Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Martenson: The Coming Rout

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Martenson: The Coming Rout

    There's a scenario that could play out between May and September in which commodities (including my beloved silver) and the stock and bond markets could all sell off between 20% and 40%. The trigger will be the cessation of QE II and a multi-month pause before QE III.

    This is a reversal in my thinking from the outright inflationary 'buy with both hands' bent that I have held for the past two years. Even though it's quite a speculative analysis at this early stage, it is a possibility that we must consider.


    Important note: This is a short-term scenario that stems from my trading days, so if you are a long-term holder of a core position in gold and silver, as am I, nothing has changed in my extended outlook for these metals. The fiscal and monetary path we are on has a very high likelihood of failure over the coming decade, and I see nothing that shakes that view.

    But over the next 3-6 months, I have a few specific concerns.

    It's time to build on the idea I planted in the Insider article entitled Blame the Victim (February 28, 2011) where I speculated on the idea that the Fed might be forced to end its quantitative easing programs, almost certainly because of behind-the-scenes pressure.

    Here's what I said:
    How I read [the Fed's recent propaganda tour] is that the Fed is taking some heat for its inflationary policies, mainly behind closed doors, and it is trying to do what it can -- with words -- to soothe the situation. Perhaps China is making noises, or perhaps Brazil's finance minister is making the phone lines feeding the Eccles building smoke ominously, or perhaps it is internal pressure coming from politicians with restless voters. Or all three.

    The big risk here is that the Fed will be forced by this rising pressure to discontinue the QE program in June at the normal ending of the QE II efforts. Couple that with a possible federal showdown over the debt ceiling right at the same time, and you have the makings for a massive fireworks display, possibly involving derivative mortars bursting in air.
    At the time, I speculated that all of the Fed's pronouncements about inflation being almost nonexistent were actually signs that the Fed was taking some behind-the-scenes heat for the inflation its policies was creating. And I worried about what would happen if the Fed were to end the QE program in June.

    Let's just say it won't be pretty.

    Everything would tank. Stocks, bonds, and commodities. All of the risk assets that have been unnaturally supported by a flood of liquidity, too-low interest rates, and thin-air base money would give up those ill-gotten gains. Gold might behave a bit differently, because along with these market declines will come an enormous amount of uncertainty about the financial system itself, usually a condition for higher gold prices. So I expect gold to correct somewhat, but not nearly as much as everything else, and it could even gain.

    The story is, admittedly, getting more confusing by the week, with some calling for hyperinflation and some calling for massive, outright deflation. I am trying to surf the probabilities and stay one step ahead of whatever curve balls are coming our way.

    The basic idea is this: The Fed has been dumping roughly $4 billion of thin-air money into the US markets each trading day since November 2010. The markets, all of them, are higher than they would be without this money. $4 billion per trading day is an enormous amount of money. It's gigantic by historical standards. As soon as the QE program ends, the markets will have to subsist on a lot less money and liquidity, and the result is almost perfectly predictable.

    Hello, downdraft.

    The markets are quite substantially elevated due to the efforts of the Fed. T, and then some, is quite likely to be rapidly eliminated as soon as the QE program has ended.

    It's really that simple.

    To make the story even more difficult to follow, the Fed has been sending out teams of PR agents in an effort to guide the markets with their words.
    First, on March 2, 2011 Bernanke said this:

    Rest here:

    http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/coming-rout/53869
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

  • #2
    Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

    In the bigger picture, as long as the endless wars are needed to maintain the reserve dollar, and the reserve dollar is essential to continue the wars, I wouldn't get too worked up over a speculated cessation of QE or whatever else they choose to call it.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

      Chris Martenson is again acting like a shill for the big banks - he criticizes them, but ultimately wants the same things the TBTF banks do: cheap money.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

        Can you elaborate? From what I've read of Chris, I don't see how you get that he's a shill for the Banksters. Quite the contrary.
        Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

          "This is a reversal in my thinking from the outright inflationary 'buy with both hands' bent that I have held for the past two years. Even though it's quite a speculative analysis at this early stage, it is a possibility that we must consider. "

          Is this accurate. Has Martenson recommended buying commodities and equities with "both hands" since Mar 2009? I hadn't thought so but am not a subscriber.

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

            Originally posted by Master Shake
            Can you elaborate? From what I've read of Chris, I don't see how you get that he's a shill for the Banksters. Quite the contrary.
            Perhaps you don't remember this:

            http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/s...ing-debt/25806

            Here, he criticizes the 'stealth monetization of the US debt'.

            Now, he's saying we must have monetization in the form of continued QE(n) or the economy will crash.

            Flip flop.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              Perhaps you don't remember this:

              http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/s...ing-debt/25806

              Here, he criticizes the 'stealth monetization of the US debt'.

              Now, he's saying we must have monetization in the form of continued QE(n) or the economy will crash.

              Flip flop.
              ej since 2001 gold @ $270.. buy & hold gold...

              he needs to say 'ERic Janszen' vs 'itulip'

              martenson since 2009..

              'on the one hand this & the other that'...

              not a bankster's shill...pathetic attempt at impassionate analysis... comes off as lacking conviction...track record = 0.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                Heard recently that the Primary Dealers of Treasuries, the huge commerical banks are ongoing stress tests by OCC/Fed to determine effect of QE2 ending and the sucking of liquidity out of market effect it will have on the large banks. That loud sucking noise is coming soon, overnight rates and mortgages will rise quickly if and when that happens.

                Fun times ahead if the Fed is serious about withdrawing liquidity.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                  Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                  Perhaps you don't remember this:

                  http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/s...ing-debt/25806

                  Here, he criticizes the 'stealth monetization of the US debt'.

                  Now, he's saying we must have monetization in the form of continued QE(n) or the economy will crash.

                  Flip flop.
                  Sorry, I don't read it that he's advocating monetization, only that the market has discounted continued monetization and will tank when the Fed stops.

                  Is re-evaluating the evidence and changing your near term outlook "flip-flopping" or the behavior of a rational and dispassionate analyst.
                  Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                    Yeah MM, we know that EJ is God and everyone else sucks.

                    While Eric is very good at long-term recommendations and provides insightful analysis to back up his position, his track record for the short-term isn't so hot. When was the S&P supposed to crash again? December 2010?

                    Picking up nickels in front of steam rollers can be hazardous to your health, but missing a near double since the 2009 lows sucks, too.
                    Last edited by Master Shake; March 08, 2011, 10:38 PM.
                    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                      Let's keep perspective EJ, Wiedemer, Hussman etc are marco economic professionals. All 3 of these guys missed the market entry in September because they look at structural changes that impact long term trends. It's up to us to know their frame of reference and then interpret their judgements accordingly. To play entries and exits in the short to intermediate term, I am discovering 3 pieces to the puzzle are needed 1)macro data 2)understanding of C.O.T. 3) technical analysis, and then sometimes with these rigged markets you're still screwed.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                        Originally posted by jpetr48 View Post
                        Let's keep perspective EJ, Wiedemer, Hussman etc are marco economic professionals. All 3 of these guys missed the market entry in September because they look at structural changes that impact long term trends. It's up to us to know their frame of reference and then interpret their judgements accordingly. To play entries and exits in the short to intermediate term, I am discovering 3 pieces to the puzzle are needed 1)macro data 2)understanding of C.O.T. 3) technical analysis, and then sometimes with these rigged markets you're still screwed.
                        I have the highest regard for EJ, but he's not Jesus, no matter what some of his more obsequious followers may think. And, believe it or not, there are others out there who called the crash, touted gold and see what's going on.
                        Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                          agreed, point taken
                          joe

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                            Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                            I have the highest regard for EJ, but he's not Jesus, no matter what some of his more obsequious followers may think. And, believe it or not, there are others out there who called the crash, touted gold and see what's going on.
                            really? march 2009 called the start of the 1st bounce. can anyone else remember this? all who can send ej an pm so he doesn't give up on us...

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Martenson: The Coming Rout

                              Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                              Sorry, I don't read it that he's advocating monetization, only that the market has discounted continued monetization and will tank when the Fed stops.

                              Is re-evaluating the evidence and changing your near term outlook "flip-flopping" or the behavior of a rational and dispassionate analyst.
                              unless one "voted for it, before voting against it" anyway.....

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X