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    Showdown in Iceland

    By MICHAEL HUDSON

    A landmark fight is occurring this Saturday, April 9. Icelanders will vote on whether to subject their economy to decades of poverty, bankruptcy and emigration of their work force. At least, that is the program supported by the existing Social Democratic-Green coalition government in urging a “Yes” vote on the Icesave bailout. Their financial surrender policy endorses the European Central Bank’s lobbying for the neoliberal deregulation that led to the real estate bubble and debt leveraging, as if it were a success story rather than the road to national debt peonage. The reality was an enormous banking fraud, an orgy of insider dealing as bank managers lent the money to themselves, leaving an empty shell – and then saying that this was all how “free markets” operate. Running into debt was commended as the way to get rich. But the price to Iceland was for housing prices to plunge 70 per cent (in a country where mortgage debtors are personally liable for their negative equity), a falling GDP, rising unemployment, defaults and foreclosures.

    To put Saturday’s vote in perspective, it is helpful to see what has occurred in the past year along remarkably similar lines throughout Europe. For starters, the year has seen a new acronym: PIIGS, for Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain.

    The eruption started in Greece. One legacy of the colonels’ regime was tax evasion by the rich. This led to budget deficits, and Wall Street banks helped the government conceal its public debt in “free enterprise” junk accounting. German and French creditors then made a fortune jacking up the interest rate that Greece had to pay for its increasing credit risk.

    Greece was told to make up the tax shortfall by taxing labor and charging more for public services. This increases the cost of living and doing business, making the economy less competitive. That is the textbook neoliberal response: to turn the economy into a giant set of tollbooths. The idea is to slash government employment, lowering public-sector salaries to lead private-sector wages downward, while sharply cutting back social services and raising the cost of living with tollbooth charges on highways and other basic infrastructure.

    The Baltic Tigers had led the way, and should have stood as a warning to the rest of Europe. Latvia set a record in 2008-09 by obeying EU Economics and Currency Commissioner Joaquin Almunia’s dictates and slashing its GDP by over 25 per cent and public-sector wages by 30 per cent. Latvia will not recover even its 2007 pre-crisis GDP peak until 2016 – an entire lost decade spent in financial penance for believing neoliberal promises that its real estate bubble was a success story.

    In autumn 2009, Socialist premier George Papandreou promised an EU summit that Greece would not default on its €298bn debt, but warned: “We did not come to power to tear down the social state. Salaried workers will not pay for this situation:

    we will not proceed with wage freezes or cuts.” But that seems to be what socialist and social democratic parties are for these days: to tighten the screws to a degree that conservative parties cannot get away with. Wage deflation is to go hand in hand with debt deflation and tax increases to shrink the economy.

    The EU and IMF program inspired the modern version of Latin America’s “IMF riots” familiar from the 1970s and 80s. Almunia, the butcher of Latvia’s economy, demanded reforms in the form of cutbacks in health care, pensions and public employment, coupled with a proliferation of taxes, fees and tolls from roads to other basic infrastructure.

    The word “reform” has been turned into a euphemism for downsizing the public sector and privatization sell-offs to creditors at giveaway prices. In Greece this policy inspired an “I won’t pay” civil disobedience revolt that grew quickly into “a nationwide anti-austerity movement. The movement’s supporters refuse to pay highway tolls. In Athens they ride buses and the metro without tickets to protest against an ’unfair’ 40 per cent increase in fares.” (Kerin Hope, “Greeks adopt ‘won’t pay’ attitude,” Financial Times, March 10, 2011.) The police evidently are sympathetic enough to refrain from fining most protesters.

    A Le Monde article accused the EU-IMF plan of riding “roughshod over the most elementary rules of democracy. If this plan is implemented, it will result in a collapse of the economy and of peoples’ incomes without precedent in Europe since the 1930s. Equally glaring is the collusion of markets, central banks and governments to make the people pay the bill for the arbitrary caprice of the system.”

    Ireland is the hardest-hit Eurozone economy. Its long-term ruling Fianna Fail party agreed to take bank losses onto the public balance sheet, imposing what looks like decades of austerity – and the largest forced emigration since the Potato Famine of the mid-19th century. Voters responded by throwing the party out of office (it lost two-thirds of its seats in Parliament) when the opposition Fine Gael party promised to renegotiate last November’s $115-billion EU-IMF bailout loan and its accompanying austerity program.

    A Financial Times editorial referred to the “rescue” package (a euphemism for financial destruction) as turning the nation into “Europe’s indentured slave.” EU bureaucrats “want Irish taxpayers to throw more money into holes dug by private banks. As part of the rescue, Dublin must run down a pension fund built up when Berlin and Paris were violating the Maastricht rules … so long as senior bondholders are seen as sacrosanct, fire sales of assets carry a risk of even greater losses to be billed to taxpayers.” EU promises to renegotiate the deal augur only token concessions that fail to rescue Ireland from making labor and industry pay for the nation’s reckless bank loans. Ireland’s choice is thus between rejection of or submission to EU demands to “make bankers whole” at the expense of labor and industry. It is reminiscent of when the economist William Nassau Senior (who took over Thomas Malthus’s position at the East India College) was told that a million people had died in Ireland’s potato famine. He remarked succinctly: “It is not enough.” So neoliberal junk economics has a long pedigree.

    The result has radically reshaped the idea of national sovereignty and even the basic assumption underlying all political theory: the premise that governments act in the national interest.

    The Irish government’s €10 billion interest payments are projected to absorb 80 per cent of the government’s 2010 income tax revenue. This is beyond the ability of any national government or economy to survive. It means that all growth must be paid as tribute to the EU for having bailed out reckless bankers in Germany and other countries that failed to realize the seemingly obvious fact that debts that can’t be paid won’t be. The problem is that during the interim it takes to realize this, economies will be destroyed, assets stripped, capital depleted and labor obliged to emigrate. Latvia is the poster child for this, with a third of its population between 20 and 40 years old already having emigrated or reported to be planning to leave the country within the next few years.

    The EU’s nightmare is that voters may wake up in the same way that Argentina finally did when it announced that the neoliberal advice it had taken from U.S. and IMF advisors had destroyed the economy. Debt repayment was impossible. As matters turned out, it had little trouble in imposing a 70 per cent write-down on foreign creditors. Its economy is now booming – because it became credit-worthy again, once it freed itself from its financial albatross!

    Much the same occurred in Latin America and other Third World countries after Mexico announced that it could not pay its foreign debts in 1982. A wave of defaults spread – inspiring negotiated debt write-downs in the form of Brady Bonds. U.S. and other creditors calculated what debtors realistically could pay, and replaced the old irresponsible bank loans with new bonds. The United States and IMF members applauded the write-downs as a success story.

    But Ireland, Greece and Iceland are now being told horror stories about what might happen if their governments do not commit financial suicide. The fear is that debtors may revolt, leading the Eurozone to break up over demands that financialized economies turn over their entire surplus to creditors for as many years as the eye of forecasters can see, acquiescing to bank demands that they subject themselves to a generation of austerity, shrinkage and emigration.

    That is the issue in Iceland’s election this Saturday. It is the issue now facing European voters as a whole: Are today’s economies to be run for the banks, bailing them out of reckless loans at public expense? Or, will the financial system be reined in to serve the economy and raise wage levels instead of imposing austerity.

    It seems ironic that the Socialist parties (Spain and Greece), the British Labour Party and various Social Democratic parties have moved to the pro-banker right wing of the political spectrum, committed to imposing anti-labor austerity not only in Europe, but also in New Zealand (the 1990s poster child for Thatcherite privatization) and even Australia. Their policy of downsizing public social services and embrace of privatization is the opposite of their position a century ago. How did they become so decoupled from their original labor constituencies? It seems as if their function is to impose whatever right-wing agenda the Conservative parties cannot get away with – not unlike Obama neutering possible Democratic Party alternatives to Republican lobbying for more Rubinomics.

    Is it simply gullibility? That may have been the case in Russia, whose leaders seemed to have little idea of how to fend off destructive advice from the Harvard Boys and Jeffrey Sachs. But something more deliberate plagues Britain’s own Labour Party in out-Thatchering the Conservatives in privatizing the railroads and other key economic infrastructure with their Public-Private Partnership. It is the attitude that led Gordon Brown to threaten to blackball Icelandic membership in the EU if its voters oppose bailing out the failure of Britain’s own neoliberal bank insurance agency to prevent banksters from emptying out Icesave. Last weekend half a million British citizens marched in London to protest the threatened cutbacks in social services, education and transportation, and tax increases to pay for Gordon Brown’s bailout of Northern Rock and the Royal Bank of Scotland. The burden is to fall on labor and industry, not Britain’s financial class. The Daily Express, a traditionally campaigning national paper, is now running a full throttle campaign for Britain to leave the EU, on much the same ground that Britain has long rejected joining the euro.

    What is the rational of Iceland and other debtor countries paying, especially at this time? The proposed agreements would give Britain and Holland more than EU directives would. Iceland has a strong legal case. Social Democratic warnings about the EU seem so overblown that one wonders whether the Althing members are simply hoping to avoid an investigation as to what actually happened to Landsbanki’s Icesave deposits. Britain’s Serous Fraud Office recently became more serious in investigating what happened to the money, and has begun to arrest former directors. So this is a strange time indeed for Iceland’s government to agree to take bad bank debts onto its own balance sheet.

    The problem is that the more Iceland’s economy shrinks, the more impossible it becomes to pay foreign debts. Iceland’s government is desperately begging to join Europe without asking just what the cost will be. It would plunge the krona’s exchange rate, shrink the economy, drive young workers to emigrate to find jobs and to avoid the bankruptcy foreclosures that would result from subjecting the nation to austerity.

    Nobody really knows just how deep the hole is. Iceland’s government has not made a serious attempt to make a risk analysis. What is clear is that the EU and IMF have been irresponsibly optimistic. Each new statistical report is “surprising” and “unexpected.” On the basis of the IMF’s working assumption about the króna’s exchange rate at end-2009, for example, the IMF staff projected that gross external debt would be 160 per cent of GDP. To be sure, they added that a further depreciation of the exchange rate of 30 percent would cause a precipitous rise in the debt ratio. This indeed has occurred. Back in November 2008, the IMF warned that the foreign debt it projected by yearend 2009 might reach 240 per cent of GDP, a level it called “clearly unsustainable.” But today’s debt level has been estimated to stand at 260 per cent of Icelandic GDP – even without including the government-sponsored Icesave debt and some other debt categories.

    Creditors lose nothing by providing junk-economic advice. They have shown themselves quite willing to encourage economies to destroy themselves in the process of trying to pay – something like applauding nuclear power plant workers for walking into radiation to help put out a fire. For Ireland, the EU pressed the government to take responsibility for bank loans that turned out to be only about 30 per cent (not a misprint!) of estimated market price. It said that this could “easily” be done. Ireland’s government agreed, at the cost of condemning the economy to two or more decades of poverty, emigration and bankruptcy.

    What makes the problem worse is that foreign-currency debt is not paid out of GDP (whose transactions are in domestic currency), but out of net export earnings – plus whatever the government can be persuaded to sell off to private buyers. For Iceland, the question would become one of how many of its products and services – and natural resources and companies – Britain and the Netherlands would buy.

    It is supposed to be the creditor’s responsibility to work with debtors and negotiate payment in exports. Instead of doing this, today’s creditors simply demand that governments sell off their land, mineral resources, basic infrastructure and natural monopolies to pay foreign creditors. These assets are forfeited in what is, in effect, a pre-bankruptcy proceeding. The new buyers then turn the economy into a set of tollbooths by raising access fees to transportation, phone service and other privatized sectors.

    One would think that the normal response of a government in this kind of foreign debt negotiation would be to appoint a Group of Experts to lay out the economy’s position so as to evaluate the ability to pay foreign debts – and to structure the deal around the ability to pay. But there has been no risk assessment. The Althing has simply accepted the demands of the UK and Holland without any negotiation. It has not even protested the fact that Britain and Holland are still running up the interest clock on the charges they are demanding.

    Why doesn’t Iceland’s population say to Europe’s financial negotiators: “Nice try! But we’re not falling for it. Your creditor game is over! No nation can be expected to keep committing financial suicide Ireland-style, imposing economic depression and forcing a large portion of the labor force to emigrate, simply to pay bank depositors for the crimes or negligence of bankers.”

    The credit rating agencies have tried to reinforce the Althing’s attempt to panic the population into a “Yes” vote. On February 23, Moody’s threatened: “If the agreement is rejected, we would likely downgrade Iceland’s ratings to Ba1 or below.” If voters approve the agreement, however, “we would likely change the outlook on the government’s current Baa3 ratings to stable from negative,” in view of a likely “cut-off in the remaining US$1.1 billion committed by the other Nordic countries and probably also to delays in Iceland’s IMF program.”

    Perhaps not many Icelanders realize that credit ratings agencies are, in effect, lobbyists for their clients, the financial sector. One would think that they had utterly lost their reputation for honesty – not to mention competence – by pasting AAA ratings on junk mortgages as prime enablers of the present global financial crash.

    The explanation is, they did it all for money. They are no more honest than was Arthur Andersen in approving Enron’s junk accounting.

    My own view of ratings agencies is based in no small part on the story that Dennis Kucinich told me about the time when he was mayor of Cleveland, Ohio. The banks and some of their leading clients had set their eyes on privatizing the city’s publicly owned electric company. The privatizers wanted buy it on credit (with the tax-deductible interest charges depriving the government of collecting income tax on their takings), and sharply raise prices to pay for exorbitant executive salaries, outrageous underwriting fees to the banks, stock options for the big raiders, heavy interest charges to the banks and a nice free lunch to the ratings agencies. The banks asked Mayor Kucinich to sell them the bank, promising to help him be governor if he would sell out his constituency.

    Kucinich said “No.” So the banks brought in their bullyboys, the ratings agencies. They threatened to downgrade Cleveland’s rating, so that it could not roll over the loan balances that it ran as a normal course with the banks. “Let us take your power company or we will wreck your city’s finances,” they said in effect.

    Kucinich again said no. The banks carried out their threat – but the mayor had saved the city from having its incomes squeezed by predatory privatization charges. In due course its voters sent Kucinich to Congress, where he subsequently became a presidential candidate.

    So, returning to the problem of the credit rating agencies, how can anyone believe that agreeing to pay an unpayably high debt would improve Iceland’s credit rating?
    Investors have learned to depend on their own common sense since losing hundreds of billions of dollars on the ratings agencies’ reckless estimates. The agencies managed to avoid criminal prosecution by noting that the small print of their contracts said that they were only providing an “opinion,” not a realistic analysis for which they could be expected to take any honest professional responsibility!

    Argentina’s experience should provide the model for how writing off a significant portion of foreign debt makes the economy more creditworthy, not less. And as far as possible lawsuits are concerned, it is a central assumption of international law that no sovereign country should be forced to commit economic suicide by imposing financial austerity to the point of forcing emigration and demographic shrinkage. Nations are sovereign entities.

    It thus would be legally as well as morally wrong for Iceland’s citizens to spend the rest of their lives paying off debts owed for money that should rather be an issue between Britain’s Serious Fraud Office and the British bank insurance agencies.
    Overarching the vote is how high a price Iceland is willing to pay to join the EU. In fact, as the Eurozone faces a crisis from the PIIGS debtors, what kind of EU is going to emerge from today’s conflict between creditors and debtors. Fears have been growing that the euro-zone may break up in any case. So Iceland’s Social Democratic government may be trying to join an illusion – one that now seems to be breaking up, at least as far as its neoliberal extremism is concerned. Just yesterday (Thursday, April 7) a Financial Times editorial commented on what it deemed to be Portugal’s premature cave-in to EU demands:
    “Another eurozone country has been humbled by its banks. Earlier this week, Portugal’s banks were threatening a bond-buyers’ go-slow unless the caretaker government sought financial help from other European Union countries. … Lisbon should have stuck to its position. … it should still resist doing what the banks demanded: seeking an immediate bridging loan. … By jumping the gun, the government risks having scared markets away entirely. That may prejudice the outcome of negotiations about the longer-term facility.

    “The caretaker government has neither the moral nor the political authority to determine Portugal’s future in this way. It should not precipitately abandon the markets. That may mean paying high yields on debt issues in coming months – higher than they might have been had the government not folded its hand too soon. … The right time to opt for an external rescue would have been at the end of a national debate.”
    The same should be true for Iceland. Looking over the past year, it seems that the island nation has been used as a target for a psychological and political experiment – a cruel one – to see how much a population will be willing to pay that it does not really owe for what bank insiders have stolen or lent to themselves.

    Iceland’s government seems to have become decoupled from what is good for voters and for the very survival of Iceland’s economy. It thus challenges the assumption that underlies all social science and economics: that nations will act in their own self-interest. This is the assumption that underlies democracy: that voters will realize their self-interest and elect representatives to apply such policies. For the political scientist this is an anomaly. How does one explain why a national parliament is acting on behalf of Britain and the Dutch as creditors, rather than in the interest of their own country accused of owing debts that voters in other countries have removed their governments for agreeing to?

    Michael Hudson is a former Wall Street economist.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson04082011.html

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    I guess that I am old-fashioned: I think debts should be paid-back. I think bills should be paid. I think the civil servants have had a free-ride for too long. I think government is toooooooooooooo big. I think money should earn a rate of real return. I think money should be gold and silver. I think nations have to produce and export. I think wages have to fall in a deflation. I think prices have to fall. I think de-flation is not a bad thing, for anyone. I think no-one is entitled to a bail-out. I think nations have to join the united world, at least in trade. I think oil and gas and atomic power and hydro-electric power are not bad things. I think the environmentalists are 100% WRONG. I think taxes should be hiked. I think government should be trimmed. I think deficit is a dirty word. I think unemployment is a dirty word. Yes, I think inflation is a dirty word. Yes, I think Bernanke should resign. Yes, I think interest rates are far too low. Yes, it is going to take pain to dig-out of this mess. Yes, I think a strong currency helps a nation, NOT a weak currency. Competition and productivity are NOT dirty words. Yes, I think Samuelson and Keynes were 100% WRONG. Yes, I think economics departments need a house-cleaning. Yes, I think land prices are tooooooooooooo high because of terrible city planning policies which restrict sprawl. Yes, I think it is time to raise hell. Yes, I think it may be time to listen to eccentrics and people with new ideas.

    Yes, I took my brain medication this morning. They keep me medicated here on Vancouver Island because_______. (You fill-in the blank.) And NO, I do not agree with Micheal Hudson's blog above!
    Last edited by Starving Steve; April 08, 2011, 02:05 PM.

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      Steve,

      You really should try and read, rather than rant.

      What is going on in Iceland is round 2 (or 3, or 4) of banksters trying to assign the debts of the 3 failed Iceland banks to the government and people of Iceland.

      Should you pay back the bankster's debts?

      Because that's the actual situation both in Iceland and in the US.

      If so, give me your number so I can have you pay my debts back too.

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        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
        Steve,

        You really should try and read, rather than rant.

        What is going on in Iceland is round 2 (or 3, or 4) of banksters trying to assign the debts of the 3 failed Iceland banks to the government and people of Iceland.

        Should you pay back the bankster's debts?

        Because that's the actual situation both in Iceland and in the US.

        If so, give me your number so I can have you pay my debts back too.
        Nations should have a right to stiff depositors from other nations? Argentina did well to stiff the IMF and set an example of what can be done in the name of national sovereignty? Wages have to go up for labour aristocrats? Austerity is bad?

        No, I do not agree with Micheal Hudson. Labour unions and their outrageous demands are part of the reason for this Great Recession. Low interest rates and negative real returns for savers are part of the reason for this Great Recession. Outrageous house prices and outrageous rents are part of the reason for this Great Recession. Lavish consumption is part of the reason for this Great Recession. Nationalism and trade protectionism is part of the reason, too.

        Might I ask a few questions here: What have the BC Liberals and the BC NDP done for me lately? How does suspending driver's licenses of senior citizens (who have a 100% perfect driving record) help British Columbia? What kind of liberalism is that? How does keeping senior citizens against their wishes in Victoria General Hospital ( on the 6th
        floor ) help British Columbia? What kind of liberalism and progressive policies are these?

        Yes, we have a neo-liberalism in the world to-day, but the neo-liberalism goes well beyond Too Big To Fail (TBTF) and well beyond bailing-out banksters in Iceland or on Wall Street. So I thought Micheal Hudson's blog was just skimming the surface of the problems with liberalism to-day........ Maybe the solution TO HELP THE PEOPLE in many countries is libertarianism.
        Last edited by Starving Steve; April 09, 2011, 05:19 PM.

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          Whether you agree with Hudson on not, the chain of events in Iceland was relatively simple...Icelandic banker borrows huge sum, bets the money and loses. Bank is wiped out. British citizens who had deposits in the Icelandic bank are made whole by British government. British government demands the citizens of Iceland repay.

          Several years ago you could get CDs denominated in the Krona. They were paying 12 %. It wasn't hard to figure out in about an hour on line, that it was gambling. You weren't betting whether or not the currency would collapse, just betting on when.

          When your taxes are raised and your libraries are closed so you can bail out gamblers, you bang pots and pans in the street and vote no, which is apparently what 56 % of Icelanders did yesterday.

          22 minutes of background with Riz Kahn.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-gHd...eature=related

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            Originally posted by SS
            Nations should have a right to stiff depositors from other nations?
            Iceland has no legal obligation whatsoever to protect foreign depositors.

            Why do you think Iceland should do so?

            Not even the UK and the Netherlands dispute Iceland's legal obligation - they invoke instead threats to try and force Iceland's hand, when in reality it is their own banking regulation which dropped the ball.

            Why did the bank regulators in the UK and the Netherlands not have any idea of the precariousness of the 3 Icelandic banks?

            Your desire to rant continues to interfere with your ability to reason.

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              One of the cornerstones of basic liberalism is federal deposit insurance on all accounts and protection on all securities. Why has this cornerstone of liberalism been forgotten both by Iceland and by Gordon Brown in the UK?

              How did misery of the worldwide depression in the 1930s become forgotten? When people lose their savings in a bank, they starve and the economy grinds to a halt. All banks have to be chartered by government, and government bears responsibility for the safety of people's savings in banks. That was a lesson of the Great Depression.

              I am shocked that the public in Iceland is banging pans in the street. Their government bears some responsibility for this because their government hosted or chartered the banks that stiffed the savers from the UK, at home in Iceland, or from wherever.

              To me, this is a no-brainer: Government is responsible for bank safety and security protection in all financial institutions.
              In Canada, we have CDIC for accounts in banks. In the U.S. we have FDIC or Federal Credit Union Administration on all accounts. Securities protection in both countries is done through SIPC, the Security Investment Protection Corporation.

              Rather than putzing-around trying to micro-manage interest rates, maybe the central banks should concentrate on shoring-up these basic protections for depositors and security investors. States in the U.S. are issuing vague general obligations on municipal bonds within their jurisdiction. Why isn't the Federal Reserve Bank under Bernanke doing something right now to shore-up these G.O. guarantees for municipal bonds? Or do states have to go bankrupt and default on their G.O. guarantees for municipal bonds?
              Last edited by Starving Steve; April 09, 2011, 08:38 PM.

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                Fine when regulation separates investment and depository banks. After deregulation deposit insurance is a joke. Iceland quickly becomes “the world's first country run like a hedge fund.”

                “Prior to 2000, most of Iceland’s banks were publicly owned and run with a conservative approach to issuing loans and credit...Credit was not given easily and it was hard for individuals to obtain a loan. Under the pressure of the capitalist class, envious at the massive profits being made by banks elsewhere, Iceland’s banking system was deregulated and privatised in 2000.

                “Ownership went to people with close connections to the parties in the conservative coalition government which had scant experience in modern banking. Parliamentary democracy was seen as merely a means to this end. These actions were, of course, applauded by the capitalist class worldwide and lauded by such institutions as the IMF.

                “The banks, hitherto operating mainly as domestic clearing banks, extended their operations to investment banking. Deregulation allowed banks, companies and individuals to borrow vast sums of money and this fictitious capital led to a massive boom. Much of this money came from outside of Iceland in what is known as the “carry trade”. This is a way for capitalist speculators and swindlers to borrow money outside Iceland, e.g. in the Eurozone, at low interest rates, exchange it into Icelandic Kronur, and to lend it to banks, companies and individuals in Iceland at higher interest rates.

                “The Icelandic Central Bank gave up reserve requirements and tried to curb the rising inflation caused by the financial boom by increasing interest rates as high as 15%. This just led to a greater influx of foreign capital, an increase in the carry trade and further boom. The miracle of Iceland’s economy was proclaimed, indeed some bourgeois ideologue announced that it was “the world's first country run like a hedge fund”, implying that Iceland was a model for the future.”

                http://www.marxist.com/iceland-what-happened.htm

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                  Originally posted by SS
                  One of the cornerstones of basic liberalism is federal deposit insurance on all accounts and protection on all securities. Why has this cornerstone of liberalism been forgotten both by Iceland and by Gordon Brown in the UK?
                  You're contradicting yourself.

                  Deposit insurance is a 'liberal' creation - something you say you hate.

                  Secondly, the deposits were not made in Iceland according to Icelandic banking laws, but were made in the Netherlands and the UK via Dutch and UK banking laws, respectively.

                  The Icelandic banks were allowed to operate subsidiaries in these countries by the Dutch and UK banking regulators, and in turn were reimbursed by the Dutch and UK regulators under Dutch and UK deposit insurance schemes.

                  Where this departs from the normal is that the Netherlands and the UK are now trying to get the deposit insurance money paid back from the Icelandic government and people instead of having their own respective deposit insurance programs cover the cost - said Netherlands and UK deposit insurance programs being specifically for their respective banks.

                  No depositors were hurt. This is about one set of banksters (actually 2) trying to extract money from a stone.

                  So again, you're running your mouth without actually understanding what is happening, as well as attacking 'Liberal' government policies while screaming for enforcement of a 'Liberal' deposit insurance scheme. Kind of like attacking Social Security entitlements while sitting on a Social Security provided electric wheelchair.

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                    Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                    You're contradicting yourself.

                    Deposit insurance is a 'liberal' creation - something you say you hate.

                    Secondly, the deposits were not made in Iceland according to Icelandic banking laws, but were made in the Netherlands and the UK via Dutch and UK banking laws, respectively.

                    The Icelandic banks were allowed to operate subsidiaries in these countries by the Dutch and UK banking regulators, and in turn were reimbursed by the Dutch and UK regulators under Dutch and UK deposit insurance schemes.

                    Where this departs from the normal is that the Netherlands and the UK are now trying to get the deposit insurance money paid back from the Icelandic government and people instead of having their own respective deposit insurance programs cover the cost - said Netherlands and UK deposit insurance programs being specifically for their respective banks.

                    No depositors were hurt. This is about one set of banksters (actually 2) trying to extract money from a stone.

                    So again, you're running your mouth without actually understanding what is happening, as well as attacking 'Liberal' government policies while screaming for enforcement of a 'Liberal' deposit insurance scheme. Kind of like attacking Social Security entitlements while sitting on a Social Security provided electric wheelchair.
                    Being an ocean away, all we saw on TV about the Iceland banking mess were people banging pans in the street, somewhere. That is how TV covers the news: photo ops.

                    I would think that wherever the deposits were taken, the government there bears responsibility. I would think that the government that chartered the defaulting bank bears responsibility. I would also think that the European Union bears responsibility for this, too.

                    This begs the question: What are liberal and supposedly "enlightened" governments doing to-day? Why aren't they helping the lot of the common person? What has happened to federal deposit insurance on bank accounts? Since when is the depositor an issue, be they a banker, a bankster, a granny, Starving Steve, or whomever?

                    And then I reflect upon my experience here in British Columbia with its provincial Liberal Party govn't: a.) ten weeks of fighting for a garage permit in an approved subdivision of homes where garages have always been allowed; b.) an anti-people, anti-growth, anti-development, anti-jobs agenda; c.) being kept at Victoria General Hospital against my will; d.) my driving license suspended again, and with a perfect driving record again; e.) witnessing the abuse of senior citizens at Victoria General Hospital, with cases much like mine, and taken out of their homes against their will; f.) suspensions of driving licenses of the elderly, for no other reason than that some bureaucrat thought they shouldn't drive due to their health; g.) no hydro-electric dams, no oil drilling, no uranium mining, no atomic power plants, no oil transport on the coast, no oil refining, no coal mining on Vancouver Island, very little natural gas servicing to homes, outrageous water bills; h.) an obtuse CRD around Victoria that doesn't hear or help people; i.) outrageous ferry fees; j.) speed limits so slow that one could bicycle faster than drive a car.
                    Last edited by Starving Steve; April 10, 2011, 11:36 AM.

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                      Iceland has (again) decided not to bow to banksters.

                      Good for them.

                      http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...711706711.html

                      Voters in Iceland have rejected--for the second time-- a plan to repay debts to Britain and the Netherlands from a bank crash, partial referendum results showed.

                      Johanna Sigurdardottir, Iceland's prime minister, said economic and political chaos could follow, after near-complete results were quoted on Sunday by RUV public radio.

                      "The worst option was chosen. The vote has split the nation in two," the premier told state television, saying it was fairly clear the "no" side had won.

                      Icelanders say citizens should not bail out irresponsible bankers who were blamed for the collapse of the Icesave bank and the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars.
                      With around 85,000 votes in the referendum counted, official figures showed 58 per cent had voted against the plan compared with 42 per cent in favour, the television said.

                      Iceland has 230,000 voters but the turnout was not immediately available.

                      The prime minister, who had predicted that a no vote would cause economic uncertainty for at least a year or two, did not say whether her centre-left coalition government planned to resign.

                      "We must do all we can to prevent political and economic chaos as a result of this outcome," she said.

                      The debt was incurred when Britain and the Netherlands compensated their nationals who lost savings in online Icesave accounts owned by Landsbanki, one of three Icelandic banks that collapsed in late 2008.

                      Icelandic lawmakers in February backed the repayment plan agreed with creditors in December, but the president refused to sign the bill, triggering the referendum.
                      In March 2010, Icelanders rejected an earlier Icesave repayment blueprint in a referendum.
                      The "no" side warned that the agreement would put "an incredible financial burden on Icelanders", insisting "there never was any legal obligation for Icelandic citizens to shoulder the losses of a private bank."

                      "I know this will probably hurt us internationally, but it is worth taking a stand," Thorgerdun Asgeirsdottir, a 28-year-old barista said after casting a "no" vote at the Reykjavik city hall.

                      Svanhvit Ingibergs, 33, who works at a rest home, said: "I had no part in causing those debts, and I don't want our children to risk having to pay them. It would be better to settle this in a court."

                      The dispute over repayment has soured relations between the small North Atlantic island nation and the two other countries.

                      'End of the road'
                      It may now be solved in a European court rather than in bilateral talks, a solution that may take several years and that some economists say that it would be much costlier.

                      "It is clear that we have reached the end of the negotiation road," Steingrimur Sigfusson, Iceland's finance minister told television.

                      Sigurdardottir said Iceland would now defend its case before the court of the European trade body overseeing Iceland's cooperation with the EU, the EFTA Surveillance Authority (ESA).

                      In a first stage in legal proceedings last year, ESA said that Iceland should pay compensation to Icesave depositors.
                      Danny Alexander, Britain's chief secretary to the treasury said on Sunday he was disappointed that Icelanders had again rejected an "Icesave" debt deal.

                      "It is obviously disappointing that it seems that the people of Iceland have rejected what was a negotiated settlement," Alexander told BBC television.

                      "Of course we respect the will of the Icelandic people in this matter and we are going to have to now go and talk to the international partners with whom we work, not least the government of the Netherlands.
                      "It now looks like this process will end up in the courts," he said.
                      Policymakers and economists have said solving the Icesave issue would help Iceland, whose economy fell into deep recession after its banks failed, get back into foreign credit markets to fund itself.

                      That is a condition for it to remove controls on capital flows it imposed in 2008 to stabilise a tumbling currency.

                      The controls have left an estimated equivalent to a quarter of Iceland's gross domestic product in the hands of foreign investors, many of whom are expected to want to pull out when controls are lifted.

                      Ratings agencies follow the vote closely. Moody's has said it may lower its credit rating on Iceland in case of a "no".

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