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    Talk Doesn’t Pay, So Psychiatry Turns Instead to Drug Therapy


    “I had to train myself not to get too interested in their problems, and not to get sidetracked trying to be a semi-therapist.” DR. DONALD LEVIN, a psychiatrist whose practice no longer includes talk therapy.

    By GARDINER HARRIS

    DOYLESTOWN, Pa. — Alone with his psychiatrist, the patient confided that his newborn had serious health problems, his distraught wife was screaming at him and he had started drinking again. With his life and second marriage falling apart, the man said he needed help.

    But the psychiatrist, Dr. Donald Levin, stopped him and said: “Hold it. I’m not your therapist. I could adjust your medications, but I don’t think that’s appropriate.”

    Like many of the nation’s 48,000 psychiatrists, Dr. Levin, in large part because of changes in how much insurance will pay, no longer provides talk therapy, the form of psychiatry popularized by Sigmund Freud that dominated the profession for decades. Instead, he prescribes medication, usually after a brief consultation with each patient. So Dr. Levin sent the man away with a referral to a less costly therapist and a personal crisis unexplored and unresolved.

    Medicine is rapidly changing in the United States from a cottage industry to one dominated by large hospital groups and corporations, but the new efficiencies can be accompanied by a telling loss of intimacy between doctors and patients. And no specialty has suffered this loss more profoundly than psychiatry.

    Trained as a traditional psychiatrist at Michael Reese Hospital, a sprawling Chicago medical center that has since closed, Dr. Levin, 68, first established a private practice in 1972, when talk therapy was in its heyday.

    Then, like many psychiatrists, he treated 50 to 60 patients in once- or twice-weekly talk-therapy sessions of 45 minutes each. Now, like many of his peers, he treats 1,200 people in mostly 15-minute visits for prescription adjustments that are sometimes months apart. Then, he knew his patients’ inner lives better than he knew his wife’s; now, he often cannot remember their names. Then, his goal was to help his patients become happy and fulfilled; now, it is just to keep them functional.

    Dr. Levin has found the transition difficult. He now resists helping patients to manage their lives better. “I had to train myself not to get too interested in their problems,” he said, “and not to get sidetracked trying to be a semi-therapist.”

    Brief consultations have become common in psychiatry, said Dr. Steven S. Sharfstein, a former president of the American Psychiatric Association and the president and chief executive of Sheppard Pratt Health System, Maryland’s largest behavioral health system.

    “It’s a practice that’s very reminiscent of primary care,” Dr. Sharfstein said. “They check up on people; they pull out the prescription pad; they order tests.”

    With thinning hair, a gray beard and rimless glasses, Dr. Levin looks every bit the psychiatrist pictured for decades in New Yorker cartoons. His office, just above Dog Daze Canine Hair Designs in this suburb of Philadelphia, has matching leather chairs, and African masks and a moose head on the wall. But there is no couch or daybed; Dr. Levin has neither the time nor the space for patients to lie down anymore.
    On a recent day, a 50-year-old man visited Dr. Levin to get his prescriptions renewed, an encounter that took about 12 minutes.

    Recent studies suggest that talk therapy may be as good as or better than drugs in the treatment of depression, but fewer than half of depressed patients now get such therapy compared with the vast majority 20 years ago. Insurance company reimbursement rates and policies that discourage talk therapy are part of the reason. A psychiatrist can earn $150 for three 15-minute medication visits compared with $90 for a 45-minute talk therapy session.

    Competition from psychologists and social workers — who unlike psychiatrists do not attend medical school, so they can often afford to charge less — is the reason that talk therapy is priced at a lower rate.

    “At first, all of us held steadfast, saying we spent years learning the craft of psychotherapy and weren’t relinquishing it because of parsimonious policies by managed care,” Dr. Levin said. “But one by one, we accepted that that craft was no longer economically viable. Most of us had kids in college. And to have your income reduced that dramatically was a shock to all of us. It took me at least five years to emotionally accept that I was never going back to doing what I did before and what I loved.”

    He could have accepted less money and could have provided time to patients even when insurers did not pay, but, he said, “I want to retire with the lifestyle that my wife and I have been living for the last 40 years.”

    “Nobody wants to go backwards, moneywise, in their career,” he said. “Would you?”
    Dr. Levin would not reveal his income. In 2009, the median annual compensation for psychiatrists was about $191,000, according to surveys by a medical trade group. To maintain their incomes, physicians often respond to fee cuts by increasing the volume of services they provide, but psychiatrists rarely earn enough to compensate for their additional training. Most would have been better off financially choosing other medical specialties.

    Dr. Louisa Lance, a former colleague of Dr. Levin’s, practices the old style of psychiatry from an office next to her house, 14 miles from Dr. Levin’s office. She sees new patients for 90 minutes and schedules follow-up appointments for 45 minutes. Everyone gets talk therapy. Cutting ties with insurers was frightening since it meant relying solely on word-of-mouth, rather than referrals within insurers’ networks, Dr. Lance said, but she cannot imagine seeing patients for just 15 minutes. She charges $200 for most appointments and treats fewer patients in a week than Dr. Levin treats in a day.

    Dr. Levin’s initial efforts to get insurers to reimburse him and persuade his clients to make their co-payments were less than successful. His office assistants were so sympathetic to his tearful patients that they often failed to collect. So in 2004, he begged his wife, Laura Levin — a licensed talk therapist herself, as a social worker — to take over the business end of the practice.

    Ms. Levin created accounting systems, bought two powerful computers, licensed a computer scheduling program from a nearby hospital and hired independent contractors to haggle with insurers and call patients to remind them of appointments. She imposed a variety of fees on patients: $50 for a missed appointment, $25 for a faxed prescription refill and $10 extra for a missed co-payment.

    As soon as a patient arrives, Ms. Levin asks firmly for a co-payment, which can be as much as $50. She schedules follow-up appointments without asking for preferred times or dates because she does not want to spend precious minutes as patients search their calendars. If patients say they cannot make the appointments she scheduled, Ms. Levin changes them.

    “This is about volume,” she said, “and if we spend two minutes extra or five minutes extra with every one of 40 patients a day, that means we’re here two hours longer every day. And we just can’t do it.”

    She said that she would like to be more giving of herself, particularly to patients who are clearly troubled. But she has disciplined herself to confine her interactions to the business at hand. “The reality is that I’m not the therapist anymore,” she said, words that echoed her husband’s.

    Dr. Levin, wearing no-iron khakis, a button-down blue shirt with no tie, blue blazer and loafers, had a cheery greeting for his morning patients before ushering them into his office. Emerging 15 minutes later after each session, he would walk into Ms. Levin’s adjoining office to pick up the next chart, announce the name of the patient in the waiting room and usher that person into his office.

    He paused at noon to spend 15 minutes eating an Asian chicken salad with Ramen noodles. He got halfway through the salad when an urgent call from a patient made him put down his fork, one of about 20 such calls he gets every day.

    By afternoon, he had dispensed with the cheery greetings. At 6 p.m., his waiting room empty, Dr. Levin heaved a sigh after emerging from his office with his 39th patient. Then the bell on his entry door tinkled again, and another patient came up the stairs.

    “Oh, I thought I was done,” Dr. Levin said, disappointed. Ms. Levin handed him the last patient’s chart.

    The Levins said they did not know how long they could work 11-hour days. “And if the stock market hadn’t gone down two years ago, we probably wouldn’t be working this hard now,” Ms. Levin said.

    Dr. Levin said that the quality of treatment he offers was poorer than when he was younger. For instance, he was trained to adopt an unhurried analytic calm during treatment sessions. “But my office is like a bus station now,” he said. “How can I have an analytic calm?”

    And years ago, he often saw patients 10 or more times before arriving at a diagnosis. Now, he makes that decision in the first 45-minute visit. “You have to have a diagnosis to get paid,” he said with a shrug. “I play the game.”

    In interviews, six of Dr. Levin’s patients — their identities, like those of the other patients, are being withheld to protect their privacy — said they liked him despite the brief visits. “I don’t need a half-hour or an hour to talk,” said a stone mason who has panic attacks and depression and is prescribed an antidepressant. “Just give me some medication, and that’s it. I’m O.K.”

    Another patient, a licensed therapist who has post-partum depression worsened by several miscarriages, said she sees Dr. Levin every four weeks, which is as often as her insurer will pay for the visits. Dr. Levin has prescribed antidepressants as well as drugs to combat anxiety. She also sees a therapist, “and it’s really, really been helping me, especially with my anxiety,” she said.

    She said she likes Dr. Levin and feels that he listens to her.

    Dr. Levin expressed some astonishment that his patients admire him as much as they do.

    “The sad thing is that I’m very important to them, but I barely know them,” he said. “I feel shame about that, but that’s probably because I was trained in a different era.”

    Before the 1920s, many psychiatrists were stuck in asylums treating confined patients covered in filth, so most of the 20th century was unusually good for the profession.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/he...ef=todayspaper

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    Re: Therapist to Pharmacist

    sent this to the ny times:

    Dr. Donald Levin ["Talk Doesn’t Pay, So Psychiatry Turns to Drug Therapy"] is a poor representative for psychopharmacology – the specialty I practice. I spent over 15 years doing psychotherapy as well as prescribing medications, and made the switch in 1991, BEFORE managed care created the economic incentives you describe. I calculated that by that time I had done roughly 30,000 hours of psychotherapy.

    Dr. Levin is running a factory, seeing 40 patients a day. No one forces him to see patients in such volume. He apparently does shoddy intakes, not routinely evaluating mood and suicidality: a patient complaining of possible a.d.d. mentions suicidal thoughts at “the very end” of their meeting. Dr. Levin hadn’t asked? He complains “there’s not a lot to master in medications,” which just means he's not thinking very hard. My career shift in the 1990’s coincided with biological psychiatry getting much more interesting, and my own interest in bipolar disorders beginning in the mid-1990’s – before it became chic – provided plenty of intellectual stimulation.

    I question your choice of exemplar.

    and my partner sent the following:

    If Dr. Donald Levin is unhappy with what he is doing he should stop doing it and practice psychotherapy. He does not seem to enjoy the role central to being a physician: to help sick people. His identification with a Volkswagen mechanic and his goal to just “keep them functional” betrays his cynicism and ignorance about his profession. Psychopharmacology—the specialty of prescribing medications for emotional disorders—is complex and rewarding. Psychopharmacology together with psychotherapy performed by a psychotherapist often achieves remission of serious life threatening disorders. The idea that most psychiatrists are choosing psychopharmacology for economic reasons is false. A career in psychopharmacology is the best use of time for someone with medical training who wants to help people with emotional problems. Scientific discoveries provide an ever-increasing understanding of the biological basis of behavior and emotions. As a full-time psychopharmacologist I do not know of a more exciting or rewarding field

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    • #3
      Re: Therapist to Pharmacist

      Here's another vote for pharms. 30 some years ago, I was suffering from depression and saw a therapist and also got a script for Norpramin (desipramine) from the psychiatrist she was affiliated with. Can't say the talk therapy helped much, but when the drugs kicked in (took about 2-3 weeks), it was night and day.
      Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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      • #4
        Re: Therapist to Pharmacist

        Very interesting article. I'd like to offer the other side of the coin.

        I am actually working as a therapist. Sometimes the problem requires physical action and some others require talking. I have seen cases of people being anxious because of a difficult choice that they have to make in life. For example, and I am not inventing a case here, someone might have to decide to stop cheating his wife. In those cases, in my opinion, it is much better if you help your patient to see that cheating his wife is making him uncomfortable or anxious than prescribing him any medication.

        Of course, of course, there are also people that I recommend they go see a psyquiatrist (or a cardiologist. Having an undetected heart problem might cause anxiety). In this post I want simply to state my opinion that both forms of therapy, talking and pharmacological, are different, might cover different ground and might be best used in different cases.
        Last edited by Alvaro Spain; March 07, 2011, 08:45 AM. Reason: spelling

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        • #5
          Re: Therapist to Pharmacist

          My understanding is that the principle difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist is that the latter is a doctor and can therefore prescribe drugs. I understand that not everything is black and white, but this generally seems like a proper utilization of resources. Should we whine that not everyone involved in health care is a doctor or be grateful that we have physician assistants, nurses, medical assistants etc that can perform many functions at a much lower cost? Maybe I am missing the point of the article, but the spin seemed to be that I should feel negatively towards this development.

          Also a pharmacist typically does not prescribe drugs, they dispense them. A more accurate title in my opinion would be: Physician/Therapist to Physician.

          I think the real question is why as a society are people so dependent on medication to feel "normal"?

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          • #6
            Re: Therapist to Pharmacist

            Originally posted by DSpencer View Post
            I think the real question is why as a society are people so dependent on medication to feel "normal"?
            for everything i treat, the incidence is going up and the age of onset is going down.

            i think it's a combination of more awareness/better diagnosis/sometimes overdiagnosis/diminished stigma, and the fact that we did not evolve in anything like the high pace, socially disruptive environment in which we live. e.g., i can't tell you the number of times i've sat in my office and thought: "now we will decide to increase the dose of medication so this person will be able to go on functioning in his overly stressed job."

            therapy has an important role for many, imo. what makes a stress, a stress? why can the same event happen to 2 different people and be overwhelming to one but not such a big deal for the other? how do we handle stress? how do we think about its causes? what are our supports? are we doing things that then create more stress for ourselves? these questions are all in the proper domain of psychotherapy, and can make a big difference. it is analogous to role of diet in the treatment of diabetes, or physical therapy for orthopedic problems.

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