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  • China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

    May 31st, 2011
    Implode-O-Meter Staff with
    Jeff Nielson of BullionBullsCanada.com

    The American media has done a wonderful job of ignoring the growing urban blight of most big cities in the United States. In many of the larger urban populations, the “inner cities” are poverty-filled, crime-filled wastelands – nearly uninhabitable. These ghettos are used to warehouse vast numbers of the U.S.’s rapidly growing minority groups.

    While the U.S. media brags about the “favorable demographics” of the U.S.’s growing population (compared to much of Europe and Japan), here is the reality: almost all of the “population growth” in the U.S. is occurring among these same “minorities”.

    Not only does the vast majority of this ethnic population live near or below the poverty-line, but this segment of the population suffers from a 50% high school drop-out rate. And these “minority groups” are set to become the majority of the U.S. population some time over the next 20 to 30 years. This occurs at a time when all of the good “blue collar” jobs have disappeared in the U.S., meaning that much of if not most of this segment of the population has no realistic prospect of ever escaping the poverty-trap. Obviously, the U.S.’s inner-city ghettos can only continue to grow, and spread across its cities like a cancer.

    Then there are the “ex-urbs”. During the made-in-Wall-Street housing bubble, clusters of “monster homes” mushroomed all around many U.S. urban centers. Too distant to be classified as “suburbs”, they were dubbed “exurbs”. These housing units were built based upon the premises of steadily rising wealth/income levels among middle-class Americans, and permanent, cheap gasoline – to fuel the 100+ mile round-trip daily commutes in their gas-guzzling vehicles (outfitted like living rooms).

    In other words, these homes were obsolete before many of them were even built. Millions of these housing units will simply have to be bulldozed, to put a dent in the vast oversupply of housing in the U.S. Meanwhile, the infrastructure of American cities crumbles, while cash-strapped local governments would be hard-pressed to come up with 1% of the $100’s of billions urgently needed for repairs/renovations. And as homelessness soars across the U.S., we now see “the world’s only super-power” pock-marked with “tent cities”.

    All of this is made invisible in the U.S.’s myopic media. What is most peculiar, however, is that their visual deficiencies don’t prevent these same pundits from being able to spot “ghost cities” across the Pacific, in China.

    An article which typifies such hypocrisy reported:

    These pop-up metropolises include looping miles of highways, vast apartment blocks, sprawling cultural plazas, commercial districts, and shopping centers that are bigger than downtown Reno, Nevada. The only thing missing is people.”

    The same article claimed that there are an “estimated 64 million” empty apartments in China. While that number sounds like a bit of an exaggeration, lets accept it as true. Now let’s look at the facts.

    The vast majority of China’s 1.2 billion inhabitants are still rural “peasants”. As China assumes the role of the world’s manufacturing hub, it is seeking to “urbanize” (eventually) somewhere around ¾ of a billion people. This would be nearly equivalent to building (and populating) new cities for the entire populations of Europe and North America, combined. It is nothing less than the largest planned migration in human history.

    Obviously there are only two scenarios to such growth. You can bring the people (first) to the sites of these new cities, and then try to build the cities around them; or you can build the cities first – and then bring the migrants to live in them. As for the “64 million empty apartments”, that’s enough housing for no more than a quarter of these migrants.

    What is also missing from the vacuous writing of the American media concerning these “ghost cities” is that everything is being scrupulously maintained – unlike the 20+ million empty homes in the U.S., where many if not most of these homes have been vandalized and stripped of anything of value.

    Not only is the proportion of empty homes in the U.S. greater than that of China, but there will never be buyers for millions of these units. Apart from the fact that millions of “monster homes” in the exurbs are totally obsolete, the American middle-class has been completely impoverished, while retiring baby-boomers are set to dump $trillions in real estate over the course of the next 20 years. There is no one to buy all these homes, while an essentially infinite supply swamps this market.

    Conversely, in China the current number of empty units is only a small portion of what is needed for this housing market over the next 20 years. Obviously with hundreds of millions of people migrating to urban centers, China needs a substantial number of vacant units to prevent housing “bottlenecks” from occurring.
    The reply of the U.S. propagandists is that the Chinese people will (also) never be able to “afford” housing in China. The example given was:

    “…the 50 percent down payment (on $350,000) required to own a few rooms in a ghost complex.”

    Let’s examine all of the inherent dishonesty in that short statement. First of all, the example used was for a high-end luxury unit, as obviously $350,000 is nowhere near an “average price” for an apartment in a Chinese city. And unlike the average American worker (for those who still have jobs), the average Chinese worker is seeing their wages rise rapidly, while their innate thriftiness means most already have large pools of savings.

    The Chinese population (and economy) will clearly be able to “grow into” these (well-maintained) vacant units, while the 20-million unit glut in the U.S. housing market can only grow larger over time, while vandalism and oversupply causes their property values to plummet ever lower.

    There was another aspect to the dishonesty in the above quotation, however. Note the reference to the “50 percent down payment” in China’s housing market (indeed, many units are still purchased with 100% cash). And yet despite how well-capitalized the average Chinese property owner is (relative to a U.S. homeowner), we see the same U.S. media shills writing again and again about China’s “housing bubble”.

    As I have explained in many previous commentaries, any/all asset bubbles require two ingredients: grossly excessive prices and too much leveraged debt. It is defaulting debt which always causes the subsequent “crash” associated with all bubbles (since well-capitalized asset holders can ‘weather’ any correction), thus where there is little/no leverage, it is impossible for a “bubble” to exist.

    In the U.S., nearly 30% of all mortgages are “under-water” today – meaning that even after the (first) “crash” which took place in this bubble-market, the U.S. housing market remains the most over-leveraged housing market in the history of humanity. As I just wrote in my last commentary, it will require decades for this bubble-market to ever reach a (real) “bottom”.

    What we have here is simply “A Tale of Two Countries”. On the one hand we have the U.S.: a banker-ravaged, hollowed-out economy. Its own “ghost cities” contain the largest housing glut (in proportionate terms) in the history of humanity. Vandalism and lack of maintenance is not only costing $billions per year in lost property values on these homes, but is dragging-down the property values of the (larger number of) homes surrounding them by $10’s of billions. Meanwhile, the neglected infrastructure of these bankrupt cities crumbles around these residents, and there is no prospect of these dynamics ever improving.

    Then we have China: a prosperous, growing economy – with rapidly rising incomes and vast pools of savings. Its (gleaming) “ghost cities” are being immaculately maintained in anticipation of the 100’s of millions of (employed) migrants who will want (and need) to live in them.

    Which “ghost cities” would you rather live in?

    http://blog.ml-implode.com/2011/05/t...-ghost-cities/

  • #2
    Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

    Reality is in the middle. If you think ANYTHING is scrupulously maintained in china, you haven't been there. I have eaten in the Communist Party HQ in Shanghai, stayed in the nicest hotel there, and gone to real fancy looking, brand new office palaces in the suburbs.

    All of those highest end of places, execpt maybe the touristy Bund or xien ten di areas, are VERY poorly built and maintained.

    This ritzie office building in the burbs looked like a palace, but was empty; when it rained there were rivers running through it. Doors in upper floors opened into mid air. Elevators didn't work...etc.

    The 'malls' around shianghai are largely now vacant and dark on many floors.

    I don't see too many of these cities lasting as shining examples of happy migration to come.

    On the other hand, clearly the US combination of socialist public policies/corrupt financial capitalism/decadent education which has accelerated since the 60's...has created a population nightmare.

    Only 50% of potential workers contribute to the tax base. Those wealthy enough to avoid earning wages are largely able to avoid their tax burdens as well. The tax base is wasted feeding/birthing/imprisoning unproductive and destructive subcultures, and no effort is made to educate, incentivise, or deport or otherwise eliminate the problem groups.

    The political system has been abolished by the combination of enablement of special interests, combined with allowing nonproductive members to vote.

    Thus I do see worse things ahead for the US for sure.

    If you multiplied the space program budget by a factor of 20, kept the military budget roughly the same, and simply refunded the rest of the tax dollars, the country would have a leap forward the likes of which humanity has never seen.

    Get the underclass problem under control, remove government obstacles to investment outside FIRE, and promote the states enforcement of a higher standard of corruption controls, and you'd get near utopia.

    Dream on.

    Instead, I think it is correct to say all those crappy, poorly built McMansions are going to turn to slums or worse.

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    • #3
      Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

      Originally posted by cbr View Post
      Reality is in the middle. If you think ANYTHING is scrupulously maintained in china, you haven't been there. I have eaten in the Communist Party HQ in Shanghai, stayed in the nicest hotel there, and gone to real fancy looking, brand new office palaces in the suburbs.

      Shanghai and Beijing are both near earthquake zones, and although quakes are very rare in those parts of China, but there had been quakes affecting both cities once every couple hundreds of years. With the last big quake more than 500 years ago, a quake is due and it will be scary to think what happens when it does happen.

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      • #4
        Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

        All of those highest end of places, execpt maybe the touristy Bund or xien ten di areas, are VERY poorly built and maintained.

        I was in a nice hotel in Xi'an. It looked like it had been recently renovated and looked very nice. Then I decided to take the stairs instead of the elevator one day. - What was supposedly out of view was quite shabby looking. The masonry work was solid, but with mortar oozing out all over, the electrical would not have passed an inspection in any US city.

        For construction quality I'd give them an OK rating - solid, but sloppy. For wiring I'd say it's not so good.

        I worked in the lab of a major manufacturer for a while too. The building was ok, but had no AC. The windows were open for ventilation. There was $100k of US made test equipment (Agilent) getting coated in a fine sandy dust.

        As far as "Urban blight", it is different in China, it's legal to be poor there. You can take a barrel, cut a hole in it, fill it with coal and cook pork ribs on a stick and sell them. In the US you can't do that. Many folks in China live in a manner similar to the slums of the US or hollowed out US cities. The difference is that you can live on what you make there, almost no matter how little that is.

        I'm not sure how it works, I mostly interacted with college educated professionals, but people of lower means were everywhere. I'd have to say the big thing I didn't see were people doing nothing. In the US the urban blight is quite obvious by the groups of working age males standing around looking menacing. In China I did not see idleness. Everyone seemed to have something to do - even if it was hauling a couple of boards somewhere on a bicycle (you've just got to see it to believe it).

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        • #5
          Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

          Some good posts!

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          • #6
            Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

            We just got back Asia today. I'm massively jet-lagged, but I'd agree with the posts here.

            Asia is an amazing place. Some cities like Singapore made a US city look like it was in the Stone Age. Bangkok has progressed amazingly in the past ten years.

            China's public infrastructure is indeed incredible, but they'd *better* maintain it to actually get any use! Many of the new and very expensive major highways were by-passed by the locals because the toll prices made it unaffordable.

            More tomorrow once my brains stop melting -- 28 hours of plane ride.....


            Originally posted by LorenS View Post
            I was in a nice hotel in Xi'an. It looked like it had been recently renovated and looked very nice. Then I decided to take the stairs instead of the elevator one day. - What was supposedly out of view was quite shabby looking. The masonry work was solid, but with mortar oozing out all over, the electrical would not have passed an inspection in any US city.

            For construction quality I'd give them an OK rating - solid, but sloppy. For wiring I'd say it's not so good.

            I worked in the lab of a major manufacturer for a while too. The building was ok, but had no AC. The windows were open for ventilation. There was $100k of US made test equipment (Agilent) getting coated in a fine sandy dust.

            As far as "Urban blight", it is different in China, it's legal to be poor there. You can take a barrel, cut a hole in it, fill it with coal and cook pork ribs on a stick and sell them. In the US you can't do that. Many folks in China live in a manner similar to the slums of the US or hollowed out US cities. The difference is that you can live on what you make there, almost no matter how little that is.

            I'm not sure how it works, I mostly interacted with college educated professionals, but people of lower means were everywhere. I'd have to say the big thing I didn't see were people doing nothing. In the US the urban blight is quite obvious by the groups of working age males standing around looking menacing. In China I did not see idleness. Everyone seemed to have something to do - even if it was hauling a couple of boards somewhere on a bicycle (you've just got to see it to believe it).

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            • #7
              Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

              Check it: NEW SATELLITE PICTURES OF CHINA'S GHOST CITIES

              http://www.businessinsider.com/chine...es-2011-5?op=1

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              • #8
                Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

                Originally posted by doom&gloom View Post
                Check it: NEW SATELLITE PICTURES OF CHINA'S GHOST CITIES

                http://www.businessinsider.com/chine...es-2011-5?op=1

                Ghost cities are yesterday's news. Now, it's about ghost companies listed on the American stock exchanges -
                http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=china

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                • #9
                  Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

                  A good opportunity to film some post-apocalypse movies.

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                  • #10
                    Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

                    I am going to Beijing in a little over a week. What is the nearest "ghost city" I can go visit? I would love to take pictures.

                    Do you have any suggestions on what else to see? I am making this an 'economic research' trip. However, I have no idea what I am doing.

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                    • #11
                      Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

                      Originally posted by aaron View Post
                      I am going to Beijing in a little over a week. What is the nearest "ghost city" I can go visit? I would love to take pictures.

                      Do you have any suggestions on what else to see? I am making this an 'economic research' trip. However, I have no idea what I am doing.

                      Beijing is the CCP showcase, there's not much point going there except to visit the Forbidden City and the Great Wall of china.

                      You won't find ghost cities or complexes within the city itself or near the hotel you stay as they are usually built outside the city proper. You have got to travel out of the city.

                      I would suggest taking the latest high speed rail from Beijing to Shanghai. You could see a lot of the countryside this way.
                      Last edited by touchring; June 23, 2011, 08:23 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: China's Ghost Cities- In the Eye of the Beholder

                        Originally posted by touchring View Post
                        ....I would suggest taking the latest high speed rail from Beijing to Shanghai. You could see a lot of the countryside this way.

                        and please aaron - DONT FORGET TO SHARE WITH PIX US WHEN YOU GET BACK

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