Re: Scott Walker, Public Servant
in the private sector perhaps - but certainly NOT in the public sector.
tho the autoworkers appear to be down, but not out - and i dont have a problem with private sector unions negotiating with the robber-baron exec suite, since if management forks over too much, its _their_ money (mostly the shareholders) that gets burnt up vs OURS in the public sector.
with that said, i was once a united steelworker and we had the best paying jobs in that county - we watched helplessly as the union work rules _destroyed_ the profitability of the company - so we all paid the price of stupidity/greed of both parties
so again - i dont think its rank n file members/workers who are creating the problem in the PUBLIC SECTOR.
and i dont believe that the private sector unions pull any harder to the left than the execs are pulling to the right - usually there's an equilibrium at some point (if only temporary, before the MBA whizkids gut the biz, sell off the profit making pieces and then ship whats left of the production to china...) - but the 'equilibrium' never seems to happen in public sector 'negotiations' - esp in the bluestates - its always MORE, never less - the rest of us have had to tighten out belts (any tighter and i'd be blue in the face) - WHY SHOULDNT THEY?
another aspect/question in this is: due to the advances/dramatic reduction in price of computer technologies; the application of it by private sector enterprise - to the extent that MILLIONS of jobs involving paper-pushing, filling file cabinets etc - have been eliminated - totally eliminated, whole buildings full of people GONE - right?
none of this jaw-dropping increase in productivity seems to have been transferred to the .gov buracracy - its always MORE people, at HIGHER pay with never any layoffs (at least at the fed level) - EVER WONDER WHY?
and been _screwed_ by it and the political class - at least those of us who've been unable to profit from it all, as we watch helplessly while decades of backbreaking work are _stolen_ out from under us by INFLATION, excess taxation caused by bracket-creep and re-distributionist politix that reward irresponsible behavior, subsidize ill-advised/risky lifestyle choices, etc etc etc.
again - 50 years of the liberal/progressive 'vision of paradise' and its unintended consequences are barreling along straight-dead ahead, coming right at of us and most seem to be frozen, deer-in-the-headlights in denial about it all - esp the chattering class and the corporate crowd.
NOBODY HATES TEACHERS!
its their self-serving union bosses - that even most of the teachers themselves dont like, who are screwing them along with the rest of us (tho it gets old listening to them bitch about their being overworked/underpaid for their 8month/year, 6hour/day at 'the office' and if they wanna work 6 more on 'homework' WHOS FAULT IS THAT?)
but i wouldnt really want to trade places with any of em - given the state of 'parenting' today
altho why should they get to retire with a full secure-guaranteed pension after working 20 years or so, that ends up paying them _way_ more than they ever paid into it? i know some who are getting nearly 50grand a year in a pension? when during most of their careers, they didnt earn any where near that much (for their 8-9month/year jobs)
i can only sympathize with residents of california who are groaning under the weight of the burden their out of control political class and the out n out GIVEAWAYS some have gotten - 100grand a year or more in a PENSION?
and the rest of us (who wontbe getting anything for workin our asses off the past 30years) are supposed to work til we drop to pay for it all????
because the political aristocracy doesnt have the backbone to stand up to this bullshit/corruption?
nope.... cant say i disagree with you on most of this either.
sigh.... (white flag goes up, some you guys are too much for me, a 2fingah typest, to keep up with ;)
Originally posted by oddlots
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tho the autoworkers appear to be down, but not out - and i dont have a problem with private sector unions negotiating with the robber-baron exec suite, since if management forks over too much, its _their_ money (mostly the shareholders) that gets burnt up vs OURS in the public sector.
with that said, i was once a united steelworker and we had the best paying jobs in that county - we watched helplessly as the union work rules _destroyed_ the profitability of the company - so we all paid the price of stupidity/greed of both parties
so again - i dont think its rank n file members/workers who are creating the problem in the PUBLIC SECTOR.
and i dont believe that the private sector unions pull any harder to the left than the execs are pulling to the right - usually there's an equilibrium at some point (if only temporary, before the MBA whizkids gut the biz, sell off the profit making pieces and then ship whats left of the production to china...) - but the 'equilibrium' never seems to happen in public sector 'negotiations' - esp in the bluestates - its always MORE, never less - the rest of us have had to tighten out belts (any tighter and i'd be blue in the face) - WHY SHOULDNT THEY?
another aspect/question in this is: due to the advances/dramatic reduction in price of computer technologies; the application of it by private sector enterprise - to the extent that MILLIONS of jobs involving paper-pushing, filling file cabinets etc - have been eliminated - totally eliminated, whole buildings full of people GONE - right?
none of this jaw-dropping increase in productivity seems to have been transferred to the .gov buracracy - its always MORE people, at HIGHER pay with never any layoffs (at least at the fed level) - EVER WONDER WHY?
Originally posted by oddlots
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again - 50 years of the liberal/progressive 'vision of paradise' and its unintended consequences are barreling along straight-dead ahead, coming right at of us and most seem to be frozen, deer-in-the-headlights in denial about it all - esp the chattering class and the corporate crowd.
Originally posted by oddlots
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NOBODY HATES TEACHERS!
its their self-serving union bosses - that even most of the teachers themselves dont like, who are screwing them along with the rest of us (tho it gets old listening to them bitch about their being overworked/underpaid for their 8month/year, 6hour/day at 'the office' and if they wanna work 6 more on 'homework' WHOS FAULT IS THAT?)
but i wouldnt really want to trade places with any of em - given the state of 'parenting' today
altho why should they get to retire with a full secure-guaranteed pension after working 20 years or so, that ends up paying them _way_ more than they ever paid into it? i know some who are getting nearly 50grand a year in a pension? when during most of their careers, they didnt earn any where near that much (for their 8-9month/year jobs)
i can only sympathize with residents of california who are groaning under the weight of the burden their out of control political class and the out n out GIVEAWAYS some have gotten - 100grand a year or more in a PENSION?
and the rest of us (who wontbe getting anything for workin our asses off the past 30years) are supposed to work til we drop to pay for it all????
because the political aristocracy doesnt have the backbone to stand up to this bullshit/corruption?
Originally posted by oddlots
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sigh.... (white flag goes up, some you guys are too much for me, a 2fingah typest, to keep up with ;)
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