Escalation in Egypt

[thunderdownunder]

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy...:1&q=suez&aq=f...

Report -H/T Zhedge
Looks like the roiters have captured some of the soldiers and are dousing them with gas. Appearently shooting the civilians and bombing their homes has pissed them off. 100 crispy, side of fries with that. Civilians are doing some sort of pack hunting now. The media is reporting 10's dead. The anon in channel is counting around ten on the street he just passed...

I can't wait to read the spin on this.
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AS in the Egyptian army is dropping 5 pound shells on their own civilian population because the police force has cleared out of town after the rioters burned down the police stations and a couple of places they knew people were tortured...plus a couple of other government buildings.



The anon in the channel is one of the govie techies and is giving directions from memory because there is no power and all land lines have been cut. Some of the local techs and engineers hijacked the verizon sat tower and got it up and running on a generator to keep sending tweets and maintain some basic communication in the area to keep pushing information outside of the area. Appearently the reporters, all of them have been accidentally shot.

Revenge of the nerd...the anon in channel just wants to get the fuck out of town and is shooting photos over his shoulder and getting his grandma out of town. Least that can be done is give him an extra five minutes.

[touchring]

Re: Escalation in Egypt

this is getting nasty. perhaps the US should ask Mubarak to step down. An elections monitored by the UN will still be 100 times better than a power seize by the Islamists.

[thunderdownunder]

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I would be worried - sightings of Black Swans landing on some minor canal east of the city of Suez.
People have no Arms, but rocks and anger can create loose bowls in people charged with keeping Law and order but who secretly support the moves.
lets see if it become "personnes sans frontières"

[touchring]

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I would be worried - sightings of Black Swans landing on some minor canal east of the city of Suez.
People have no Arms, but rocks and anger can create loose bowls in people charged with keeping Law and order but who secretly support the moves.
lets see if it become "personnes sans frontières"

Do you mean the Suez might be closed?

[thunderdownunder]

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No - but I know that in Turkey the word is out. These are highly educated young people who use technology to "hide" from the Mulas.
They say Its time to F#@K off all the autocratic leaders.
If this goes "Viral" - Ben Bernanke will have wasted a lot of bullets in the wrong place.
Black swans have a habit of destroying perceived ideas.
The US of Owe might wake up to a very rickety stock market.

Energy is everything. Lets hope it burns itself out before it ignites the World of stored anger

[thunderdownunder]

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I know you remember the Phillipines and Marcos. Not so different.
If and I say if, it escalates beyond borders aka "personnes sans frontières"- Well Yemen - Turkey- the hated house of Saud - all of the dominoes that where thought to be "stable as the pyramids" become a pile of insurrection.
the solution as always is Force - how much will be like balancing on a razor blade.
America Sleeps and will wake up to CNBC morning shows - until it doesn't.

[Thailandnotes]

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Egypt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12294804
The opposition figure, Mohamed El Baradei - the Nobel Peace Prize-winning former head of the UN's nuclear watchdog - says he is returning to Egypt later on Thursday to take part in the protests.
"I am going back to Cairo and back onto the streets, because, really, there is no choice. You go out there with this massive number of people and you hope things will not turn ugly, but so far, the regime does not seem to have got that message," he said in remarks on US website The Daily Beast.
Many Egyptians would no longer tolerate Mr Mubarak's government even for a transitional period, he said, adding that the suggestion that authoritarian Arab leaders like him were the only bulwark against Islamic extremism was "obviously bogus".
"If we are talking about Egypt, there is a whole rainbow variety of people who are secular, liberal, market-oriented, and if you give them a chance, they will organise to elect a government that is modern and moderate."


Yemen
where protests have started...BBC snapshot

Poorest country in the Middle East with 40% of Yemenis living on less than $2 (£1.25) a day
More than two-thirds of the population under the age of 24
Illiteracy stands at over 50%, unemployment at 35%
Dwindling oil reserves and falling oil revenues; Little inward investment

[BigBagel]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/op...27thu2.html?hp

NY Times editorial on the disturbances in Egypt. My favorite sentence: "Mr. Mubarak may still have a chance to steer his country on a stable path without sacrificing it to extremist elements."

[iyamwutiam]

Re: Escalation in Egypt

The pattern is unmistakable.

Despotic rule which needs more and more enforcement to 'allow' for continual concentration of wealth to elitist collaborators who have knowingly turned a blind eye to serious structural deficiencies with in their countries to enable the flow of funds outward to primarily Swiss and then American/French/German and English banks..

This new world where electronic and printed money is made freely available to various East India corporations to continue to be leeches on the welfare of the common man second and importing the wealth of nations to self-appointed G5. This spiraling cascade of resource misappropriation and confiscation of the peoples inherent right to a 'commons' had no other end result other than the outright extermination of its growing disaffected, disenfranchised and disappointed populace.

Enough studies have been done (particularly in Afghanistan) that this anachronistic method of usurping wealth from the 'nation' leading to ever dizzying heights of disparities can have no other consequence. South America turned socialist and the Middle East is turning Islamist - fundamentalist islamist -not to unfamiliar from previously comfortable broad minded americans' regressing to fundamentalism as an out cry against their awareness that participatory rule is a sham and the vote more of an ideal than a reality.

[don]

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For the first time in human history almost all of humanity is politically activated, politically conscious and politically interactive... The resulting global political activism is generating a surge in the quest for personal dignity, cultural respect and economic opportunity in a world painfully scarred by memories of centuries-long alien colonial or imperial domination... The worldwide yearning for human dignity is the central challenge inherent in the phenomenon of global political awakening... That awakening is socially massive and politically radicalizing... The nearly universal access to radio, television and increasingly the Internet is creating a community of shared perceptions and envy that can be galvanized and channeled by demagogic political or religious passions. These energies transcend sovereign borders and pose a challenge both to existing states as well as to the existing global hierarchy, on top of which America still perches...

The youth of the Third World are particularly restless and resentful. The demographic revolution they embody is thus a political time-bomb, as well... Their potential revolutionary spearhead is likely to emerge from among the scores of millions of students concentrated in the often intellectually dubious "tertiary level" educational institutions of developing countries. Depending on the definition of the tertiary educational level, there are currently worldwide between 80 and 130 million "college" students. Typically originating from the socially insecure lower middle class and inflamed by a sense of social outrage, these millions of students are revolutionaries-in-waiting, already semi-mobilized in large congregations, connected by the Internet and pre-positioned for a replay on a larger scale of what transpired years earlier in Mexico City or in Tiananmen Square. Their physical energy and emotional frustration is just waiting to be triggered by a cause, or a faith, or a hatred...

[The] major world powers, new and old, also face a novel reality: while the lethality of their military might is greater than ever, their capacity to impose control over the politically awakened masses of the world is at a historic low. To put it bluntly: in earlier times, it was easier to control one million people than to physically kill one million people; today, it is infinitely easier to kill one million people than to control one million people.[1]

- Zbigniew Brzezinski

Former U.S. National Security Advisor

Co-Founder of the Trilateral Commission

Member, Board of Trustees, Center for Strategic and International Studies
at the conception of the GWOT

[touchring]

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Kleptocracies are outdated. I doubt many can survive another 15-20 years from now.

[vinoveri]

Re: Escalation in Egypt

For the first time in human history almost all of humanity is politically activated, politically conscious and politically interactive... The resulting global political activism is generating a surge in the quest for personal dignity, cultural respect and economic opportunity in a world painfully scarred by memories of centuries-long alien colonial or imperial domination... The worldwide yearning for human dignity is the central challenge inherent in the phenomenon of global political awakening... That awakening is socially massive and politically radicalizing... The nearly universal access to radio, television and increasingly the Internet is creating a community of shared perceptions and envy that can be galvanized and channeled by demagogic political or religious passions. These energies transcend sovereign borders and pose a challenge both to existing states as well as to the existing global hierarchy, on top of which America still perches...

The youth of the Third World are particularly restless and resentful. The demographic revolution they embody is thus a political time-bomb, as well... Their potential revolutionary spearhead is likely to emerge from among the scores of millions of students concentrated in the often intellectually dubious "tertiary level" educational institutions of developing countries. Depending on the definition of the tertiary educational level, there are currently worldwide between 80 and 130 million "college" students. Typically originating from the socially insecure lower middle class and inflamed by a sense of social outrage, these millions of students are revolutionaries-in-waiting, already semi-mobilized in large congregations, connected by the Internet and pre-positioned for a replay on a larger scale of what transpired years earlier in Mexico City or in Tiananmen Square. Their physical energy and emotional frustration is just waiting to be triggered by a cause, or a faith, or a hatred...

[The] major world powers, new and old, also face a novel reality: while the lethality of their military might is greater than ever, their capacity to impose control over the politically awakened masses of the world is at a historic low. To put it bluntly: in earlier times, it was easier to control one million people than to physically kill one million people; today, it is infinitely easier to kill one million people than to control one million people.[1]

- Zbigniew Brzezinski
Former U.S. National Security Advisor
Co-Founder of the Trilateral Commission
Member, Board of Trustees, Center for Strategic and International Studies
at the conception of the GWOT

Spoken like a true oligarch.

This is the type of rhetoric coupled with facts that incites empires (like ours) to "do or die" type policy actions.

It is the counter extreme to the "it takes a village" and "why can't we all get along" naivete.

[Raz]

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I know you remember the Phillipines and Marcos. Not so different.
If and I say if, it escalates beyond borders aka "personnes sans frontières"- Well Yemen - Turkey- the hated house of Saud - all of the dominoes that where thought to be "stable as the pyramids" become a pile of insurrection.
the solution as always is Force - how much will be like balancing on a razor blade.
America Sleeps and will wake up to CNBC morning shows - until it doesn't.

"Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

John F. Kennedy

[GRG55]

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Spoken like a true oligarch.

This is the type of rhetoric coupled with facts that incites empires (like ours) to "do or die" type policy actions.

It is the counter extreme to the "it takes a village" and "why can't we all get along" naivete.

LOL. Brzezinski should know...after all he was the one that presided over the disasterous Carter Administration actions in response to the growing pressure on the Shah. Nothing like a "National Security Advisor" who couldn't figure out the need to secure the Tehran Embassy against a bunch of "revolutionaries-in-waiting" students. At least he seems to have learned something from that experience, unlike the many yet-again re-cycled economic and financial pundits spouting off in the media from Davos this week.

[flintlock]

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I've mentioned the unrest in this region to several people I know. They respond with blank stares. Do Americans simply not understand anything outside of their daily lives. I reminded my parents where most oil comes from. Now they get it.