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    /sarc

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1HQxOju9V

    Hammered by the auto industry's slump, Detroit saw its population plummet 25 percent over the past decade, according to census numbers released Tuesday that reflect the severity of an economic downturn in the only state where overall population declined.

    The statistics show that the Motor City's population fell from 951,270 in 2000 to 713,777 last year. Although a significant drop was expected, state demographer Ken Darga said the total is "considerably lower" than the Census Bureau's estimate last year.


    "That's just incredible," added Kurt Metzger, a demographer with a Data Driven Detroit, a nonprofit that collects statistics used by area planners. "It's certainly the largest population loss percentage-wise that we've ever had in this city."

    Detroit's population peaked at 1.8 million in 1950, when it ranked fifth nationally. But the new numbers reflect a steady downsizing of the auto industry — the city's economic lifeblood for a century — and an exodus of many residents to the suburbs.

    Mayor Dave Bing disputed the new population data and plans to appeal. He said his city has at least 750,000 residents, which he called an important threshold for qualifying for some state and federal financial programs. He didn't say how so many people may have been missed.

    City Council President Charles Pugh suggested that thousands of people "who are skeptical, distrustful of the government" avoided the count, such as convicted felons, illegal immigrants and residents who list suburban addresses to get lower car insurance.

    The drop-off of more than 237,000 people in Detroit helped Michigan become the only state that suffered an overall population decline between 2000 and 2010, slipping 0.6 percent to 9,883,640. But the city, the state's largest, was not solely responsible for the dubious distinction.

    The population fell 18 percent in Flint, another city heavily dependent on the auto industry and the birthplace of General Motors. Pontiac and Saginaw, which also lost jobs in auto and parts manufacturing, dropped 12 percent and 17 percent respectively.

    Nearly half of the state's 83 counties lost residents, underscoring the ripple effect from Michigan's reliance on the ailing manufacturing sector. Michigan has lost nearly 860,000 jobs since 2000, and its unemployment rate has long been among the nation's highest.

    "The census figures clearly show how crucial it is to reinvent Michigan," Gov. Rick Snyder said. "It is time for all of us to realign our expectations so that they reflect today's realities. We cannot cling to the old ways of doing business."

    Metzger, the demographer, said Detroit's population drop partially reflects the migration of middle-class blacks to suburban counties, a trend that the mayor acknowledged. The numbers also suggest that some blacks have given up on Michigan altogether: the state's non-Hispanic black population fell 1.8 percent, from 1,408,522 to 1,383,756.

    That marks Michigan's first drop in black residents since statehood, and a historically significant change for a state that was long a magnet for blacks leaving the South to escape discrimination and find jobs, said William Frey, a Brookings Institution demographer.

    The recent housing crisis has accelerated foreclosures and driven down prices, which Metzger said has enabled more black families to buy houses in the suburbs.

    "The next wave of ex-Detroiters with the same hopes and dreams has moved to the suburbs," he said.

    Altogether, Michigan's cities lost 7 percent of their populations. Flint's population now stands at 102,434 residents. The capital city of Lansing suffered a 4 percent drop to 114,297, and even Grand Rapids — Michigan's second largest city, located in the less hard-hit western part of the state — was down 5 percent to 188,040.

    Population increases were recorded in mostly suburban and some rural areas, the largest in counties on the fringe of metropolitan areas with large numbers of suburban commuters. Clinton County, north of Lansing, jumped 16.5 percent and Livingston County, between Detroit and Lansing, was up 15.3 percent.

    Some rural areas fared badly. For example, the Upper Peninsula saw populations drop in 13 of its 15 counties, including a 13.3 percent drop — the worst statewide among counties — in far northwestern Ontonagon County.

    Sharp increases were seen in Michigan's Asian and Hispanic populations.

    The non-Hispanic Asian population was 236,490, up 35 percent over the decade — Michigan's fastest growing racial group — and now accounts for 2.4 percent of the state's residents. The state's Hispanic population grew by 34.7 percent, to 436,358, or 4.4 percent of the overall population.

    The American Indian population inched up 1.3 percent to 54,665.


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    Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

    Come on now. The problem with Detroit is not the decline int he auto industry. The problem with Detroit is the people who live there. Surrounding suburbs are doing fine. Many industries still thrive there.

    The simple fact the author doesn't acknowledge this means any other interpretation of the data is suspect.

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    • #3
      Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

      But wait, weren't high fuel prices supposed to be the end of the suburbs, while urban areas thrived?. Same thing is happening in Atlanta to a lesser degree. People leaving for the outlying areas. Only a few choice areas have gained population.

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        Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

        There simply needs to be a purpose to being in a specific place; in the suburbs of Detroit, the purpose is to build a life - in the city itself there are only impediments to purpose (high taxes, high insurance, no schools, no industries, minimal jobs, crime).

        The city lost 200,000 residents in the last 10 years. Progress will be declared when that rate drops to 100,000 in the next 10 years, at which point the City will be down to 600,000 and 'a new sense of urgency' will be the battle cry. 10 years after that with the rate cut in half again (I'm trying to be optimistic) to 50,000, Detroit will be said to have 'hit bottom'. Again.

        If I could kill one idea around this town, it's the belief that a resurgence (or a staunching of the bleeding) is possible without first a restoration of the idea of the city as a place for fostering purpose.
        Last edited by jneal3; March 23, 2011, 10:53 AM. Reason: sp

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        • #5
          Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

          The other day I watched a National Geographic documentary on the Detroit gang squad. Very distressing what is going on there. Out of control really.

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          • #6
            Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

            Originally posted by Serge Tomiko
            Come on now. The problem with Detroit is not the decline int he auto industry. The problem with Detroit is the people who live there. Surrounding suburbs are doing fine. Many industries still thrive there.
            That may be, but doesn't explain why the population of Michigan fell overall from 2000 to 2010.

            It should have grown at least 10% given an average US growth rate of 1.1% per year.

            The Detroit population loss only accounts for maybe 20% of that, add in the other cities and it accounts for less than half.

            Clearly it isn't a case of 'white flight' or suburbanization alone...

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            • #7
              Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

              No, your'e correct on that c1ue. I just know that any sane person would leave those bad neighborhoods in Detroit if financially able to.

              I can only guess that Michigan's problem is a loss of jobs in general. That and the weather. Lets face it, people like 70 degree winter days vs snow, rain, and cold.

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              • #8
                Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

                Originally posted by jneal3 View Post
                There simply needs to be a purpose to being in a specific place; in the suburbs of Detroit, the purpose is to build a life - in the city itself there are only impediments to purpose (high taxes, high insurance, no schools, no industries, minimal jobs, crime).
                This. Detroit has been run for years now by politicians who still think taxing the hell out of businesses and residents + dumb government programs = the revival of a city. Off course its been a dismal failure. Instead of deregulating and trying to attract business they only make them leave. (and when I use the term business I dont mean big business I mean any sort of business, from small family owned business to corporations)

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                • #9
                  Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

                  Originally posted by tsetsefly View Post
                  This.
                  Light rail. Casinos. Tiger Stadium. Ford Field. And before those, the Henry-Ford-II-built Renaissance Center. The insanity (defined by doing the same thing and expecting a different result) of expecting big projects to be the spark that rejuvenates the city still grips this place, light rail being the latest manifestation. If there had been light rail down Woodward in place 10 years ago, we would've lost the exact same number of people.

                  By the way, the late spring/summers/falls/early winters here are absolutely beautiful, it ain't the weather that is driving the state's population decline.

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                  • #10
                    Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

                    I grew up in Michigan. I loved the weather. I liked snow, I liked living 20 minutes from a ski hill. My problem was Detroit. I'd have lived in any other city in the state, but I didn't want to deal with the traffic and all the other crap that goes with a large metro area. I had a job and it was a good one, but jobs in general were hard to find in Michigan. I'd have been happy in Lansing, Grand Rapids, Kzoo, Ann Arbor, Jackson - the farther North the better as far as that goes.

                    For me urban life is like captivity. Every Friday evening in Michigan the roads are positively packed by the captives trying to get a couple days of relief from the urban zoo.

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                    • #11
                      Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

                      Originally posted by jneal3 View Post
                      There simply needs to be a purpose to being in a specific place; in the suburbs of Detroit, the purpose is to build a life - in the city itself there are only impediments to purpose (high taxes, high insurance, no schools, no industries, minimal jobs, crime).

                      The city lost 200,000 residents in the last 10 years. Progress will be declared when that rate drops to 100,000 in the next 10 years, at which point the City will be down to 600,000 and 'a new sense of urgency' will be the battle cry. 10 years after that with the rate cut in half again (I'm trying to be optimistic) to 50,000, Detroit will be said to have 'hit bottom'. Again.

                      If I could kill one idea around this town, it's the belief that a resurgence (or a staunching of the bleeding) is possible without first a restoration of the idea of the city as a place for fostering purpose.
                      This is a fundamental error of the religion of liberalism. When you believe in biological egalitarianism and the tabula rasa theory of human nature, you believe all people can figure out the purpose of life on their own.

                      This is an error. Not everyone possesses sufficient intelligence to contemplate the future of their own lives, let alone their community.

                      The problems you describe are *exclusively* due to the people of the city being fundamentally unable to live in a civilized society. They are not impediments, they are symptoms.

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                      • #12
                        Re: American Indian reclamation of Michigan well underway

                        Originally posted by Serge_Tomiko View Post
                        This is a fundamental error of the religion of liberalism. When you believe in biological egalitarianism and the tabula rasa theory of human nature, you believe all people can figure out the purpose of life on their own.

                        This is an error. Not everyone possesses sufficient intelligence to contemplate the future of their own lives, let alone their community.

                        The problems you describe are *exclusively* due to the people of the city being fundamentally unable to live in a civilized society. They are not impediments, they are symptoms.
                        Pretty broad brush, the problems have much less to do with 'the people of the city' and more to do with the destructive effects of a union mindset, which has dominated the culture of southeast Michigan for decades. A real sense of entitlement in both the private (automotive) and public (mostly city bureaucracy, less so with the schools) has resulted in institutions whose size, costs, and mentality strangle both small businesses and the populace with taxes and poor service. Those institutions are the first order impediments, crime has more to do with 'the people' (I know that's code for blacks) and is a second-order impediment. You have to have lived in the city to know the truth of this.

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