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    or is that rentier ....



    Phoenix-area real-estate market may face new reality


    As the Phoenix-area housing market's shift from boom to bust approaches its fifth anniversary, a number of real-estate analysts have replaced optimistic terms such as "recovery" with sobering talk of a new market reality.

    The landscape of tomorrow's housing market, as depicted in recent research papers and forecast meetings, is only a rough sketch, but three notable features have taken shape.

    Foremost among them is a much higher ratio of renters to homeowners than the Phoenix area has seen in recent decades.

    Another long-term problem, they said, is the large number of struggling borrowers trapped in high-end homes for which there are virtually no eligible buyers.

    Perhaps the most troubling long-term prediction is that certain pockets of less-desirable residential development simply will not recover.

    Trouble by the numbers

    Home sales and prices began to stall in mid-2006, but the collapse of the metro Phoenix market gained momentum in the latter half of 2007, when a disturbing trend emerged among recent homebuyers.

    There was a sudden jump in mortgage-loan defaults, which came as no surprise to those aware that constant home-value appreciation had been essential to the viability of certain loans being approved for first-time buyers.

    Popular mortgages issued during the housing boom were adjustable-rate loans structured to start off with lower monthly payments that would increase over time.

    Loans were approved based on borrowers' ability to make the lower, initial payments. It was assumed that by the time those payments increased, the home would have appreciated enough to allow the borrower to either sell or refinance.

    But when home values stopped going up, that exit strategy evaporated.
    Sales began to slow, then stall.

    When the number of pre-foreclosure notices issued to single-family homeowners in Maricopa County nearly doubled to 16,911 notices during the last six months of 2007 from 9,319 notices during the first six months of the year, the problem loan products were yanked from the market, but the damage was done. Home foreclosures skyrocketed to record levels.

    Home values plummeted, leaving about half of all mortgage-holders owing more than their homes' market value. Many now find themselves thousands of dollars underwater.

    Big questions remain about how much of the fallout is yet to come and what Phoenix-area neighborhoods are going to look like when the economy stabilizes.

    Analysts say they do know this much: The housing market will not simply go back to the way it was before the boom.

    Renter's mecca

    One fundamental change, according to housing-market analyst Mike Orr, is that more metro Phoenix homes will be occupied by renters than ever before. Foreclosure properties are being bought overwhelmingly by investors; other potential buyers simply haven't materialized.

    Orr said the ratio is changing rapidly, especially at the lower end of the market.
    "There is a big swing from ownership to rental," Orr said.

    The overwhelming majority of homes priced at or below $100,000 are being purchased by investors, he said, and nearly every investor has adopted a strategy that includes renting out the homes for a period of years.

    "If it wasn't for the investors, this market would be dead," said the Mesa-based Orr, who publishes the Cromford Report, a housing-market update read by many real-estate investors. "There's very weak demand from ordinary people."

    What's not yet known, according to Orr, is how large a segment of the population will remain renters in the years to come. Still, he said the shift from a buyer-dominated housing market to one dominated by renters will continue, at least for the foreseeable future.

    Long way down

    Homes at the high end of the market, those above the Federal Housing Administration's $346,250 loan-guarantee limit for a single-family residence, are proving difficult to sell.

    That is expected to be a long-term problem, as well.

    As a result, Orr said, many high-end housing submarkets are in the midst of a long, slow slide.

    Financially stressed borrowers in luxury homes face a much more difficult challenge than their counterparts with homes priced under the FHA limit, according to Arizona State University professor Jay Butler.

    Investors generally aren't interested in high-end homes, Butler said, in large part because they understand how shallow the buyer pool is for homes above the FHA limit.

    While banks do still offer higher-value "conventional" loans, which do not come with a federal guarantee of repayment to the lender if the borrower defaults, such loans are expensive, difficult to obtain and require a much higher down payment, usually about 20 percent as opposed to 3.5 percent for FHA-backed loans.

    Without a willing buyer, struggling high-end homeowners cannot short-sell the home. Short-selling, in which the home is sold for less than the loan's outstanding balance, has become a popular way for homeowners to escape suffocating mortgage debt without suffering too much credit damage.

    Meanwhile, Butler said, it appears that many high-end homeowners are running out of time, siphoning off critical savings and retirement funds to stay current on their mortgages.

    "We might see more people give up in the coming year," he said. "I don't see it getting any better (this) year."

    Long-term downturn

    Local analysts are predicting another long-term problem at the neighborhood level. Metro Phoenix residents most likely will have to live with pockets of persistent blight in areas where ill-fated residential subdivisions will not recover, some analysts said.

    One of the areas facing the greatest risk of a long-term slump is west-central Phoenix, where in some areas home values have plummeted almost down to nothing.

    Orr said no area has been dealt as hard a blow as Maryvale.

    "It's almost unbelievable what actually has happened," he said.

    Orr said it's difficult to envision how a recovery would occur in ZIP codes such as 85009, where the median home price has dropped more than 80 percent from the market's peak.

    "That means (homes) could double in price, twice, and still not be worth half as much as they used to be," Orr said.

    According to The Arizona Republic's most recent Valley Home Values report, the median home-sale price in ZIP code 85009 fell to $30,000 in 2010 from $160,000 in 2007, a decline of about 81 percent.

    Other areas at risk of non-recovery include some of the more remote subdivisions in northern Pinal County and the southwest Valley, analysts said.

    The new market reality is still being shaped: After a few months of uptick, Arizona State University has reported five straight months of home-price declines.

    It could be years before the Phoenix-area housing market of the future comes into full view.




  • #2
    Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

    It's funny how these commentators were laughed at and ridiculed here. Now they are right?

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    • #3
      Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

      I went to a real estate site and looked around that zip. Homes have sold recently for $18 / sq ft
      The pricing in that Phoenix neighborhood would be considered a steal in Ohio for home of similar size.
      Of course, I don't know the neighborhood - for all I know there could be sirens all day and gunplay every night.

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      • #4
        Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

        At the height of the bubble big boyz like Lennar could put out wallboard palaces for $65/Ft and market them north of $300/Ft.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
          I went to a real estate site and looked around that zip. Homes have sold recently for $18 / sq ft
          The pricing in that Phoenix neighborhood would be considered a steal in Ohio for home of similar size.
          Of course, I don't know the neighborhood - for all I know there could be sirens all day and gunplay every night.
          yeah, you wouldnt wanna step into that neighborhood at night.. I got taken to a neighborhood like that by a realtor, you can get crackheads walking down the street in broad daylight or have a house that is practically gutted by looters with no doors on the hinges, etc... These are at times shells of homes....

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          • #6
            Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

            Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
            yeah, you wouldnt wanna step into that neighborhood at night.. I got taken to a neighborhood like that by a realtor, you can get crackheads walking down the street in broad daylight or have a house that is practically gutted by looters with no doors on the hinges, etc... These are at times shells of homes....
            uh huh, tween that and no jobs (according to my bro who just gave up after 3mos, went back up to MT, calling it 'little mexico')
            the see-thru livingrooms must be even beginning to show up in scottsdale, eh?

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            • #7
              Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

              per http://www.city-data.com/zips/85009.html

              Houses and condos: 13,832
              Renter-occupied apartments: 5,724

              (realtytrak.com shows 739 foreclosures so just under 4% of housing stock)

              Dec. 2009 cost of living index in zip code 85009: 87.4



              Estimated median household income in 2009: $29,208

              Residents with income below the poverty level in 2009: 45.2%

              Per http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/zip/85009

              "85009 is a urban zip code in Phoenix, Arizona. Median household income here ($25,562) is significantly lower than US average ($56,604). The population is racially diverse, younger, and mostly married couples. The average house value here ($63,800) is significantly lower than in the Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale metro area as a whole, so this is probably a great place to look for housing bargains."

            • The Politics

              Congressional District: 04
              Congressional District Land Area: 199.0
              Sr Senator: John McCain (R)
            Last edited by housingcrashsurvivor; January 31, 2011, 11:34 PM.

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            • #8
              Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

              Assumptions for what ever -Flat earth, sun revolving around the Earth, Cat's always land on their feet, realestate always will rise with inflation inherent with the fiat monetary system, Stock price rise on a wall of worry, populations will increase to aid growth, water will always be available in sufficient quantity, Energy and food will never be scarce, I will live longer than you and Life insurance is a good bet (they know your going to die they offer you to pay them to say their dead wrong)........
              Can I count the ways we assume.
              Assume ..............it makes an ASS out of U and ME

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              • #9
                Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

                The only difference between a "home owner" and a "renter" in 95% of cases is the term of the lease. The former has a 30+ year lease, while the latter typically has a 1- to 2-year lease. In exchange for a long-term tenancy, the life tenant gets a somewhat discounted rate - although these days it's not very much. Which is why it makes no sense to take on a mortgage.

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                • #10
                  Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

                  Originally posted by don View Post
                  or is that rentier ....

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                  Other areas at risk of non-recovery include some of the more remote subdivisions in northern Pinal County and the southwest Valley, analysts said.

                  I’m seeing deals at $23 per sq. in Maricopa. Not a bad community. Palin likes it, anywhere is better than Alaska in Jan.
                  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_801120.html
                  12/24/10

                  MARICOPA, Ariz. — Bristol Palin has bought a five-bedroom home in Pinal County south of Phoenix.
                  Paperwork shows the recent "Dancing With the Stars" diva and daughter of Sarah Palin is the sole purchaser of the house in the town of Maricopa. She bought it for $172,000 from a North Dakota couple.
                  It's not clear if Bristol Palin will be a seasonal visitor or permanent resident at the home, in a development called Cobblestone Farms.
                  According to real estate websites, the residence is a two-level, brown stucco house with a tile roof, a landscaped front and back yard, and access to a community pool.
                  The Arizona Republic reports the 3,900-square-foot home was built in 2006 and was bought for a little under $330,000 at the time. It has 2 1/2 baths and a three-car garage.
                  Bristol Palin, 20, closed on the home in early December, buying it from Michael and Cynthia Smith, according to paperwork filed with the Pinal County Recorder's Office.

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                  • #11
                    Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

                    Originally posted by bill View Post
                    I’m seeing deals at $23 per sq. in Maricopa. Not a bad community. Palin likes it, anywhere is better than Alaska in Jan.
                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_801120.html
                    I was just in Maricopa this last weekend... That place is far as hell from civilization (at least for me)...

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                    • #12
                      Re: Dry Heat: Renter Nation

                      Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
                      That place is far as hell from civilization (at least for me)...
                      Sounds safe to me.
                      A snow birds paradise on the cheap.

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