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  • The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

    When it came to overthrowing Hosni Mubarek, the western media thrust itself into the situation and portrayed the uprising as a western-style demand for freedom.

    The television screens were filled with stories of relatively western figures such as Google employee Wael Ghonim, who became the face of the new Egypt -- educated, professional, and desirous of freedom as we know it.

    Now that Mubarek is gone, the western media mostly has moved on to the next revolution, secure in the perception that Egypt is moving in the right direction.

    But that is a false comfort. As I posted yesterday, over a million Egyptians turned out in Tahrir Square last Friday to cheer the vile anti-Semitic Sunni cleric Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who had been exiled by Mubarek, and who espouses the fundamentalist Islamic view that Jews must live as Dhimmis under Islamic control. Instead of accurately reporting the significance of this event, The New York Times whitewashed the cleric as someone who supports a "a pluralistic, multiparty, civil democracy."

    Where was the western hero Ghonim?

    He tried to take the microphone to speak to the crowd, presumably to preach his western values, but he was kept off the stage by Sheik al-Qaradawi's security.

    But you probably haven't heard that, because it was not widely reported, except by AFP, Egypt protest hero Wael Ghonim barred from stage (h/t Israel Matzav):
    Google executive Wael Ghonim, who emerged as a leading voice in Egypt's uprising, was barred from the stage in Tahrir Square on Friday by security guards, an AFP photographer said. Ghonim tried to take the stage in Tahrir, the epicentre of anti-regime protests that toppled President Hosni Mubarak, b ut men who appeared to be guarding influential Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi barred him from doing so.

    Ghonim, who was angered by the episode, then left the square with his face hidden by an Egyptian flag.
    This is the problem with those, like Roger Cohen in The New York Times, who glorify the "Arab Street." Ghonim was not the face of the "Arab Street," he merely was a face to which western media could relate.

    Rest here.

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.co...t-is-over.html
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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    Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

    I read recently an interview with a Polish football coach in egypt, he's been there a few years, the majority of the interview was about football but, they did add a question about the protests. Since he is in the eye of the storm, and has contact on a day to day basis with his players and the local trends, he didn't sugar coat it, but clearly labeled it an 'islamic' revolution.

    What is really key to this, is the football coach is apolitical, he is not a tree hugging democracy msnbc lib, neither is he some sort of faux news buffoon talking head.

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    • #3
      Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

      Hey MS,

      If Egypt can muster that many yuppies as street-fighters then I'm a lot more hopeful about it's economic prospects.

      Regarding the islamist claim, you seem to be in agreement with the Iranian regime on this score. They too think that the uprisings sweeping the Arab world are "Islamist" at heart. Strange that they can't allow their own people to celebrate their solidarity with them no? Comfortable in this company?

      I just read Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi's profile on Wiki. I don't see a lot to justify the claim that he is a "vile anti-Semitic Sunni cleric." Could you explain?

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        Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

        I don't know chr, but I think there are better sources than this to rely on. Everything can look "islamist" when you have millions praying in unison in Tahrir, but in my experience in Egypt faith is just the wallpaper, much as the Roman Catholic church might have been generations ago in Poland. Think of the cries of "Allahu Akbhar" thrown back in the face of the Islamo-fascists of Iran by thousands from the rooftops during the failed green revolution in Iran. The idea of being on god's side or not is the contested high-ground much as we talk about "justice."

        That's coming from a "a tree hugging democracy [al jazeera] lib" of course, but I lived with an Egyptian family in Cairo for a couple of months in the early 80s and that's how it seemed to me. Besides, you can also follow tweets like this guy's sandmonkey quite easily and I think you'll get a more reliable sense of what has ignited this fury than relying on some isolated ex-pat.

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          Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

          Originally posted by oddlots View Post
          Hey MS,

          If Egypt can muster that many yuppies as street-fighters then I'm a lot more hopeful about it's economic prospects.

          Regarding the islamist claim, you seem to be in agreement with the Iranian regime on this score. They too think that the uprisings sweeping the Arab world are "Islamist" at heart. Strange that they can't allow their own people to celebrate their solidarity with them no? Comfortable in this company?

          I just read Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi's profile on Wiki. I don't see a lot to justify the claim that he is a "vile anti-Semitic Sunni cleric." Could you explain?
          I think reality is rarely as binary as many people like to view it. Many neo-cons were positing that the Islamic Brotherhood was behind the uprising as it was occurring, despite reports that the MB were behind the curve on it. Conversely, most mainstream media sources gloss over the potential for islamist groups coming to power in Egypt, just like they ignored the fact that little has really changed other than Mubarek is gone.

          I am surprised anyone would cite Wikileaks as an authoritative source for anything but the most mundane subjects. I am equally surprised anyone would emply such hackneyed rhetorical fallacies as the Guilt By Association gambit: A believes x, you believe x, therefore you and A are equivalent, especially since it assumes what I believe is x.
          Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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            Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

            I am equally surprised anyone would emply such hackneyed rhetorical fallacies as the Guilt By Association gambit: A believes x, you believe x, therefore you and A are equivalent, especially since it assumes what I believe is x.
            My point was that the Iranian regime must believe (or pretend to believe) that X is is Y (the Egyptian revolution is or will prove to be fundamentalist Islamic in character or result.) Surely you are saying the same thing, no. They have to believe this because they can't recognise it for what I think it quite obviously is or has been to this point - a grass-roots and widespread demand for political rights and freedom from arbitrary and corrupt power - because this is exactly the kind of regime they themselves represent as their own citizens clearly believe.

            So my point was to ask, is there not some similar need for you to not recognise the I think honestly obvious common character between the green revolution in Iran, Egypt and say Libya? What could that be?

            The point was obviously not to say you were simply equivalent to the Iranians. That would indeed be absurdly binary.

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              Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

              Originally posted by oddlots View Post
              My point was that the Iranian regime must believe (or pretend to believe) that X is is Y (the Egyptian revolution is or will prove to be fundamentalist Islamic in character or result.) Surely you are saying the same thing, no. They have to believe this because they can't recognise it for what I think it quite obviously is or has been to this point - a grass-roots and widespread demand for political rights and freedom from arbitrary and corrupt power - because this is exactly the kind of regime they themselves represent as their own citizens clearly believe.

              So my point was to ask, is there not some similar need for you to not recognise the I think honestly obvious common character between the green revolution in Iran, Egypt and say Libya? What could that be?

              The point was obviously not to say you were simply equivalent to the Iranians. That would indeed be absurdly binary.
              One, don't confuse what I post with what I believe. Two, I wouldn't take anything the Iranian regime says at face value.
              Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                Originally posted by oddlots View Post
                I don't know chr, but I think there are better sources than this to rely on. Everything can look "islamist" when you have millions praying in unison in Tahrir, but in my experience in Egypt faith is just the wallpaper, much as the Roman Catholic church might have been generations ago in Poland.
                Faith may be wallpaper, but the church wields real power. After the fall of communism, the power vacuum was quickly filled by the catholic church. A chaplain took place of a political officer, attached to every military unit. In elementary schools, religion (what you would call here 'Sunday school') is taught several times a week (by a priest paid for by people's taxes), just as the virtues of socialism used to be taught before. Tax breaks for the catholic church are common as are direct giveaways of land and buildings. Furthermore, elections normally take place on Sundays, and priests are not prohibited from pushing their political agenda. So, imagine who the sheeple are going to vote for after a Sunday mass, where the priest equates some of the candidates with a Devil.
                All this gives the catholic church in Poland real economic and political power.

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                  Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                  Originally posted by Jam View Post
                  Faith may be wallpaper, but the church wields real power. After the fall of communism, the power vacuum was quickly filled by the catholic church. A chaplain took place of a political officer, attached to every military unit. In elementary schools, religion (what you would call here 'Sunday school') is taught several times a week (by a priest paid for by people's taxes), just as the virtues of socialism used to be taught before. Tax breaks for the catholic church are common as are direct giveaways of land and buildings. Furthermore, elections normally take place on Sundays, and priests are not prohibited from pushing their political agenda. So, imagine who the sheeple are going to vote for after a Sunday mass, where the priest equates some of the candidates with a Devil.
                  All this gives the catholic church in Poland real economic and political power.
                  wow... now that's an eye opener. thx.

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                    Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                    Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                    One, don't confuse what I post with what I believe

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                      Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                      Originally posted by Jam View Post
                      Faith may be wallpaper, but the church wields real power. After the fall of communism, the power vacuum was quickly filled by the catholic church. A chaplain took place of a political officer, attached to every military unit. In elementary schools, religion (what you would call here 'Sunday school') is taught several times a week (by a priest paid for by people's taxes), just as the virtues of socialism used to be taught before. Tax breaks for the catholic church are common as are direct giveaways of land and buildings. Furthermore, elections normally take place on Sundays, and priests are not prohibited from pushing their political agenda. So, imagine who the sheeple are going to vote for after a Sunday mass, where the priest equates some of the candidates with a Devil.
                      All this gives the catholic church in Poland real economic and political power.
                      Whats wrong with the church? whats wrong with the muslim brotherhood? If the people want the church and they vote and are in favor or church policies so be it. If the people in egypt want a muslim brotherhood so be it, its their country, their choice. I thought that is democracy let the people choose right?

                      The real crime is when the media pushes a point that a 'democracy' is forming, when on the contrary there is very little evidence in regards to a 'democracy' forming. The media has very little to do with the truth and reporting what is happening but, more about selling a viewpoint/ideology along with a judgement or whether the MB/church/democracy is good or bad.

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                        Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                        From the outside it seemed the Egyptian "revolution" was essentially a two-step. First the unhappy educated 20-somethings took to and stayed in the streets. When Mubarak wavered, they were joined by the Egyptian working class, which began shutting down the economy. Mubarak then left for King Farouk land.

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                          Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                          Originally posted by metalman View Post
                          What's so confusing, MM? Perhaps I should have said "don't confuse articles I link to...", but I thought that was evident.
                          Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                            Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                            + 1

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                              Re: The Yuppie Revolution in Egypt is over, the Islamic one has just begun

                              Originally posted by Master Shake View Post
                              One, don't confuse what I post with what I believe. Two, I wouldn't take anything the Iranian regime says at face value.
                              Re. One: if you disagree with the post why post it and why not make this clear.

                              Re. Two: understanding my point requires not taking what the Iranian regime says at face value.
                              Last edited by oddlots; February 21, 2011, 09:50 PM.

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