Libya a Proxy War to Checkmate Chinese in Africa? Hillary Clinton's Comment

[World Traveler]

This has been mentioned in other threads - Western powers appear to want to checkmate China's growing influence in Africa.

In light of that, Hillary Clinton's recent comments during an interview are interesting:

... The Obama administration has been ratcheting up the rhetoric on China's human rights record lately, especially since the arrest of the dissident Ai Weiwei, but Secretary Clinton, in our interview, went much further, questioning the long-term viability of the one-party system. After she referred to China's human rights record as "deplorable" (itself a ratcheting up of the rhetoric), I noted that the Chinese government seemed scared of the Arab rising. To which she responded: "Well, they are. They're worried, and they are trying to stop history, which is a fool's errand. They cannot do it. But they're going to hold it off as long as possible."

The entire interview is interesting. Hillary comes down pretty hard on China.

Is the Chinese-U.S. MAD scenario just a little bit closer? Comments in article appear to indicate that U.S. is trying to challenge China's global reach.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...errand/238591/




Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/hilla...#ixzz1M06tAPfC

[BiscayneSunrise]

Re: Libya a Proxy War to Checkmate Chinese in Africa? Hillary Clinton's Comment

Hillary has it wrong. The Chinese aren't trying to stop history, they are making history.

The Chinese Are invading Africa with major presence in Egypt, Kenya, Angola, Nigeria Mauritius and others. There are more Chinese in Africa now than there were Europeans at the height of colonialism.
The main difference between Chinese and the west is that china has trillions to spend to lock in favorable natural resource contracts no questions asked of the local dictator. While the Arab Spring is making political history, the Chinese are making economic history. And no matter which way the chips fall on these revolutions the Chinese are waiting to greet the surviving political group with a fat checkbook.

[Slimprofits]

Re: Libya a Proxy War to Checkmate Chinese in Africa? Hillary Clinton's Comment

The first thing you need to know about this article is the interviewer is a neocon nut. Jonah Goldberg. Look at some his articles from the past, notably about Iran.

JG: And (the Chinese) are acting very scared right now, in fact.

HRC: Well, they are. They're worried, and they are trying to stop history, which is a fool's errand. They cannot do it. But they're going to hold it off as long as possible.

What evidence is there that the Chinese are acting very scared? Anyone care to venture a guess as to what Goldberg is talking about?

HRC: Of course, but that's true in any society. You can go into neighborhoods in the United States where people dress a certain way because they don't want to be out of touch, where boys wear pants down to their knees, which nobody has compelled them to do but they pick up the cultural norms, or where girls are improperly dressed by my eyes, but that's what they see in the media.

Here is Hilary talking about the EJ's "Bullhorn" / Joe Bageant's "Hologram"....

~ American culture is created by the Corporate Mass Media.
~ The conditioning starts as soon as the child is propped down in front of the television for the first time

HRC: Well, of course I would. But it's not possible. The second issue is the dispersal of power through information that was unimagined a decade ago, let alone 50 years ago. So even if you thought you could just deal with one guy in one country and you could check it off your list of concerns, that's impossible now. The way technology has exploded means that we are all living in a totally different environment. It has changed everything. And to pretend otherwise, that there's some kind of great doctrine out there that can be taken from the heavens and imposed upon the global national body, is just not realistic anymore.

I can't wrap my head around this. What is she talking about, this second issue?

HRC: ...We believe there are certain economic systems that work better for the vast majority of people than other subsystems. So I think we're very consistent. I think that's been a cornerstone of American foreign policy for at least the last century.

(sarcasm) But, but, but I thought American foreign policy changed with each new administration and the handing of power from one party to another? (/sarcasm)

JG: Come to the Middle East peace process for one second. The Israelis and a lot of their supporters in America will say, "See, the Arab revolt proves that the people were not upset about Palestinians; they're upset about a lack of accountability in our governments, etc., economic opportunity --"

This interviewer is a hoot:

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsIte...2/Default.aspx

The results of a public opinion poll conducted in Egypt following the fall of dictator Hosni Mubarak show that the majority of Egyptians want to annul their nation's peace treaty with neighboring Israel.

Conducted by the Pew Research Center, the survey revealed that 54 percent of Egyptians don't want peace with Israel, and will support a candidate who advocates annulling the Camp David Accords.

*****

By the way, I first found this article via Longreads.com. Longreads is something you all might want to check out. Here's how they describe themselves: Longreads posts links to new stories every day — they include long-form journalism, magazine stories from your favorite publications (The New Yorker, Esquire, The Atlantic), short stories, interview transcripts, and even historical documents. (For the record: Longreads are typically more than 1,500 words.)

[Chris Coles]

Re: Libya a Proxy War to Checkmate Chinese in Africa? Hillary Clinton's Comment

Just imagine that, instead of spending a vast fortune on their military, the US had instead gone out and done what China is doing, but several decades ago? That the US State Department took the worst foreign policy decisions imaginable, is now coming home to roost. They cannot now blame their decisions on another nations decision not to follow their lead.

[don]

Re: Libya a Proxy War to Checkmate Chinese in Africa? Hillary Clinton's Comment

Paul Craig Roberts take on Hilary:

In Orwell’s prophecy, Big Brother’s government rules over unquestioning people, incapable of independent thought, who are constantly spied upon. In 1949 there was no Internet, Facebook, twitter, GPS, etc. Big Brother’s spying was done through cameras and microphones in public areas, as in England today, and through television equipped with surveillance devices in homes. As everyone thought what the government intended for them to think, it was easy to identify the few who had suspicions.

Fear and war were used to keep everyone in line, but not even Orwell anticipated Homeland Security feeling up the genitals of air travelers and shopping center customers. Every day in people’s lives, there came over the TV the Two Minutes of Hate. An image of Emmanuel Goldstein, a propaganda creation of the Ministry of Truth, who is designated as Oceania’s Number One Enemy, appeared on the screen.
Goldstein was the non-existent “enemy of the state” whose non-existent organization, “The Brotherhood,” was Oceania’s terrorist enemy. The Goldstein Threat justified the “Homeland Security” that violated all known Rights of Englishmen and kept Oceania’s subjects “safe.”

Since 9/11, with some diversions into Sheik Mohammed and Mohamed Atta, the two rivals to bin Laden as the “Mastermind of 9/11,” Osama bin Laden has played the 21st century roll of Emmanuel Goldstein. Now that the Obama Regime has announced the murder of the modern-day Goldstein, a new demon must be constructed before Oceania’s wars run out of justifications.

Hillary Clinton, the low-grade moron who is US Secretary of State, is busy at work making China the new enemy of Oceania. China is Amerika’s largest creditor, but this did not inhibit the idiot Hilary from, this week in front of high Chinese officials, denouncing China for “human rights violations” and for the absence of democracy.
While Hilary was enjoying her rant and displaying unspeakable Amerkan hypocrisy, Homeland Security thugs had organized local police and sheriffs in a small town that is the home of Western Illinois University and set upon peaceful students who were enjoying their annual street party. There was no rioting, no property damage, but the riot police or Homeland Security SWAT teams showed up with sound cannons, gassed the students and beat them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufKv-5t0t4E

(appears to be a training exercise)

Indeed, if anyone pays any attention to what is happening in Amerika today, a militarized police and Homeland Security are destroying constitutional rights of peaceful assembly, protest, and free speech.

For practical purposes, the U.S. Constitution no longer exists. The police can beat, taser, abuse, and falsely arrest American citizens and experience no adverse consequences.

The executive branch of the federal government, to whom we used to look to protect us from abuses at the state and local level, acquired the right under the Bush regime to ignore both US and international law, along with the US Constitution and the constitutional powers of Congress and the judiciary. As long as there is a “state of war,” such as the open-ended “war on terror,” the executive branch is higher than the law and is unaccountable to law. Amerika is not a democracy, but a country ruled by an executive branch Caesar.

Hillary, of course, like the rest of the U.S. Government, is scared by the recent International Monetary Fund (IMF) report that China will be the most powerful economy in five years.

Just as the military/security complex pressured President John F. Kennedy to start a war with the Soviet Union over the Cuban missile crisis while the US still had the nuclear advantage, Hillary is now moving China into the role of Emmanuel Goldstein. Hate has to be mobilized, before Washington can move the ignorant patriotic masses to war.

How can Oceania continue if the declared enemy, Osama bin Laden, is dead. Big Brother must immediately invent another “enemy of the people.”

But Hillary, being a total idiot, has chosen a country that has other than military weapons. While the Amerikans support “dissidents” in China, who are sufficiently stupid to believe that democracy exists in Amerika, the insulted Chinese government sits on $2 trillion in US dollar-denominated assets that can be dumped, thus destroying the US dollar’s exchange value and the dollar as reserve currency, the main source of US power.

Hillary, in an unprecedented act of hypocrisy, denounced China for “human rights violations.” This from a country that has violated the human rights of millions of victims in our own time in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, secret CIA prisons dotted all over the planet, in US courts of law, and in the arrests and seizure of documents of American war protestors. There is no worst violator of human rights on the planet than the US government, and the world knows it.

The hubris and arrogance of US policymakers, and the lies that they inculcate in the American public, have exposed Washington to war with the most populous country on earth, a country that has a military alliance with Russia, which has sufficient nuclear weapons to wipe out all life on earth. The scared idiots in Washington are desperate to set up China as the new Osama bin Laden, the figure of two minutes of hate every news hour, so that the World’s Only Superpower can take out the Chinese before they surpass the US as the Number One Power.

No country on earth has a less responsible government and a less accountable government than the Americans. However, Americans will defend their own oppression, and that of the world, to the bitter end.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=24715

[don]

Re: Libya a Proxy War to Checkmate Chinese in Africa? Hillary Clinton's Comment

sometimes a picture is enough . . .

Rebels Close to Controlling Libyan Airport