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    "A few months ago in Atlanta I ran into Tom Vilsack, our Secretary of Agriculture. Tom told me about a governor who was unable to move forward on the construction of a power plant. The reason was telling. It wasn't a lack of funds. It wasn't a lack of support. It was a lack of qualified welders.
    In high schools, the vocational arts have all but vanished. We've elevated the importance of "higher education" to such a lofty perch that all other forms of knowledge are now labeled "alternative." Millions of parents and kids see apprenticeships and on-the-job-training opportunities as "vocational consolation prizes," best suited for those not cut out for a four-year degree. And still, we talk about millions of "shovel ready" jobs for a society that doesn't encourage people to pick up a shovel.

    In a hundred different ways, we have slowly marginalized an entire category of critical professions, reshaping our expectations of a "good job" into something that no longer looks like work. A few years from now, an hour with a good plumber -- if you can find one -- is going to cost more than an hour with a good psychiatrist. At which point we'll all be in need of both.

    I came here today because guys like my grandfather are no less important to civilized life than they were 50 years ago. Maybe they're in short supply because we don't acknowledge them they way we used to. We leave our check on the kitchen counter, and hope the work gets done. That needs to change."

    http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/13...creator-o.html

    I remember how gobsmacked I was when a provincial Education Minister in Canada said " no-one dreams of their kid becoming a plumber." The ignorance of that remark coming from those quarters outrages me still.

    If anything good comes from our wandering around for a couple of decades - donkey trailing behind, pots and pans clanging - it'll be the death of this bullshit.

    Just be useful.

    And that's coming from a (happy) philosophy grad with suspiciously smooth hands.

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    it's worth noting that germany, probably the most successful developed economy [of size] these days, has an elaborate system of apprenticeships and trade education.

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      Another technique used is to limit the number of new plumbers, welders, pipe fitters, etc. to keep wages high. Doesn't surprise me, its near impossible to get an apprenticeship or the training nowadays to become a vocational/technical worker.

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        Excellent article. Amazing how many people don't have a clue what plumbers earn before they mouth off. Charging $200+ hour is not uncommon. Why? Because finding qualified people is so hard today, thats why. Some would be shocked to know that there are people out there who LIKE working with their hands, creating something useful, and being their own boss. Not having to pull up roots every three or four years to follow some corporate ladder is a plus too. As well as job security.

        I am a simple residential electrical service contractor. Low on the overall scale of electrical skills but I have to be a salesman, psychiatrist, accountant, marketing specialist, among other things. All too often today people think they can take a shortcut, skip any training, and just throw a warm body out there to perform these type of jobs. Welding is a particular skill. You don't become a good welder in two weeks. Many don't know that.

        There is something wrong with an America that looks down on skilled trades as something not worth pursuing. We all want something better for our kids. But they can't all be CEOs, sports stars, singers, and reality show personalities.

        I have another theory about the lack of well trained technical people. The average American has become so removed from any semblance of "how things work" that they don't see the difference between a skilled technician and a amateur flunky. They've never so much as changed a door knob. So to them, a technician merely take a "thingy" and does some simple twisting, etc, and voila! Its done. So simple its beneath them and not even worth bothering to learn. "Anyone can do it" is the general theme here.

        So why should American young people learn a skilled trade? A) They'll be looked down upon and B) people will just hire the " jack of all trades, master of none" guy who has no training for less money. Even large companies try to get away with this. They put so much emphasis on low pay that they've come to accept go backs and customer complaints as normal. Something unavoidable. Why? Because some of the people running those companies don't know anything about what they are doing either. Last year they were selling time shares, now they run a mechanical contracting business. I see it first hand.

        Those who play by the rules and get the proper training see their wages depressed by this short cut mentality, so they move on to something else and encourage their sons to stay away. Thats why plumbers charge $200 hour. There are not enough good ones left.

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          Originally posted by chr5648 View Post
          Another technique used is to limit the number of new plumbers, welders, pipe fitters, etc. to keep wages high. Doesn't surprise me, itsar impossible to get an apprenticeship or the training nowadays to become a vocational/technical worker.
          That certainly doesn't apply around Atlanta. Unions are not particularly strong here, perhaps that is why. What is lacking is any serious training facilities. The little formal training I had was a joke. Very basic. Companies are reluctant to invest in any training. Its expensive. In my opinion an apprentice electrician is next to worthless as anything other than a helper for at least 2 to 3 years. Doubly so for commercial/industrial. Even a small mistake can be serious.

          I wouldn't trust anyone to work on my home without at least 5 years experience. How many want to carry someone for 4 years only to see him go off and leave when he gets a license? Or worse, steal your business? The really good techs are potential competitors if your own a small business. One I worked for didn't want great techs. He wanted those good enough but not smart enough to go off and start their own business!

          I think the bigger reason for the shortage is Americans love of their physical comfort, as well as the lack of status in manual jobs. People will go work out for hours at a gym but hate to sweat when they work. And frankly wages for entry level are pretty low. Kids today don't want to pay their dues and actually learn the job. They want something they can jump in and start earning right away.

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            Originally posted by flintlock View Post
            The average American has become so removed from any semblance of "how things work"
            When people ask, what is the greatest invention that helps mankind, some will say the computer, some will say the cell phone, I say it's indoor plumbing. Let me take your computer, your cell phone, and your indoor plumbing away for 2 weeks and at the end of those 2 weeks I'll give you one back. Which one do you thing people will be begging to have back?

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              The long-established antipathy between physical labor and mental labor is exacerbated in a financialized economy. The classical economists had much to say about this, not so with the neoliberal apologists. Factor in the recent flood of undocumented workers swamping the building trades during the bubble and labor value depreciation abounds.

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                Originally posted by flintlock View Post

                I am a simple residential electrical service contractor. Low on the overall scale of electrical skills but I have to be a salesman, psychiatrist, accountant, marketing specialist, among other things.
                I agree with you and think we do underestimate each other's work. I am working on a business development project for a small company. At one time you could do a lot of mailings make a lot of calls and then let the percentages work. Today for effective demand generation you need to know the macro economy, know how to market, target position, present etc... This convergence of skills will be necessary for success.

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                  Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                  That certainly doesn't apply around Atlanta. Unions are not particularly strong here, perhaps that is why. What is lacking is any serious training facilities. The little formal training I had was a joke. Very basic. Companies are reluctant to invest in any training. Its expensive. In my opinion an apprentice electrician is next to worthless as anything other than a helper for at least 2 to 3 years. Doubly so for commercial/industrial. Even a small mistake can be serious.
                  That is probably true in NJ, a buddy of mine had to wait 6 years to get into a 5 year apprenticeship in pipe fitting, and his father is in the union, he couldn't even help him. What are the chances the average young man will have opportunities in these types of fields? small.

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                    Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                    When people ask, what is the greatest invention that helps mankind, some will say the computer, some will say the cell phone, I say it's indoor plumbing. Let me take your computer, your cell phone, and your indoor plumbing away for 2 weeks and at the end of those 2 weeks I'll give you one back. Which one do you thing people will be begging to have back?
                    Totally agree. Flashing toilet is one of the greatest inventions ever. Btw, who invented this miracle?

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                      Originally posted by ER59 View Post
                      Totally agree. Flashing toilet is one of the greatest inventions ever. Btw, who invented this miracle?
                      Was it Crapper?

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                        Originally posted by ER59 View Post
                        Totally agree. Flashing toilet is one of the greatest inventions ever. Btw, who invented this miracle?
                        Originally posted by don View Post
                        Was it Crapper?
                        Ba dum dum

                        It depends on how particularly you define "flush toilet".

                        Around 2800 B.C. the cities of the Harrappan civilization had brick toilets with wooden seats connected to a water-fed sewer system. The toilets themselves did not have a pressurized water flush, however, relying on gravity to reach the sewer water below. Similar systems later appeared in Egypt, Crete, Persia, Rome, etc.

                        In 1206, Al-Jazari invented a hand-washing automaton; when activated by a lever, the water basin would drain and then refill.

                        Sir John Harington is generally credited with inventing the modern flush toilet, after describing one installed at his home in 1596.

                        Numerous other inventors added improvements over the years. Thomas Crapper's company installed toilets in the 1880's. Despite popular folklore, the word crap has Middle English origins (and probably Dutch and French before that) and first appeared in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1846.

                        The more you know...

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