was brewing. Like Reagan and Friedman, Greenspan firmly believed in greedism; in his view, the financial markets could do no wrong.

    Yet if the problem was lack of oversight, that leads to another question: Why did the regulators abdicate—and keep abdicating despite repeated financial disasters? This is perhaps the most frustrating aspect of Madrick’s otherwise excellent book: we get a lot of the what, but not much of the why. Madrick’s character-centered narrative makes it seem as if the triumph of greed was the result of a series of contingent events: the inflation of the 1970s, the exploitation of that inflation by Reagan and Friedman, the wheeling and dealing of the likes of Sandy Weill, and the diffidence of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Yet surely there must have been deeper forces at work.

    We have argued elsewhere (and are not unique in doing so) that white backlash—especially Southern white backlash—against the civil rights movement transformed American politics, creating the opportunity for a major push to undermine the New Deal. Also, it’s hard to make sense of the growing ability of bankers to get the rules rewritten in their favor without talking about the role of money in politics, and how that role has metastasized over the past thirty years. There’s another book to be written here—perhaps less personality-centered and hence less entertaining than Madrick’s, but one that gets at the forces that made the reign of financial villains possible.

    Whatever the deeper story, however, Madrick’s subtitle gets it right: what we have experienced is, in a very real sense, the triumph of Wall Street and the decline of America. Despite what some academics (primarily in business schools) claimed, the vast sums of money channeled through Wall Street did not improve America’s productive capacity by “efficiently allocating capital to its best use.” Instead, it diminished the country’s productivity by directing capital on the basis of financial chicanery, outrageous compensation packages, and bubble-infected stock price valuations.

    And what has happened in the aftermath of the 2008–2009 crisis is still worse: all the evidence suggests that the United States is on track to spending the better part of a decade experiencing high unemployment and sub-par growth blighting millions of lives—particularly the old, the young, and the economically vulnerable.

    Yet even now we don’t seem to have learned the lesson that unregulated greed, especially in the financial sector, is destructive. True, most Democrats are now in favor of stronger financial regulation—although not as strongly as is required by the continuing manipulations by large financial institutions. But today’s Republicans remain firmly attached to greedism. In their view, it’s still government that’s the problem. It has now become orthodoxy on the right—despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary—that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, not Angelo Mozilo and Countrywide Credit, are to blame for the subprime mess. While proclaiming themselves defenders of the little guy, Republicans are currently hard at work undermining the Obama administration’s consumer protections that would largely prevent a replay of rapacious subprime lending.

    The Age of Greed is a fascinating and deeply disturbing tale of hypocrisy, corruption, and insatiable greed. But more than that, it’s a much-needed reminder of just how we got into the mess we’re in—a reminder that is greatly needed when we are still being told that greed is good.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...ng-bigger-why/

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    Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

    i guess its 'summer/beach reading season' out on the hamptons, eh?

    on the one (left) side, we have slugman preaching to the choir in the ny times,
    with this: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...ng-bigger-why/
    and on the other (right) we have george will in the washing post:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...GuH_story.html

    and i _am_ going to start putting up contrasting views, because in spite of krugman/the dems best efforts to throw the blame onto the 'big banks' (of which he is their primary cheerleader, esp lately, in his championing of the obama deficits not spending enough???) it is my belief that the liberal/left/dems OWN THE GREAT DEPRESSION II, lock, stock & barrel...

    Burning down the house


    The louder they talked about the disadvantaged, the more money they made. And the more the financial system tottered.
    Who were they? Most explanations of the financial calamity have been indecipherable to people not fluent in the language of “credit default swaps” and “collateralized debt obligations.” The calamity has lacked human faces. No more.
    Put on asbestos mittens and pick up “Reckless Endangerment,” the scalding new book by Gretchen Morgenson, a New York Times columnist, and Joshua Rosner, a housing finance expert. They will introduce you to James A. Johnson, an emblem of the administrative state that liberals admire.
    The book’s subtitle could be: “Cry ‘Compassion’ and Let Slip the Dogs of Cupidity.” Or: “How James Johnson and Others (Mostly Democrats) Made the Great Recession.” The book is another cautionary tale about government’s terrifying self-confidence. It is, the authors say, “a story of what happens when Washington decides, in its infinite wisdom, that every living, breathing citizen should own a home.”
    The 1977 Community Reinvestment Act pressured banks to relax lending standards to dispense mortgages more broadly across communities. In 1992, the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston purported to identify racial discrimination in the application of traditional lending standards to those, Morgenson and Rosner write, “whose incomes, assets, or abilities to pay fell far below the traditional homeowner spectrum.”
    In 1994, Bill Clinton proposed increasing homeownership through a “partnership” between government and the private sector, principally orchestrated by Fannie Mae, a “government-sponsored enterprise” (GSE). It became a perfect specimen of what such “partnerships” (e.g., General Motors) usually involve: Profits are private, losses are socialized.
    There was a torrent of compassion-speak: “Special care should be taken to ensure that standards are appropriate to the economic culture of urban, lower-
    income, and nontraditional consumers.” “Lack of credit history should not be seen as a negative factor.” Government having decided to dictate behavior that markets discouraged, the traditional relationship between borrowers and lenders was revised. Lenders promoted reckless borrowing, knowing they could off*load risk to purchasers of bundled loans, and especially to Fannie Mae. In 1994, subprime lending was $40 billion. In 1995, almost one in five mortgages was subprime. Four years later such lending totaled $160 billion.
    As housing prices soared, many giddy owners stopped thinking of homes as retirement wealth and started using them as sources of equity loans — up to $800 billion a year. This fueled incontinent consumption.
    Under Johnson, an important Democratic operative, Fannie Mae became, Morgenson and Rosner say, “the largest and most powerful financial institution in the world.” Its power derived from the unstated certainty that the government would be ultimately liable for Fannie’s obligations. This assumption and other perquisites were subsidies to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac worth an estimated $7 billion a year. They retained about a third of this.
    Morgenson and Rosner report that in 1998, when Fannie Mae’s lending hit $1 trillion, its top officials began manipulating the company’s results to generate bonuses for themselves. That year Johnson’s $1.9 million bonus brought his compensation to $21 million. In nine years, Johnson received $100 million.
    Fannie Mae’s political machine dispensed campaign contributions, gave jobs to friends and relatives of legislators, hired armies of lobbyists (even paying lobbyists not to lobby against it), paid academics who wrote papers validating the homeownership mania, and spread “charitable” contributions to housing advocates across the congressional map.
    By 2003, the government was involved in financing almost half — $3.4 trillion — of the home-loan market. Not coincidentally, by the summer of 2005, almost 40 percent of new subprime loans were for amounts larger than the value of the properties.
    Morgenson and Rosner find few heroes, but two are Marvin Phaup and June O’Neill. These “digit-heads” and “pencil brains” (a Fannie Mae spokesman’s idea of argument) with the Congressional Budget Office resisted Fannie Mae pressure to kill a report critical of the institution.
    “Reckless Endangerment” is a study of contemporary Washington, where showing “compassion” with other people’s money pays off in the currency of political power, and currency. Although Johnson left Fannie Mae years before his handiwork helped produce the 2008 bonfire of wealth, he may be more responsible for the debacle and its still-mounting devastations — of families, endowments, etc. — than any other individual. If so, he may be more culpable for the peacetime destruction of more wealth than any individual in history.
    Morgenson and Rosner report. You decide.
    georgewill@washpost.com

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    • #3
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      Lektrode, let me help you avoid embarrassing yourself further than you already have here. Those arguments have been completely debunked.

      However, the evidence does not support the second explanation. First, with respect to the CRA, the main culprits in the crisis were private sector financial institutions that were not subject to the requirements of the CRA. In the story being pushed by free market advocates, the CRA forced banks to make loans to unqualified, low-income households. When those loans blew up, it caused the financial crisis. But the largest players in the subprime market were private sector firms that were not subject to the CRA’s rules and regulations. For example, “Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.” The largest losses had nothing to do with banks covered by the CRA.

      Second, even if the banks themselves were subject to the CRA, not all loans that they made were covered by these rules. Even in banks where the CRA applied, most of the problems were in loans that did not fall under the CRA’s jurisdiction.

      Third, the CRA has been in existence since 1977. If the CRA was responsible, why didn’t the crisis occur sooner? The timing simply doesn’t match up.

      Fourth, the CRA only applies to domestic firms, but the crisis occurred in many countries. If the CRA is the problem, why did countries that had nothing like the CRA experience similar problems?

      Fifth, even if this story had any validity, both parties promoted an “ownership society,” so blaming Democrats alone is about politics, not reality.

      Thus, the evidence against the claim that the CRA was an important factor in the financial crisis is quite strong and, turning next to Fannie and Freddie, the evidence here is also compelling. First, during the important years in the build up to the crisis, from 2002 until late in 2006, Fannie and Freddie were losing subprime market share to private sector firms. For example, as noted by McClatchy News, “More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions,” and “Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.” The loss of market share ended in late 2006, but by then the crisis was already set in motion.

      Second, one of the reasons that Fannie and Freddie lost market share is that they faced more restrictions on their activities than firms in the unregulated shadow banking sector. Fannie and Freddie eventually found ways around these restrictions as they moved aggressively to prevent further loss of market share in late 2006, but prior to that time the restrictions were effective. If firms in the shadow banking sector had been subject to similar rules and regulations, and had the rules and regulations been enforced aggressively, things might have turned out very differently.

      Third, the targets for home ownership that supposedly led to Fannie and Freddie’s aggressive entry into subprime markets were set in 1992. If these targets were the problem, why didn’t the crisis occur sooner?

      Fourth, if Fannie and Freddie had never existed, securitization would have likely happened anyway. As Barry Ritholtz notes, “securitized credit card receivables, auto loans, small biz loans, etc. took place without GSEs. I assume there would likely have been a private sector version for conforming loans, the way there was a private sector securitizing response to the demand for non-conforming (sub-prime) loans.”

      The bottom line is that the case that the CRA, Fannie, and Freddie – and by implication Democrats supporting these institutions – were key players in the crisis is at odds with the evidence. Don’t get me wrong, there are lots for reasons to be concerned about Fannie and Freddie, and I'm not trying to defend them or their choices, but the idea that support of these institutions caused the financial crisis is wrong.
      You're welcome!

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      • #4
        Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

        After being invited to eat dinner in a restaurant in Los Gatos, California a few days ago, and seeing the wealth there and money flow across the tables in Los Gatos--- one of the richest of the suburbs of Silicon Valley--- one would never believe that there is a Great Recession now in the world. The ultra-rich live in their own little world, with never-ending parties, get-togethers, re-unions, banquets, vacations and celebrations--- totally oblivious to the suffering of the common people around them, and totally oblivious to what is happening now in the world.... I was shocked!

        Greed? one might ask. They might reply, "What greed? What are you talking about?"
        Last edited by Starving Steve; July 05, 2011, 12:58 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

          Originally posted by WDCRob View Post
          Lektrode, let me help you avoid embarrassing yourself further than you already have here. Those arguments have been completely debunked.



          You're welcome!
          Lektrode, here's the short version: Democrats good! Republicans baaaad!

          The ever expanding welfare state had nothing to do with our fiscal problems. Neither the insatiable demands the Empire places on the defence budget. (Empire Defence, that is.) LBJ, Jimmah Earl Carter, "Boy" Clinton, "Tip" O'neal, Jim Wright, et al, had NOTHING to do with the present mess. Subsidizing non-productive investment, (think Fannie, Freddie, Franklin Raines, etc.), repeal of Glass-Steagall (Robert Rubin's brain child) - all inconsequential to the present crisis.

          All of our problems - and they do mean ALL - can be traced back to that incarnation of evil and greed: Ronald Reagan.

          There. Now do you understand?

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          • #6
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            A response to Will's article.

            http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/...conomic-crisis

            Seriously, can't we put this clearly false meme to rest (that the CRA was in any way responsible for the crash)?
            Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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            • #7
              Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

              Raz,

              Fannie and Freddie may have been part of the problem, but the CRA never was.

              And, yes, it was a bi-partisan clusterfuck, with plenty of blame to go around between Big Government and Big FIRE.
              Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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              • #8
                Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

                Originally posted by Raz
                Lektrode, here's the short version: Democrats good! Republicans baaaad!

                The ever expanding welfare state had nothing to do with our fiscal problems. Neither the insatiable demands the Empire places on the defence budget. (Empire Defence, that is.) LBJ, Jimmah Earl Carter, "Boy" Clinton, "Tip" O'neal, Jim Wright, et al, had NOTHING to do with the present mess. Subsidizing non-productive investment, (think Fannie, Freddie, Franklin Raines, etc.), repeal of Glass-Steagall (Robert Rubin's brain child) - all inconsequential to the present crisis.

                All of our problems - and they do mean ALL - can be traced back to that incarnation of evil and greed: Ronald Reagan.

                There. Now do you understand?
                Indeed, Krugman again epic fails: he blames it all on Weill while making no mention of Robert Rubin.

                Perhaps it is because Rubin and his cabana boys Summers and Geithner are still in power while Weill is safely 'retired'.

                Or because the bankster trio above were all part of Democrat administrations.

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                • #9
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                  never mind the rest of the cast of dem aparatchiks that stood there schlurping out of the trough along side them: barney 'who me?' frank, chris dodds, maxine watters, jamie gorelick (who the wsj did a special report on in the aftermath of 9/11, who apparently was the single person most responsible for the exec order that stopped the cia and fbi from comparing notes, leading to the failure of the intelligence system to connect the dots, while the rest of the 'camelot' administration was being distracted by the stain on the lil blue dress - my understanding is that she also pulled 10's of millions in bonuses out of fan/fred )et al, ad nauseum

                  but as my grasp/recollection of all this stuff is somewhat sketchy, i do remember at least one naggingly 'inconvenient truth':
                  the former guv of NH, the ranking pub on the senate banking cmmt, john sunuku (nickname of sununu, who got the seabrook nuke station up and running after the luddite brigade shutdown construction in '76) put a bill up to reign-in fan/fred in 2005, as i think it goes and in 2006, after the dems took over the senate, dodd and the rest of em ALL VOTED AGAINST REIGNING-IN FANNIE/FREDDIE, with barney 'who me?' frank in the house, quoted as saying he "wanted to roll the dice" on the risks that were becoming glaringly obvious to anybody _not_ siphoning off the billions in bonuses????

                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

                  but ole geedubya, the redneck he is, got sucked in by ole hank, ben and timmy, and the rest is history????

                  go ahead - correct me if i'm wrong here, as i wouldnt want to suffer any more delusions that the .gov - on either side of the aisle - is going to 'save us' like they 'saved the banking system' over the past 3 years - WHAT BS!!!

                  there - i feel better now - gotta go finish raking the lawn, after finding out i missed my GD flight....

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                  • #10
                    Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

                    A Noble Prize indeed . . .

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                    • #11
                      Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

                      Originally posted by Raz View Post
                      Lektrode, here's the short version: Democrats good! Republicans baaaad!

                      The ever expanding welfare state had nothing to do with our fiscal problems. Neither the insatiable demands the Empire places on the defence budget. (Empire Defence, that is.) LBJ, Jimmah Earl Carter, "Boy" Clinton, "Tip" O'neal, Jim Wright, et al, had NOTHING to do with the present mess. Subsidizing non-productive investment, (think Fannie, Freddie, Franklin Raines, etc.), repeal of Glass-Steagall (Robert Rubin's brain child) - all inconsequential to the present crisis.

                      All of our problems - and they do mean ALL - can be traced back to that incarnation of evil and greed: Ronald Reagan.

                      There. Now do you understand?
                      Straw man much, Raz?

                      I suppose I would too if I was backing inane arguments like "the CRA was responsible for the housing meltdown."

                      Actually, scratch that. No, I wouldn't.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

                        Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                        it was a bi-partisan clusterfuck, with plenty of blame to go around between Big Government and Big FIRE.
                        For the record, I agree with this.

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                          Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

                          Originally posted by WDCRob View Post
                          Straw man much, Raz?

                          I suppose I would too if I was backing inane arguments like "the CRA was responsible for the housing meltdown."

                          Actually, scratch that. No, I wouldn't.
                          Wrong; no straw men here. A careful reading of my post will find no mention of the Community Reinvestment Act, certainly no assertion that it had anything to do with the NINA loans, Subprime debacle.

                          I should have been more careful in placing my post, WDC. I intended it to go directly below Don's first post - the Thread Starter. It was not meant to be only a reply to your post but a pointed response to Mr. Krugman, who along with our President is another example of the ongoing politically correct irrelevance of the Nobel Prize, with perhaps the exception of physics or medicine.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

                            Originally posted by Raz View Post
                            Lektrode, here's the short version: Democrats good! Republicans baaaad!
                            You didn't read what he posted at all did you? I mean it even says:

                            "Fifth, even if this story had any validity, both parties promoted an “ownership society,” so blaming Democrats alone is about politics, not reality."

                            Originally posted by Raz View Post
                            The ever expanding welfare state had nothing to do with our fiscal problems.

                            What the heck are you talking about? SS and Medicare? Medicare is getting cut and SS looks to be next, Obama who is a Democrat BTW on record saying he loves Regan, plans on shaving $1 Trillion off of these and other programs all together. And these are programs people pay into and have for decades and which were supposedly fixed to adjust for longer life spans and baby boomers by raising the FICA tax back in the 80's.

                            Originally posted by Raz View Post
                            on the defence budget. (Empire Defence,
                            This is one of those things which certainly needs to be slashed but won't.
                            Last edited by mesyn191; July 06, 2011, 09:58 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Krugman's take on Age of Greed

                              Originally posted by Raz View Post
                              Lektrode, here's the short version: Democrats good! Republicans baaaad!
                              No, Democrats are clearly at fault as much as Republicans, and the author says as much:

                              Originally posted by don View Post
                              The proximate answer, clearly, is the abdication of regulatory oversight. From junk bonds to derivatives to sub-prime mortgages, regulators either turned a blind eye or were impeded by business interests and politicians—Democrat as well as Republican.
                              Now, please construct a valid counter argument that doesn't resort to reductionist simplifications based on your view of what the author probably thinks about your faulty heroes.

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