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  • Toyota Owners Feel Sooo Good

    So what do you think, boyz? Was it time to pull Nippon's chain? Goose GM sales with fed takeover? It sure as hell wasn't safety . . . .

    February 8, 2011
    Electronic Flaws Did Not Cause Toyota Problems, U.S. Says

    By MATTHEW L. WALD

    WASHINGTON — After dissecting Toyota’s engine control software and bathing its microchips in every type of radiation engineers could think of, federal investigators found no evidence that the company’s cars are susceptible to sudden acceleration from electronic failures, the government said Tuesday.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded that the sudden acceleration was caused by mechanical problems in some Toyota models — sticking accelerator pedals and floor mat interference — that it had previously identified as causes.

    The findings, reached after a 10-month investigation, neither implicated Toyota nor exonerated it any further than had been the case after the earlier investigation.
    Toyota eventually recalled more than 11 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles globally because of floor mats and sticky accelerator pedals. It also paid three fines totaling $48.8 million, because, the Transportation Department said, Toyota had not reacted appropriately to reports of problems.

    “The jury is back,” said Ray LaHood, the transportation secretary. “The verdict is in. There is no electronic-based cause for unintended high-speed acceleration in Toyotas. Period.”

    An engineer from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, brought in to help conduct the inquiry, was slightly less categorical but still emphatic.

    “It’s very difficult to prove a negative,” said Michael T. Kirsch, a principal engineer with NASA’s Engineering and Safety Center. But the electronic system for throttle controls in Toyotas would require two separate sensors to fail simultaneously in such a way that neither created an “error code” in the vehicle’s onboard computer.

    There were relatively few instances of even one sensor failing, said Mr. Kirsch, who added that investigators had access to Toyota’s designs, engineering and warranty data.

    Mr. LaHood and other officials were also quite diplomatic about a likely cause of the unintended accelerations — pushing on the accelerator instead of the brake. On Tuesday department officials called these “pedal misapplications,” and when a reporter asked if the problem was drivers making a mistake, Mr. LaHood shot back from the podium, “Nobody up here has ever insinuated the term that you used, driver error.”

    In a statement, Steve St. Angelo, Toyota’s chief quality officer for North America, said the automaker hoped the study would help put to rest questions about the reliability of Toyota’s electronic systems.

    Shares of Toyota rose 4 percent to close at $88.57, gaining momentum as news of the report leaked out ahead of the announcement on Tuesday afternoon.

    The government said it was considering new research, on “the placement and design of accelerator and brake pedals, as well as driver usage of pedals, to determine whether design and placement can be improved to reduce pedal misapplication.”

    It is also considering proposing rules, this year, that would require a standard method to turn off the engine so the driver does not have to insert a key into the ignition. It is also considering a requirement for “event data recorders,” a step it has long resisted. Many cars already have such recorders, simplified versions of an airplane’s “black box,” which capture data in the last few seconds before airbags are deployed, and keep information like engine speed, brake and accelerator application, and power of impact.

    Wade Newton, a spokesman for the Alliance of Automotive Manufacturers, which represents most of the large carmakers, said his group did not oppose a requirement for the recorders. “Our biggest concern would be making sure there was proper lead time — particularly for automakers that have previously elected to not install E.D.R.’s in their vehicles,” he said. “They’ll need extra time for designing, engineering, fine-tuning and working with supply chain issues to put these devices into autos.”

    The findings of the Toyota investigation were similar to those of a preliminary government report released in August. In fact, the finding vindicated not only Toyota but the safety agency itself.

    “N.H.T.S.A., America’s traffic safety organization, was right all along,” Mr. LaHood said. He said the Transportation Department had ordered the search for an electronics problem because in the hearings on Capitol Hill, at which he testified last year, “just about every member of Congress didn’t believe that we had found the problem, which was floor mats and the sticky pedals.”

    “As a former member of Congress, I thought we should listen to these members,” said Mr. LaHood, who represented a district in Illinois until President Obama named him transportation secretary. Speaking of his former colleagues, he said, “I hope they get the message today.”

    In claiming victory, though, Mr. LaHood was far different in his tone toward Toyota than he was last year when news of the acceleration problems broke. At one point, during a Congressional hearing, Mr. LaHood said that owners of recalled Toyotas should stop driving the vehicles if they were having a problem and take them back to the dealers, though he quickly backtracked.

    On Tuesday he praised Toyota for its plans to establish a $50 million safety center in Michigan.

    In a statement, the highway agency said that NASA engineers had evaluated the electronic circuitry in Toyota vehicles and analyzed more than 280,000 lines of software code for any potential flaws that could initiate unintended acceleration.
    As with the report on Tuesday, the preliminary examination given to Congress in August found no evidence of flawed electronics in vehicles that crashed. That examination found only one instance in which an accelerator pedal became trapped under a floor mat and none in which a pedal became stuck or sprang back too slowly.

    The recalls have marred Toyota’s reputation for high quality and safe vehicles, hurting sales for much of the year. Toyota said its sales were down 0.4 percent in 2010; it was the only full-line automaker to report lower sales last year.

    In response to complaints, Toyota has begun to install a brake override system, which allows the brake to stop the vehicle even if the accelerator is pressed simultaneously, as standard equipment across its lineup by the end of this year. The company also set up a panel so customer complaints are relayed more quickly to headquarters.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/bu...=toyota&st=cse

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    Re: Toyota Owners Feel Sooo Good

    Originally posted by don View Post
    So what do you think, boyz? Was it time to pull Nippon's chain? Goose GM sales with fed takeover? It sure as hell wasn't safety . . . .
    but hey!
    it sure as hell _did_ make for some damatically-distracting 6pm news tho - was esp hilarious to note the huge spike in the number of reports of similar incidents - immed after the first reports of sticking throttles first made the news?
    talk about the 'pavlovian response'

    and so, even tho there were NO PROBLEMS found (and no conspiracies), what do we get?

    Originally posted by don View Post
    cont, from the nytimes...

    The government said it was considering new research, on “the placement and design of accelerator and brake pedals, as well as driver usage of pedals, to determine whether design and placement can be improved to reduce pedal misapplication.”

    It is also considering proposing rules, this year, that would require a standard method to turn off the engine so the driver does not have to insert a key into the ignition. It is also considering a requirement for “event data recorders,” a step it has long resisted.

    no siree - we wouldnt want to add a whole bunch of new and costly mandates, even tho they wouldnt actually 'cause inflation in car prices' because that would make cars 'safer' so therefore, hedonically-speaking, 'no inflation there, move along' but why waste a good crisis?


    Originally posted by don View Post
    cont, from the nytimes...
    “N.H.T.S.A., America’s traffic safety organization, was right all along,” Mr. LaHood said. He said the Transportation Department had ordered the search for an electronics problem because in the hearings on Capitol Hill, at which he testified last year, “just about every member of Congress didn’t believe that we had found the problem, which was floor mats and the sticky pedals.”
    well ya cant blame _them_ for not wanting to believe there isnt any problem, i mean afterall, we wouldnt want to waste a good class action opportunity:

    http://67.59.172.92/article/Local_Ne...Vehicles/74550
    Attorney In OC Case Disputes NHTSA Report On Toyota And Runaway Vehicles
    (CNS) Posted Tuesday February 8, 2011 – 3:01pm
    An attorney involved in lawsuits pending in Santa Ana against Toyota over alleged runaway vehicles said today he disputes the findings of a federal report that concluded sudden-acceleration issues had nothing to do with electronic throttle-control systems in the company's vehicles.

    The U.S. Department of Transportation announced today that sticky accelerator pedals and poorly fitted floor mats were the only known cause of the runaway vehicles -- a finding that mirrors the claim made by Toyota since the problem was first reported.

    ``We enlisted the best and brightest engineers to study Toyota's electronics systems, and the verdict is in. There is no electronic-based cause for unintended high-speed acceleration in Toyotas,' U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said.

    NASA engineers conducted the study of Toyota vehicles at the request of Congress.

    But Steven W. Berman, one of the attorneys leading the class-action federal lawsuits pending before U.S. District Judge James Selna in Santa Ana, told City News Service the report's findings are flawed.

    ``It doesn't look to us like NASA looked really hard at the evidence,' Berman said. ``As far as we could tell there are thousands of complaints out there from very credible people. Some of our plaintiffs in the case are police officers who didn't have a sticky pedal or floor mat problem. Obviously they can drive cars, so how do they account for that?'

    hmmmm.... i dunno... maybe the cops are having a hard time making _their_ car payments too?

    and obviously nasa doesnt know nearly as much about all this techy-geek stuff as congress (read:the tort bar) does, right?

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    • #3
      Re: Toyota Owners Feel Sooo Good

      I liked this line:

      On Tuesday he praised Toyota for its plans to establish a $50 million safety center in Michigan.
      Sounds like $50 million was the cost to make this problem go away.

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      • #4
        Re: Toyota Owners Feel Sooo Good

        Originally posted by flintlock View Post
        I liked this line:



        Sounds like $50 million was the cost to make this problem go away.

        sho nuff...

        "....
        In claiming victory, though, Mr. LaHood was far different in his tone toward Toyota than he was last year when news of the acceleration problems broke. At one point, during a Congressional hearing, Mr. LaHood said that owners of recalled Toyotas should stop driving the vehicles if they were having a problem and take them back to the dealers, though he quickly backtracked.

        (obviously the correct Tactical Maneuver: hysterical over-reaction = payout)

        On Tuesday he praised Toyota for its plans to establish a $50 million safety center in Michigan....."

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        • #5
          Re: Toyota Owners Feel Sooo Good

          Space is available . . .



          without corruption how would the US "economy" continue to function . . . .

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