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  • #76
    Re: Peak cheap oil....

    I think we're in the early stages of phase 2 (out of 3). 3 = Mania phase.

    Signs of early phase 2;
    1. Less than 5% of all your family and friends have bought any silver in the past 2 years (excluding those you influenced strongly). Mania = at least 50% talking about it, and 20%+ bought in. This would result in ALL your coin/bullion stores being emptied out (not just 1 out 5).
    2. MSM has only *just* started suggesting it may be a good idea to buy (last week Cramer mentioned it and also CNBC). New York Post had their first story on it.
    3. Financial Reps just starting to re-think that maybe putting in 5-10% might be a good idea, but no more.
    4. Cash4Gold mania has just started to perhaps simmered down. Called my dad in Portugal this week and he mentioned that after hundreds of cash4gold stores opening up all over the country in the past ~2 years, that he now noticed a few of them (less than 10%) starting to close because they can't get enough clients to keep the business running (i.e. most that would sell the family jewls for survival reasons have probably just finished doing so). After the SELL phase, will start the BUY phase. Wait until at least 30-40% of these cash4gold places close shop.

    My experience at work: Out of a group of about 50 people I chat with weekly here in Western Canada, 1 was into physical PMs (coins only) and miners 1 year before I was. This past week, my boss (a highly intelligent guy) actually asked me the question if I thought Precious Metals is going to be a good investment since I mentioned I was spending some time reviewing my investment portfolio. Aside from that, nobody else is even talking about it. One other guy was into Uranium mid 2010 and was bragging he made good money, but also mentioned his dad was losing a lot of money shorting PMs expecting the crash to come any time (this was 3 months ago). My local bullion/coin stores are however mentioning that they've never had such high demand before. That said, my main bullion store though still has plenty (a couple hundred?) of 100 oz bars, but Candian Maples are on a ~4 week+ back order for the past 1.5 months.

    Why the Mania hasn't hit yet:
    1. Massive numbers of retail outlets aren't out of silver for months at a time (only a few here and there, and current delays are around 2-4 weeks to delivery). Mania would be when delays are 2-4months, for months on end.
    2. COMEX hasn't defaulted (yet) - still 100 Million ounces left (assuming we believe their #'s). Look out for a potential SHARP decline in COMEX inventories, shortly thereafter phase 3 will start.
    3. China Central Bank *just* announced they will include Silver as a form of reserve for the country. Wait till a few more countries do the same.
    4. High inflation isn't yet evidenced in developed western countries from the perspective of Joe6Pak. Yes some saw gas prices ticking up last week, and food is up this week 5-10%+, but until this is a trend for many months and increasing in severity, Joe6pak will shrug his shoulders and remain on the couch drinking that 6 pack.
    5. The mania in Silver and gold should be world wide, given inflation will be world wide, so the vertical parabolic spike this time could be extremely high. Hunt Bro's was mostly a fast North American event. Remember, their spike was $50.... decades ago, so adjust for inflation, we're a long ways off.
    6. Premiums over spot at the coin stores are only 7-15% due to fast increase in silver prices. Mania = 30%-50% premiums
    7. Wait until the MSM has economist/analyst one after the other recommend silver/gold buying at 20%+ of the portfolio every single day. When the MSM starts pumping it as the #1 fast way to make money, that might be a hint that the crash is weeks or a couple of months away.
    8. Kitco silver lease rates are still below 2%. Watch for a spike to 20-30%+.
    9. Evening and newspaper headlines aren't yet filled with "House theft for jewlary has increased 3 fold in the past 3 months".

    For me, the #1 reason the mania hasn't hit yet is because we're due for another large global crash later this year as per EJ (Fed forced crash or China forced). The crash won't last long (TPTB globally should be more awake this time), and it will be VERY interesting to see if the Fed will QE3 for one last hurrah. I'm hoping to be able to sell *some* of my silver at the beginning of the crash and then possibly buy back in after the crash recovery starts - probably I'll keep most of my physical, just liquidate all stock forms. It will also be VERY interesting to see what the flight for safety during the crash becomes. The recent Middle East circumstances are strongly suggesting the USD may have lost some trust as the flight to safety. If it is replaced by PMs (even if only in part), then the crash induced upward price spike, could very well be the start of the mania. When the entire planet is trying to buy gold/silver, the hunt bro's $50/oz spike should be tiny by comparison.

    My #2 reason - EJ hasn't yet said "Time at last to sell gold"! ;-)


    My #3 reason - Jim Rogers, Marc Faber and Mish haven't yet suggested that it's time to get out.

    My #4 reason: My newspapers don't yet look like this:




    I'd love it others also started to report in with their anectdotal stories so that we can get a more hollistic perspective from various parts of the world, to help track the mania.

    1. What % are you into PMs?
    2. What % of your family bought PMs in the past 2 years for investment purposes?
    3. What % of your friends " " "
    4. What % of your co-workers are talking about PMs and what % bought?
    5. What's going on at your local coin/bullion stores?
    6. What are you seeing on your MSM TV?
    7. What are you seeing in your newspapers?
    8. What $$ stories are people talking about at Starbucks and dinner parties?
    Last edited by Adeptus; March 05, 2011, 09:28 PM.
    Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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    • #77
      Re: Peak cheap oil....

      Adeptus

      Will keep this short so others can answer your good questions and thoughtful post.

      After EJ did forecast showing gold at low of 1100, he commented that geopolitical tensions could change this low to higher number
      Anything is possible - others much more knowledgeable then me see gold holding at $1300. I agree based on buying of China and other emerging nations

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      • #78
        Re: Peak cheap oil....

        2x Pretty good interviews in this 21 minute King World News Weekly Metals Wrap. The first one (Bill Haynes of CMI Gold & Silver) actually touches upon the phase/stage silver is in as per our above discussion (skip to 6:15 if you are in a hurry). Not sure I agree with the time spans mentioned (phase1: 10 years, phase2: 10+ years, phase3: blow-off phase), but otherwise I agree with his views. The second speaker (Dan Norcini of JS MineSet) reviews current fundamentals in the short term pushing silver & gold even higher. I also follow Dan's PM blog (click his link).

        http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwor...tals_Wrap.html

        (click "Listen to MP3" purple icon on left side, half way down).
        Last edited by Adeptus; March 06, 2011, 02:34 AM.
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        • #79
          Re: Peak cheap oil....

          My biggest sign to buy Silver (I'm still way overweight, too much to be good risk management) was that I could convince NO ONE to buy it. Not even elderly North American immigrants from India & China, 2 countries where Silver used to be revered.

          I was always VERy nervous about basing my conclusions on these subcultures because a good number of these folks re-balanced their mutual fund portfolios every 6 months based on the last 10 years' top-performers (!!!!) yes, I'm not kidding. A bunch still do, after losing money year after year after year. Despite many of their younger relatives telling them to stop doing it hundreds of times.

          Still can't convince them to get in, but now because "it's in a bubble" (or for those who don't speak the lingo, "it has gone up too much").


          Originally posted by Adeptus View Post
          I think we're in the early stages of phase 2 (out of 3). 3 = Mania phase.

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          • #80
            Re: Peak cheap oil....

            Wasn't kingsworld kind of talking down silver a month ago? Basically saying all the rumors about 100 oz. bars being in short supply are silly and the whole JP Morgan being short was a joke and all the shorts wasn't as big of a deal as people were making it out to be.

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            • #81
              Re: Peak cheap oil....

              Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
              My biggest sign to buy Silver (I'm still way overweight, too much to be good risk management) was that I could convince NO ONE to buy it. Not even elderly North American immigrants from India & China, 2 countries where Silver used to be revered.
              My one "No Thanks" story happened about 2 months ago when I was in a collectibles shop and the manager (who knew about and sold silver coins) turned down my offer of a silver round at $4 below spot to pay for a book I wanted. I think in a few more months, he'll be of the mindset not to make that mistake again.

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              • #82
                Re: Peak cheap oil....

                "Wasn't kingsworld kind of talking down silver a month ago?"


                That is not true from my experience.


                I tracked that site daily for last 8 months, and if anything, they have very bullish about silver; their guests (James Turk) have made specific price calls that, at the time seemed rather improbable, but have come to more or less fruition.


                As for the all the sensational "rumors, JPM shorts", I don't recall KWN addressing them significantly - I get the sense they have plenty of their own pipeline of legitimate and front line sources.


                My verdict: KWN is highly effective site - the proof in pudding will be whether they can help with leading indicator signals just before a "2008 like" crash (I was not tracking them at the time)


                (Disclaimer- I am one of the many (I assume in this iTulip forum) customers of some the KWN guests (Turk, Sprott - goldmoney, PSLV).

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                • #83
                  Re: Peak cheap oil....

                  Adeptus,

                  Referring to your earlier post, from my anecdotal experience ONLY, we are far from a Phase 3 "mania" in SILVER.

                  None of my family believes in it, one my friends who beleives in GOLD snorts at SILVER and says that "you have been reading too many bloggers".

                  The only colleagues who I could find kinship with in this regard were also loading up on ammunition and/or getting their homes ready to survive off the grid for months.


                  Any speaking of blogs and moving away from intangible stories to something more quantifiable, check out the following:


                  1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klswV...el_video_title

                  David Morgan explains how when Sprott purchased $550M of Silver for PSLV, they were able to calculate in advance that it would 2 months to get delivery, and move the marktet 4$.

                  -------> According to Morgan, this is more or less what happened.


                  Takeaway of the blog: imagine what happens if a few billion $ goes to physical silver (although conversely, my fear is imagine the reverse as well!!)

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                  • #84
                    Re: Peak cheap oil....

                    Originally posted by Kadriana View Post
                    Wasn't kingsworld kind of talking down silver a month ago? Basically saying all the rumors about 100 oz. bars being in short supply are silly and the whole JP Morgan being short was a joke and all the shorts wasn't as big of a deal as people were making it out to be.
                    Hi Kadriana, I think you are thinking of the Financial Sense Newshour podcast with Jim Puplava (different website). I suggest people bookmarket this site as well. They put out more interviews than KWN, and I like their slightly more balanced approach. While I am at it, I also like The McAlvany Weekly Commentary podcast, they are less PM centric and better at the bigger picture - which will come in handy when we need red flag alerts pre-next market crash.

                    If you know of any more Internet based PM and Macro-economics podcast websites, please share them here as well! I can't get enough of these, and I like to weigh opinions from different sites so I can get a less biased perspective. Thanks in advance!

                    Also they (Financial Sense Newshour) weren't talking down silver, they are long silver and talk about it daily. They are long based only on fundamentals - which is good enough for me. They were just talking down the speculation that 100 oz bars were soon to be non-existant. To be honest I agreed with their conclusion, that it would only be temporary and only at select locations. I think it is normal to have temporary shortages of specific products at retailers, especially when demand picks up fast. As an example, Scotia Mocatta (largest Canadian bullion bank) ran out at that time, then got some more, and as of a couple of days ago are out again. My personal dealer at the time had at least several dozen 100 oz bars (I know because I inquired suggesting I was going to make a mega-purchase, and they said - no problem, we have them right here), but at the same time they were out of Silver Maples and back-ordered for at least 3-4 weeks. At some point, silver may run out for a longer period of time as the above ground supply gets eaten up by investors and commercials, but that will just move up the price to try to attain a new balance, eventually supply comes back. Also all the silver in the world hasn't been mined yet, so more will come from there over time as well, the only question is, at what price.

                    Please keep sharing your precious metal stories here. We're all in this together!

                    Adeptus
                    Last edited by Adeptus; March 06, 2011, 05:20 PM.
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                    • #85
                      Re: Peak cheap oil....

                      Originally posted by cpnscarlet View Post
                      My one "No Thanks" story happened about 2 months ago when I was in a collectibles shop and the manager (who knew about and sold silver coins) turned down my offer of a silver round at $4 below spot to pay for a book I wanted. I think in a few more months, he'll be of the mindset not to make that mistake again.
                      Reminds me of Mark Dice trying to sell a then $1,100 gold maple for $50 bucks (legal tender value) without success. Bubble alright:

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                      • #86
                        Re: Peak cheap oil....

                        You're probably right and it was another website. I'm curious to go to a coin auction again soon and see if interest has picked up.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Peak cheap oil....

                          Short term correction in precious metals (??) - James Turk's blog

                          http://www.fgmr.com/trading-current-positions.html

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                          • #88
                            Re: Peak cheap oil....

                            And now, for a total WTF moment in silver news.... You can't make this *h*t up because you can't even imagine it!

                            Just when you thought the Silver conspiracy theories couldn't get any more crazy, check out this bit of news just released today...

                            Charlie Sheen writes to the CFTC on imposing stricter position limits.

                            Watch this Financial Times video, these guys aren't even breaking out laughing while reporting this. FT VIDEO: http://video.ft.com/v/807153573001/N...rge-technology

                            It even made it to the Wall Street Journal... LOL
                            http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/03/0...lver-investor/

                            Last edited by Adeptus; March 08, 2011, 06:02 PM. Reason: WTF
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                            • #89
                              Re: Peak cheap oil....

                              Below is Harvey's letter to the commissioner. Though I have to admire Harvey for gunning at the right target for the right reason, I think these battles are meaningless. One day the market forces will be so great that JPM or whoever will be squeezed but the time does not seem to be now. Like the volatility in the silver chart so is the noise from Charlie Harvey GATA and our new silver mascot- the wtf? chimp

                              Chairman Gensler and fellow Commissioners:

                              Friday night saw the release of two very important reports on silver. The first report at 3:30 pm was the release of the COT report whereby the net increase in the short positions by the commercial bankers in silver increased

                              by a rather large 3000 contracts. Also, 1 1/2 hours later, we got the banking participation report for February whereby J.P.Morgan who holds the dominant short positions here, increased their net short position from 19,000 contracts to

                              25,000 contracts. Over the past several weeks, JPMorgan has steadily reduced their short positions by a rather large 11,000 contracts. This was probably due to the Commission's urging, kind of like moral suasion. Three months ago, JPMorgan had a net short

                              position of around 30,000 contracts. The fact that this bank has a huge short position lends credence to its constant manipulation on the silver market, a fact that we have brought to your attention many times over the past several years.

                              The new net short position of 25,000 contracts represents 125 million oz. of silver. Global production of silver including China is around 700 million oz. Thus 17.8% of global production is concentrated with JPMorgan on the short side. How on earth could you allow this

                              to happen?

                              You must be concerned as to the reason why JPMorgan has decided to increase its net short position by a further 30%. Ted Butler hypothesizes that this may be by a rogue trader who "went on his own" instead of the wishes of JPMorgan itself.

                              This must be examined closely and reported to all of us. The fact that the largest concentrated position in silver (on the short side) added another huge position should have thrown red flags all over the place.

                              It has been 2 and 1/2 years since the investigation into the silver manipulation began. We have asked one simple question with subsets that has yet to be answered:

                              In 2008, JPMorgan held a short concentrated position of 25% of global production in silver. How is this not manipulative? If not manipulative, then why? Are the actions of JPMorgan on their massive short position legal or illegal?

                              How is this massive short position in line with your published guidelines?

                              Today, JPMorgan has a short concentrated position of 17.8% of global production. Again, how is this not manipulative on pricing?

                              I know you have asked the public for their comments and from what I gather, a huge number of concerned investors have placed their comments with you over these past two months. Obviously, the will of the people must be addressed here and preserve the sanctity

                              of the markets.

                              I hope that you will look into this matter immediately and report your findings to all.

                              Sincerely,

                              Harvey B Organ BScPhm MBA

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                              • #90
                                Re: Peak cheap oil....

                                Originally posted by Adeptus View Post
                                And now, for a total WTF moment in silver news.... You can't make this *h*t up because you can't even imagine it!

                                Just when you thought the Silver conspiracy theories couldn't get any more crazy, check out this bit of news just released today...

                                It even made it to the Wall Street Journal... LOL
                                http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/03/0...lver-investor/
                                miss one phreakin day on some of these blogs and what happens?
                                HILARIOUS!!!!

                                the: http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/03/0.../tab/comments/
                                ought to be worth the 'price of admission' on this one

                                but in fairness to charlie - the real one - lots of names are spoofed on the wsj comments - my fave is 'the undertaker' for those who've read his stuff: "the mad squirrel NWO criminal... bankster...fraud.. bernanke..." types etc who usually surfaces on the 'real time econ' blog - he was my hero (til eye found a ref to the tulip)

                                but methinks that charlie (along with lindsey) are just the tip of the iceberg/beginning of the krackup of the celebrity class, who if they werent already neurotic enuf, are starting to buckle under the pressure to keep titilating the masses (of celebrity worshippers in the lamestream media) to keep the eyeballs and the money rolling in fer hollywierd.... (since hiphop seems to be causing a tectonic shift to nashville, far as the music center of the universe is concerned...)

                                wrote the guy who couldnt make it to WY this past summer - dammit!

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