Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

[blazespinnaker]

“It’s rather insulting to the American people that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress,” Paul said. “The hype is that a lot of people are being killed over there, and we have to go in for humanitarian reasons, but there’s a lot of killing going on around the world.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1HFPEtIXc

Give Ron credit, he speaks the truth with integrity.

[BigBagel]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

Absolutely. There should be bipartisan outrage. Congress is being treated like a red headed step child and there are only a few whimpers.

[Slimprofits]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

http://politics.gather.com/viewArtic...81474979149868

Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) is questioning President Barack Obama's decision to participate in Saturday's missile attack on forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.
During a conference call with fellow Democrats yesterday, Kucinich asked if the missile strikes should be considered an impeachable defense.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation," Dennis Kucinich said in a statement issued on Friday.
Congress was not consulted before yesterday's air strikes, Politico reports.
"It is an act of war," according to Kucinich, who carries a copy of the U.S. Constitution in his coat pocket. "War from the air is still war."
Just a few years ago, the liberal lawmaker was busy leading the movement to impeach former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in Congress. At the time, critics viewed the impeachment effort as a purely partisan effort. Now we know Dennis Kucinich is willing to take any president to task for engaging in war without Congressional approval, even one from his own party.

[tsetsefly]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

It would be incredible if he gets the Republican nomination.

[Slimprofits]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

Yes, incredible is one word.

We already went through this in 2008.

What makes you think anything has changed? He'll be in the debates, they'll ask him one or two questions and he'll receive marginal media coverage. Most of the conservative voters in the US are with the neo-cons on foreign policy. They could never vote for Ron Paul when it really counts.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

I do not think it is possible for any nation to close-off the entire world or to intervene uni-laterally. This is now a unified world, to the dismay of many, including many of those in the Islamic World, isolationist Texans, and Ron Paul.

[reggie]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

Give Ron credit, he speaks the truth with integrity.

Ron's just a lightning rod for the conservative market. If the guy spoke the truth, then he'd be talking about who's payroll the protestors are on.

I do not think it is possible for any nation to close-off the entire world or to intervene uni-laterally. This is now a unified world, to the dismay of many, including many of those in the Islamic World, isolationist Texans, and Ron Paul.

Tell me, which copy of Time or Newsweek did you get this programming from? This comment has no basis expect for the fact that you, and millions of others, believe it.

[BigBagel]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

I do not think it is possible for any nation to close-off the entire world or to intervene uni-laterally. This is now a unified world, to the dismay of many, including many of those in the Islamic World, isolationist Texans, and Ron Paul.

I think what's being debated here is process. Weather it's a good idea to go into Libya is another debate. Showing disregard for the rule of law, U.S law that is, can only have a bad outcome. What's the one of the most important decisions a nation makes? I think it's going to war yet we had no debate. This is not Pearl Harbor. The president could have asked for a resolution but didn't bother.
Defunding NPR? Debate the hell out of it.
War? We can't be bothered.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

You would hate the back of the $10 bill in Canada because Canadian Forces in peace-keeping rolls for the world is the theme of that reverse......... It is one unified-world now, like it or not. One mouse-click unites anyone, anywhere, with the world. This is not the 18th C..... Move on!

The public schools in America have to change with the times, too. English-only, number cyphering, flag worship, and cursive in the 21st. Century? I mean: get a clue!

[charliebrown]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

retact this post.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

I might agree with you that intervening militarily in Libya is a bad idea. It looks bad for Europe, Canada, and America to intervene, and the intervention strengthens the moral hand of Giddafi. Unfortunately, the intervention gives him a fig leaf of moral and political cover to stay in power, as a Libyan nationalist, fighting the capitalist world to the bitter end.

[c1ue]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

Actually, if there are any lessons to be learned so far from Libya, it is all on the 'tin pot dictator' side:

The West isn't your friend. No matter how you reform, they'll get you in the end if given an opening.

So if you get a rebellion, smack it right away with all your armored forces and aircraft.

Don't be restrained, crush rebellions ASAP and with all possible force.

Don't let the 'UN' or the 'Forces of Democracy' have the time to send in special forces to target all your installations.

Don't rely on what any of the West says, it is all just posturing.

Don't rely on equal or greater unrest in other tin pot dictator nations.

Don't rely on happy economic setups with western multinationals, with cooperative agreements on trade, etc etc.

Just do 'it' as quickly as possible.

[flintlock]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

Actually, if there are any lessons to be learned so far from Libya, it is all on the 'tin pot dictator' side:

The West isn't your friend. No matter how you reform, they'll get you in the end if given an opening.

So if you get a rebellion, smack it right away with all your armored forces and aircraft.

Don't be restrained, crush rebellions ASAP and with all possible force.

Don't let the 'UN' or the 'Forces of Democracy' have the time to send in special forces to target all your installations.

Don't rely on what any of the West says, it is all just posturing.

Don't rely on equal or greater unrest in other tin pot dictator nations.

Don't rely on happy economic setups with western multinationals, with cooperative agreements on trade, etc etc.

Just do 'it' as quickly as possible.

Exactly the way I see it too! Don't trust the Americans. Take care of business and ask for forgiveness later. Guarantee this turns into more fuel to " oust the Crusaders" too.

I'm still kind of surprised this is happening. I actually wasn't sure which side we'd be on, considering our support of other "tin pot dictators" over there. Anyone other than Qaddafi, regardless of how many being killed, and we would not be doing this I think. This has to embolden those in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, etc. America is on the side of freedom now!

I was holding off on this but now it seems appropriate.

WARNING: Language

[charliebrown]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

Congress must vote immediately on this, and if a war resolution is not passed, Obama must stand down or be impeached.


Here is a summary of the war powers act.

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.

Clearly the U.S. has not been attacked, and it is not under any serious threat. Therefore Obama has over stepped his authority.

[goodrich4bk]

Re: Ron Paul: "insulting that this authority comes from the United Nations, and not the Congress"

I do not think it is possible for any nation to close-off the entire world or to intervene uni-laterally. This is now a unified world, to the dismay of many, including many of those in the Islamic World, isolationist Texans, and Ron Paul.

Don't know what the hell you are saying here, Steve. Paul and Kuccinich have just stated the obvious: we've taken military action in violation of the War Powers Act and the U.S. Constitution. The last time I checked, the U.S. Constitution and our legal system was a matter for Americans to debate and not an issue for anybody else to weigh in on.

Now, if you want to explain why it is Constitutional to send 100 Tomahawk missles into a sovereign country without a Congressional declaration of war or a Presidential declaration of clear and present danger to the United States, that's a legitimate debate. But telling me "we're a unified world" is a non sequitur.