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    The way housing is measured through the Bureau of Labor and Statistics (BLS) is troubling because it completely understates what is really happening with actual home values. For many years, especially during the bubble I drew attention to this thorn of a fact because many in high places were pointing to the CPI as being stable and actually reflecting reality. The Federal Reserve prides itself with being masters of price stability. But what if you are not measuring what you claim to be measuring? That is what started to happen in 1983 when it came to housing. In 1983 the BLS shifted the way it calculated the housing portion of the CPI by using an owner’s equivalent of rent. In other words, how much would you get if you rent your house out. This flawed methodology has come back to bite us in many ways but was completely intentional. It is no coincidence that only one year before in 1982 the Garn–St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 was passed and this allowed for adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) that understated the monthly payment but allowed home prices to inflate. By calculating a rental equivalent the BLS understated inflation for many years, especially during the bubble years. Part of this is cynical in nature to slam those on fixed incomes like Social Security that actually depend on cost of living adjustments. If inflation doesn’t exist, then no cost of living adjustments. The wealthy do not rely on these little items so it is inconsequential but the majority of American families do depend on this data being accurate. Let us take a look at how flawed this measure is.


    The BLS measure of housing

    Source: The Mess that Greenspan Made

    The above chart highlights the massive disconnect between the CPI and actual home values. You see that in the 1980s we did suffer a minor housing bubble which led to the savings and loans crisis. Yet that was small relative to what we faced a decade later starting in 1997. From 1997 to 2007 the CPI completely missed the once in a lifetime housing bubble. How did this happen? Well think about what the owner’s equivalent of rent (OER) measures. It basically measures what you would pay in rent for the home you are living in. Well this completely misses the fact that ARMs in the flavor of option ARMs for example actually allowed people to pay $500,000 for a tiny cardboard box that would rent for $1,000 or less. The real price of the home with a 30 year fixed mortgage actually carries a much higher cost, possibly of $3,000 to $4,000 a month. This is why price-to-rent ratios absolutely matter. If our central bank is going to make decade long monetary changes they should be using metrics that actually measure reality instead of some biased approach.

    If the CPI understated the housing bubble nationwide you can only imagine what it did in bubble states like California. The year-over-year changes I believe highlight this disconnect clearly:



    I decided to breakout the CPI housing component and measure it against the Case-Shiller 20 City Home Price Index. Now keep in mind what each of these items is focusing on. The Case-Shiller Index measures repeat home sales for the same home. This is one of the most accurate ways of measuring home prices in my opinion because you are looking at the same home over time. The blue line looks at the CPI housing component. It is important to note that housing makes up over 40 percent of the index so slight changes here impact the entire weighting of the CPI.

    You can see for yourself that from 2001 the Case-Shiller was showing annual home price changes of 10 to over 15 percent! Yet the CPI never registered an annual increase of higher than 5 percent! In fact in many years it was registering annual changes of 2 or 3 percent which is completely absurd. Yet rents over this time did run sideways because people who pay rent actually use real world wages and in the real world, incomes went stagnant. Plus, why would you rent when anyone can play the housing lottery? Go in with nothing down and see what happens. The only reason the actual price of the home soared was the introduction of toxic mortgages with high leverage, the Federal Reserve artificially holding interest rates low, and a basic sense of graft and speculation throughout the entire country.

    Now we already know what happened. But what is interesting is what is now happening. Rents initially started falling as the recession started which is to be expected. But rents seem to be ebbing higher right now even as home prices fall. Why is that?
    -1. As more people lose their homes, they are seeking the only option they may have and that is a rental.
    -2. Many cannot afford to buy and the only option available is government backed loans that at the very least, look at income which has been stagnant.
    -3. You may have people making a more intentional decision to rent instead of buying because of the pain that occurred with the current housing market.
    This is temporary in my view but could last a few years until the distressed inventory is worked out. We have never had so many people lose their homes on a nationwide scale. Right now all we are measuring is what someone would pay to rent their own home. For two full decades the entire measure was a sham and all it took was one mega housing bubble to distort the entire measure. The chart above is clear and shows home prices going down and rents slightly moving up on a nationwide basis. Yet other items like energy, food, and healthcare are eating up a larger portion of families’ disposable income. The CPI measure does not accurately reflect what is happening with housing values, even today.

    The Federal Reserve prides itself with price stability. If that is the case, it needs to base decisions on metrics that actually measure what is happening in real time. That is, at one point nearly 70 percent of American households owned their home, with a mortgage mind you, yet they were using rental equivalency as a way to value a home? Those in these places will claim economists back these metrics but these are the same economists that missed the technology and housing bubbles and many who are hired by big investment banks. Two for two in that arena and not exactly unbiased.

    Yet another point I would like to make is the fact that 30 to 40 percent of all purchases (depending on the market) are being conducted with FHA insured loans. These only require 3.5 percent down and the majority of these buyers are putting that amount down. Yet the real estate industry has pushed policies to keep selling fees up to 5 or 6 percent. In other words, all the tens of thousands of people buying today are starting from a negative equity position. If it costs 5 to 6 percent to sell off the top and you only put 3.5 percent down, you are in a negative equity spot. And what if home prices move lower as they are?

    But let us look at another measure of housing for Los Angeles and add it to the graph above:



    Look at the Home Price Index (HPI) for L.A. which is conservative but even with that, you can see that in one year the HPI for Los Angeles went up by a mind boggling 30 percent! Yet you can see the blue line CPI just moving sideways like a crab. As they say, don’t believe everything you read or hear.

    http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/h...housing-costs/

  • #2
    Re: The Rental Housing Question

    In trying to understand some sort of fundamentals which might indicate a hopefully reasonable value of a property, I've been studying not just an area's median income and demographics via census, not just the current publicly recorded financing on an area's individual homes, but also neighborhood characteristics, conveniences, etc, but especially rents, with respect for historic trends as shown in price to rent ratios and also local qualities effecting rents such as seasonal demand, job base, university population, etc.

    I'm not yet convinced any of that adds up to much.

    Following are price to rent ratios I've found online during my research. Some sources listed last.

    Note that discrepancies in similar years simply indicate different sources.

    Data shown as

    date (ratio) locality

    Peak (23.5) local - mid-west coast Florida
    Peak (21.4) local
    1953 to 1997 (12) 20-MSA
    1953-1997 (11.4 to 13.8) national average
    1986 to 1997 (14) 20-MSA
    1988-1991 (17.7) local average
    1989-2003 (12.4) local average
    1989-2003 (13.31) local 15-year average
    1992 – 2007 (14.5) local 15-year avg
    1993-2008 (14.9) local 15-year avg
    1998 (15.39) local
    2000 (12) local
    1st quarter 2000 (12.4) local
    2005 (23.6) local
    1st half 2005 (25) local
    4th quarter 2005 (23.6) local
    June 2007 (21.4) local
    2007 (21) local
    1st quarter 2008 (19.3) local
    2008 (17.5) local
    3rd quarter 2008 (16.90) local
    2009 4th quarter (14.3) local
    3rd quarter 2009 (14.46) local
    1st quarter 2010 (14.68) local
    June 2010 (14.63) local
    2nd quarter 2010 (14) local
    3rd quarter 2010 (13.1) local
    3rd quarter 2010 (13.08) local
    Dec 2010 (13.82) local

    My summer 2009 purchase price plus executed and planned improvements? Price to rent ratio of 7.59 and I think I got ripped off.


    Sources (pardon please any duplications)


    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/20/business/20100420-rent-ratios-table.html

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/02/22/133624349/should-you-rent-or-buy?ft=1&f=1006



    http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/02/10/Rent-table.pdf


    http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/07/real_estate/price_to_rent.moneymag/index.htm

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/01/04/rent-vs-own-ratio-to-flip-in-2011/?section=magazines_fortune

    http://www.time.com/time/pricerentratio/pricerentratio.html

    http://info.trulia.com/index.php?s=43&item=113

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19077060/Reconstructing-American-Home-Values-Dan-Alpert-Westwood-Capital

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/real-estate/

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/20/business/20100420-rent-ratios-table.html?ref=economy

    http://www.housingboombust.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/20-msa-price-to-rent-ratios1.jpg

    http://articles.ocregister.com/2008-06-24/business/24718577_1_rent-ratio-metro-markets/2

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/19/real_estate/investment_prop/cuckoo_condos3_0509/

    http://money.cnn.com/real_estate/storysupplement/price_to_rent/

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/01/04/rent-vs-own-ratio-to-flip-in-2011/

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/rent-ratio/

    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/price_rent_ratios/

    http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/05/28/business/20080528_LEONHARDT_GRAPHIC.html

    http://www.time.com/time/pricerentratio/pricerentratio.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/20/business/20100420-rent-ratios-table.html?ref=economy?partner=yahoofinance

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Are+homes+overvalued%3f+A+comparison+of+apartment+ rents+versus+home+...-a0168180746

    etc. etc.

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    • #3
      Re: The Rental Housing Question

      for those who might not know what the price-rent ratio is:

      • The price-rent ratio is the average cost of ownership divided by the received rent income (if buying to let) or the estimated rent that would be paid if renting (if buying to reside):


      The latter is often measured using the "owner's equivalent rent" numbers published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It can be viewed as the real estate equivalent of stocks' price-earnings ratio; in other terms it measures how much the buyer is paying for each dollar of received rent income (or dollar saved from rent spending). Rents, just like corporate and personal incomes, are generally tied very closely to supply and demand fundamentals; one rarely sees an unsustainable "rent bubble" (or "income bubble" for that matter). Therefore a rapid increase of home prices combined with a flat renting market can signal the onset of a bubble. The U.S. price-rent ratio was 18% higher than its long-run average as of October 2004. (Wikipedia)

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      • #4
        Re: The Rental Housing Question

        File under You Can't Make This Sh*t Up


        Ronald Robert Todd


        A Sacramento area man who owns property in Shasta County said he was trying to collect rent money from two Igo-Ono-area tenants when he allegedly kidnapped them at gunpoint earlier this month, says a Shasta County sheriff's report.

        Ronald Robert Todd, 52, who remains in Shasta County jail in lieu of $1.15 million bail, was arrested April 4 on suspicion of kidnapping, robbery and other charges after he allegedly pulled a handgun on the pair and forced them to accompany him to withdraw money from an ATM at Win River Casino.

        New details in the case were revealed in a Shasta County Sheriff's report filed in Shasta County Superior Court.

        Todd's tenants, Dorje Chan and Denise Leann Clarke, ages not provided, told deputies their landlord showed up at their Straight Arrow Road residence around 1:30 p.m. on April 4 and demanded rent money.

        When they were unable to give him the full amount owed, Todd held them against their will with a 9 mm handgun, the sheriff's report says. Chan also said that Todd struck him in the head with a flashlight.

        After Todd drove the pair to Win-River, the sheriff's report said, they went to a Cypress Avenue credit union.

        There, Todd told the two to stay in his Jeep while he went inside to deposit the $200 he had collected from them, the report said.

        But they did not comply, instead walking to a nearby grocery store to report their alleged abduction.

        Deputies quickly arrived and Todd was found sitting in his Jeep in front of the credit union, the sheriff's report said.

        Todd initially denied that there were any firearms in the Jeep, but he surrendered and a subsequent search turned up an unloaded 9 mm handgun underneath the driver's seat, the report said.

        A magazine with one live round of 9 mm ammunition also was found in Todd's left rear pants pocket, the report said.

        Todd has pleaded not guilty to two felony counts of first-degree residential robbery, two counts of kidnapping for robbery, one count of assault with a deadly weapon and a special enhancement. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for April 20.

        (Mr Todd's price to rent ratio on the property was not disclosed )

        http://www.redding.com/news/2011/apr...ce=patrick.net

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        • #5
          Re: The Rental Housing Question

          The price to rent ratio is itself not particularly informative.

          When housing prices shoot up, they exert upward pressure on rents.

          When housing prices fall, they are buoyed to some extent by rents.

          In turn rents are also affected by housing prices: it is easier to charge higher than market rents in an expensive area.

          What really matters is rent and/or housing payment ratios to income.

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          • #6
            Re: The Rental Housing Question

            Originally posted by don View Post
            Ronald Robert Todd, 52, who remains in Shasta County jail in lieu of $1.15 million bail...

            (Mr Todd's price to rent ratio on the property was not disclosed )
            Whatever it was, his underhand has since increased his overhead.

            Originally posted by c1ue View Post
            The price to rent ratio is itself not particularly informative....What really matters is rent and/or housing payment ratios to income.
            Certainly in this market I wouldn't pay a price based even on a long-term average p/r (though I did sell one in this at that), but, unless the character of an area has been considerably altered by, say, white flight or gentrification, then wouldn't its median income be relatively a constant such that--aside from your reasonable considerations of towing or bouying prices, and I'm assuming interest rates being another--the p/r could be utilized as some sort of fundamental measure? Again, I'm not convinced or arguing it is, I'm just trying to understand how to think about this.

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            • #7
              Re: The Rental Housing Question

              Originally posted by hcs
              Certainly in this market I wouldn't pay a price based even on a long-term average p/r (though I did sell one in this at that), but, unless the character of an area has been considerably altered by, say, white flight or gentrification, then wouldn't its median income be relatively a constant such that--aside from your reasonable considerations of towing or bouying prices, and I'm assuming interest rates being another--the p/r could be utilized as some sort of fundamental measure? Again, I'm not convinced or arguing it is, I'm just trying to understand how to think about this.
              Not at all.

              For one thing, both housing prices and rents are heavily skewed by events which are only vaguely related to median income.

              Some examples: Even were median income constant, variation of interest rates affects housing prices. Ditto credit.

              Rents in turn are affected by the employment rate. You could have an identical median income, but with a rising unemployment rate especially among the below median earners - you'd have heavy pressure on rents.

              Another example is the total residential housing value vs. GDP ratio: in the '70s it was 0.8; today it is around 1.4. Clearly then a P/R ratio cannot be accurate if one side of the equation is being fundamentally altered - arguably rents must be some function of GDP as rents are salary/cash flow related while housing prices are credit and interest rate related.

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              • #8
                Re: The Rental Housing Question

                I'd already acknowledged understanding "interest rates (to be) another" important variable (and I will research past interest rates & collate that with what dates and p/r ratios I've found to see if there is a discernable pattern indicating corelation. Though I sort of knew it, this aspect was driven into me by reading this very forum and I thank all for that. I mentioned employment when I noted the "job base" of an area as well as population trends (student enrollment of a large local university which might effect housing (ownership and rental) prices for example, or seasonal rent effects of a tourist town, etc.--but to clarify, generally, the ebb and flow of immigration/emigration whether caused by job opportunities such as a boom & bust construction industry or whether that population itself encourages its own economic growth or demise ie ghost towns. Regardless, it seems to me that employment and population would effect similarly both home prices and rents, thus the p/r ratio. As well, none of that on their own fit into a neat little formula that I know of for deriving a fundamental measure of property values. So even knowing those other things (which I otherwise would have assumed baked into the p/r ratio), the question remains: how do you know what to pay (or when--if ever--to buy)?

                I also understand now through a very stupid yet expensive life lesson how rents rose and fell with these bubbles about which I am still trying to understand, as I watched a higher-end property I had go from a selling price of about $700/sq ft when it collected about $2/sq ft/month rent to a $360/sq ft selling price collecting about $1.30/sq ft. However, rents which collapse by 35% fail to convince me that the price which sunk 49% had been buoyed by much if at all.

                I had never before looked at house values/GDP and will study that. Your comment about "rents are salary/cash flow related while housing prices are credit and interest rate related" is interesting but on first glance I'm not sure those two parts wash in isolation. Seems some permeability there as well. So now the only thing about this I'm certain of is that you've given me more to consider.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Rental Housing Question

                  Originally posted by hcs
                  I had never before looked at house values/GDP and will study that. Your comment about "rents are salary/cash flow related while housing prices are credit and interest rate related" is interesting but on first glance I'm not sure those two parts wash in isolation. Seems some permeability there as well. So now the only thing about this I'm certain of is that you've given me more to consider.
                  Certainly there is some relationship between the ability to pay rent and incomes.

                  However, while I won't pretend to know the precise relationship, I do believe the differences lie in the demographic quintiles.

                  Those in the top 2 quintiles (40%) generally all buy.

                  Those in the bottom 2 quintiles (40%) generally rent. Note however that I would exclude those in these quintiles who have lots of money but no official income.

                  Those in the middle quintile (20%) can be either.

                  Thus median income itself doesn't mean anything - What matters is the median income within the respective socio-economic group.

                  Given this framework, you can see there are significant differences between how the economy of an area affects the top quintiles vs. the bottom. Detroit is probably a good example where the top quintiles did more or less ok from 1970 until 2006, but the lower quintiles did worse and worse over time.

                  Similarly the distribution of the population in each demographic (rent vs. buy) is probably also a major factor: if all the 'rich' 'home buyers' congregate in one area of a city, the prices in said area will be more stable than if the 'rich' were scattered around.

                  Lastly I'll note that cash flow vs. credit is a huge distinction.

                  As you probably know, the inflation adjusted income for the 'average joe' hasn't increased in well over a decade - more like 15 years. This is more representative of the 'rent' demographic.

                  Overall income levels, however, have increased beyond inflation. The ones causing this increase - which clearly aren't the 'average joes' - are the ones who also benefit from credit.

                  Right there you have a fundamentally different dynamic: those forced to rent aren't able to pay more; those able to buy were increasingly able to borrow more. Throw in the trend down to ZIRP as well as reduced down payments/loan qualification...

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Rental Housing Question

                    Everyone I know, myself included, that had a modest amount of income property (1-10 units) did their best due diligence. The rest, and the sustaining factors, were lots of their time when needed (sometimes called sweat equity), their skill level dealing with tenants, and luck. Pre-purchase analysis can only go so far.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Rental Housing Question

                      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                      ...Thus median income itself doesn't mean anything - What matters is the median income within the respective socio-economic group...
                      So I shouldn't go into my research on the price to income ratio for my next purchase? Just kidding. Really interest stuff. I don't know what is more upsetting, that I have to learn all this so late in life or that I was not taught to think this way from high school. All I knew of economics was supply and demand which now seems such nonsense (ie speculation & gas pump prices) and I thought if I stayed out of debt I'd be okay. Silly me, saving to pay considerable down payments early in life, then paying off mortgages quickly, then buying homes with cash and zero balancing my credit card every month. No wonder I'm not rich.

                      Originally posted by don View Post
                      ...Pre-purchase analysis can only go so far.
                      This is good to know since I apparently now have to throw out pretty much every way I've been trying to determine a good price anyway. I've got it: only make random purchases below construction costs with the land & infrastructure thrown in for free in an area that rents well enough to pay off the entire purchase within a random 8 years. Well then, if I can find one that pays itself off within 5 years, I'll consider it. Meanwhile, seems I've a lot more to learn.

                      Thanx both for your input.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Rental Housing Question

                        One last consideration. Income property investment has to fit both your goals and personality to be a success, especially if you plan on being a hands-on landlord. A friend of mine had about a dozen low-end units that he rented as Section 8 Housing. His rent was assured. He took pains putting in the best profiled poor folk. I believe a critical aspect of his success was he was adept and happy to run down a used refrigerator, etc. for a tenant. His paternal, benign landlord personality kept him in happy, long-term tenants. (When he moved up to strip mall investment, playing among the local big boyz of his burg, he nearly lost his shirt.) Section 8 worked for him. It's not for everyone.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Rental Housing Question

                          Good advice and yes, it has to fit. I'm totally on the smallest scale of this and (besides being for some income, of course) it is mostly for my own sense of security, to have something I can see & touch yet would be difficult for someone else (like a bankster) to steal. My high ender rented great until the numbers no longer played (taxes and insurance became insane). Never an issue with on time rents or bringing in new renters and only minimal damage. Then, as relocating to reduce living expenses, I rented long distance my previous homestead with me being an absentee roommate. (Florida allows retaining hometead as long as a room is kept for the owner.) Did you ever see mosquitos fly out of a dishwasher? Yikes. So that mistake didn't last long. Now I've just one small 2-bd unit and I might get one more I can walk to. As well, I utilize my house for income since I've three bedrooms and just use one for me and one for an office. Also, I like the company.

                          For the separate unit(s), my tenant target is area university or medical center employees. These are generally very busy, responsible people with secure incomes. I'm in a great area nearby so it means minimal commuting for them. My preference is to buy cheap but then fix up really cute with landscaped and privately fenced areas, cottage feeling interiors, etc. to make a desireable rental to attract a high quality tenant. As I love gardening, I am constantly on property which I think offers an added sense of security and, of course, if rents ever become an issue, I know where they live.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Rental Housing Question

                            Supply and Demand isn't wrong; it is that to assume either side of the equation is monolithic is wrong.

                            As for learning - I'm not a conspiracy theorist but certainly there is a very notable lack of rigor in so called modern economics theory.

                            As for renting - as don mentioned - being a landlord is not a passive activity.

                            I know a little old lady in Central California who owns 200+ rental properties. She loves finding new tenants and collecting rent and dealing with tenant complaints/maintenance/whatever. Her entire operation is her husband (CPA who now deals with her rental empire full time), a full time maintenance contractor, and herself.

                            She bought properties for $20K in the 80s and early 90s, put in $5K to fix them up, then rent them for $500/month.

                            Of course these days it is no longer possible to get these types of ratios.

                            As someone who's been intimately involved with real estate for 30 years despite my Gen X-dom, the latest cycle has been extremely high going up; previous cycles showed just how far then can fall going down.

                            Time will tell...

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Rental Housing Question

                              Interesting Proposition from the Wall Street Examiner Boyz:

                              Historically renter investors have looked for a 10% return as an investor minimum.

                              It appears many are settling for a 5% today.

                              This may be driven by two things.

                              Amateur investors and credit rate drivers.

                              To many, 5% looks pretty good compared with ZIRP.

                              That's true on the surface but the 10% return is historically proven as a sound operating minimum.

                              Sheeple investors beware.

                              (audio @ http://wallstreetexaminer.com/podcas...1911-part1.mp3)

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