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    "Our periodical monitoring survey over the past three years didn't observe any substantial erosion that requires sand nourishment."

    Spokesman for Nakheel

    The World, the ambitiously-constructed archipelago of islands shaped like the countries of the globe, is sinking back into the sea, according to evidence cited before a property tribunal. The islands were intended to be developed with tailor-made hotel complexes and luxury villas, and sold to millionaires. They are off the coast of Dubai and accessible by yacht or motor boat.

    Now their sands are eroding and the navigational channels between them are silting up, the British lawyer for a company bringing a case against the state-run developer, Nakheel, has told judges.

    "The islands are gradually falling back into the sea," Richard Wilmot-Smith QC, for Penguin Marine, said. The evidence showed "erosion and deterioration of The World islands", he added.

    With all but one of the islands still uninhabited – Greenland – and that one a showpiece owned by the ruler of Dubai, most of the development plans have been brought to a crashing halt by the financial crisis.

    Nakheel, the developer, was part of Dubai World, the state-owned conglomerate that had to be bailed out of debts put at around $25 billion at the end of 2009. The Dubai World Tribunal was set up to hear cases arising out of the restructuring and separation of the companies involved.

    The low-lying islands represent a vague shape out to sea when viewed from Dubai's beaches, but are visible by satellite or from the top of the city's Burg Khalifa, the world's tallest building, which opened to the public last year.





    According to the company, 70 per cent of the World's 300 islands have been sold. Nakheel is also behind Dubai's famous Palm-shaped offshore developments. Villas in the only one near completion, Palm Jumeirah, were given to or bought by footballers including David Beckham and Michael Owen.

    Though few celebrity buyers were found for The World, it was rumoured – or joked – that Brad Pitt and Angeline Jolie had considered Ethiopia.

    Many investors who did buy the islands proved unwilling or unable to finance further work when Dubai's property prices halved in the space of a year.

    Some were hit by troubles elsewhere – the owner of the company which bought Ireland for £24 million, John O'Dolan, committed suicide, while the man who bought Britain for £43 million, Safi Qurashi, is serving seven years in jail in Dubai after being accused of bouncing cheques.

    The dispute being heard by the property tribunal involves Penguin Marine, the company which bought the rights to provide boat travel to the islands.

    With little business, it is trying to exit the contract, which involves paying an annual fee of just under £1 million to Nakheel.

    Nahkeel say they will cash an advanced payment guarantee worth just over £1 million if that happens.

    Penguin claim that work on the islands has "effectively stopped". Mr Wilmot-Smith described the project as "dead".

    Graham Lovett, for Nakheel, said the project was not dead but admitted it was "in a coma".

    "This is a ten-year project which has slowed down," he said. "This is a project which will be completed."

    He said Penguin would make money eventually. "That's the price Penguin makes to stay in the game," he said. "They have the potential to earn millions."

    The tribunal found for Nakheel on Thursday, saying it would give full reasoning later.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...o-the-sea.html



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    Re: Dubai Update

    Originally posted by don View Post
    "Our periodical monitoring survey over the past three years didn't observe any substantial erosion that requires sand nourishment."

    Spokesman for Nakheel

    The World, the ambitiously-constructed archipelago of islands shaped like the countries of the globe, is sinking back into the sea, according to evidence cited before a property tribunal. The islands were intended to be developed with tailor-made hotel complexes and luxury villas, and sold to millionaires. They are off the coast of Dubai and accessible by yacht or motor boat.

    Now their sands are eroding and the navigational channels between them are silting up, the British lawyer for a company bringing a case against the state-run developer, Nakheel, has told judges.

    "The islands are gradually falling back into the sea," Richard Wilmot-Smith QC, for Penguin Marine, said. The evidence showed "erosion and deterioration of The World islands", he added.

    With all but one of the islands still uninhabited – Greenland – and that one a showpiece owned by the ruler of Dubai, most of the development plans have been brought to a crashing halt by the financial crisis.

    Nakheel, the developer, was part of Dubai World, the state-owned conglomerate that had to be bailed out of debts put at around $25 billion at the end of 2009. The Dubai World Tribunal was set up to hear cases arising out of the restructuring and separation of the companies involved.

    The low-lying islands represent a vague shape out to sea when viewed from Dubai's beaches, but are visible by satellite or from the top of the city's Burg Khalifa, the world's tallest building, which opened to the public last year.





    According to the company, 70 per cent of the World's 300 islands have been sold. Nakheel is also behind Dubai's famous Palm-shaped offshore developments. Villas in the only one near completion, Palm Jumeirah, were given to or bought by footballers including David Beckham and Michael Owen.

    Though few celebrity buyers were found for The World, it was rumoured – or joked – that Brad Pitt and Angeline Jolie had considered Ethiopia.

    Many investors who did buy the islands proved unwilling or unable to finance further work when Dubai's property prices halved in the space of a year.

    Some were hit by troubles elsewhere – the owner of the company which bought Ireland for £24 million, John O'Dolan, committed suicide, while the man who bought Britain for £43 million, Safi Qurashi, is serving seven years in jail in Dubai after being accused of bouncing cheques.

    The dispute being heard by the property tribunal involves Penguin Marine, the company which bought the rights to provide boat travel to the islands.

    With little business, it is trying to exit the contract, which involves paying an annual fee of just under £1 million to Nakheel.

    Nahkeel say they will cash an advanced payment guarantee worth just over £1 million if that happens.

    Penguin claim that work on the islands has "effectively stopped". Mr Wilmot-Smith described the project as "dead".

    Graham Lovett, for Nakheel, said the project was not dead but admitted it was "in a coma".

    "This is a ten-year project which has slowed down," he said. "This is a project which will be completed."

    He said Penguin would make money eventually. "That's the price Penguin makes to stay in the game," he said. "They have the potential to earn millions."

    The tribunal found for Nakheel on Thursday, saying it would give full reasoning later.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...o-the-sea.html


    Dubai is one of the most overrated places i have ever visited... No culture, expensive as hell and all foreigners... I was there in late 07 or mid 08 (cant recall), it was more expensive that NY or SF w/ absolutely none of the charm.... Alot of folks are gonna get screwed and if you think the local tribunals are gonna vote against the local companies (which are mostly owned by insiders) unless it was a blatant uncoverable lie or fraud; i've got a bridge to sell ya

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    • #3
      Re: Dubai Update

      Any updates on Dubai. Not just this project, but the entire build the biggest and most outrageous looking buildings imaginable disease that took root over there.

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      • #4
        Re: Dubai Update

        Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
        Any updates on Dubai. Not just this project, but the entire build the biggest and most outrageous looking buildings imaginable disease that took root over there.


        Temperatures today in Dubai = 42 deg C or 108 deg F. If you want water it might be a problem...
        Palm Jumeirah residents having to bathe in sea and malls

        Water supply was apparently cut off by a pipe burst four days ago

        Published Thursday, August 18, 2011

        Residents of a Palm Jumeirah residential complex were left high and dry without water supply for four days, forcing them to bathe in sea or use malls and office washrooms to relieve themselves.

        Water supply was apparently cut off by a pipe burst affecting the seven-building complex, Oceana, and the property management firm Asteco allegedly waited for four days to fix the problem, XPRESS reported.

        "The workers told me that Asteco, the property management firm, didn't want to pay another contractor to fix the problem and hence were happy to wait for as long as it took for their existing contracting company to step in," JD, a resident in the complex.

        Rather than fixing the problem quickly, the management offered them a stay into Movenpick Hotel at half the rack rate, which is Dh250 per night, which residents claim is a normal Ramadan rate.

        JD says he spent a day at a hotel, another day at a friend's and the last two days staying out as much as he could - only going home to sleep.

        Other residents like MJ and his wife used the swimming pool for a quick wash before heading to work. "As soon as the water problem was fixed on Saturday, the pool was drained and closed off...


        But then you could console yourself by heading to the gold souq and picking up a few of these babies...
        Dubai unveils gold bullion coin

        DMCC seeks legal tender status for the 24K five-ounce coin

        Published Wednesday, August 17, 2011

        The Dubai Multi Commodities Centre Authority (DMCC) has launched the Emirates' first gold coin.

        The 24-carat, five-ounce innovative gold bullion coin, features the portrait of the President His Highness Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan on one side and the world's tallest tower - Burj Khalifa - on the other.

        DMCC is in talks with the UAE Central Bank to designate the coin, minted in Switzerland, as a legal tender in the UAE...

        Just the ticket when you want to pay cash for that Rolls Royce. :-)

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        • #5
          Re: Dubai Update

          108 degrees with no water. That's brutal. I was wondering how these large scale over the top building projects are fairing.

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          • #6
            Re: Dubai Update

            Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
            108 degrees with no water. That's brutal.
            This is something I worry about living near Phoenix. Last August my A/C died and it was 104 degrees in the house for two days. This June, a transformer fire lost electricity to 150,000 customers and took almost 12 hours to restore service to everyone. A prolonged distruption of electricity or water here in the summer would be deadly.

            Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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            • #7
              Re: Dubai Update

              Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
              Any updates on Dubai. Not just this project, but the entire build the biggest and most outrageous looking buildings imaginable disease that took root over there.
              Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
              108 degrees with no water. That's brutal. I was wondering how these large scale over the top building projects are fairing.
              Apparently the phallic megalomania syndrome has moved to Jiddah...
              Saudi Arabia took a key step forward Tuesday in its plan to build the world's tallest tower and outdo Gulf neighbor Dubai, which inaugurated its own record-breaking skyscraper less than two years ago.
              The Saudis awarded a more than $1 billion contract for a spire that will soar two-thirds of a mile high, to be named the Kingdom Tower. It will have a luxury hotel, serviced apartments, condominiums and offices, encompassing some 5.4 million square feet.
              chron.com
              Meanwhile back in the UAE, a call for state subsidies for infrastructure projects.
              The UAE government must offer long-term subsidies to investors looking to back infrastructure projects in a bid to kickstart the country’s construction industry, the chairman of Al Habtoor Group said Sunday.

              Khalaf Al Habtoor, whose firm operates a joint venture with Australian firm Leighton Holdings, said subsidies and discounts on municipality fees would help boost the flagging building industry in the Gulf state.

              “The government should facilitate investment in development here…to subsidise and give them exemption of taxes for at least eight to ten years,” he told Arabian Business.
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              The collapse of the UAE’s real estate market in late 2008 has put the country’s real estate industry under the spotlight. House prices plunged more than 60 percent and billions of dollars worth of developments were scrapped or put on hold in the wake of the financial crisis, leaving construction firms scrabbling for cash as project finance dried up.

              Dubai’s real estate watchdog, RERA, said in March it was reviewing the financial viability of about 90,000 properties due to be delivered over the next five years.

              According to a list on RERA’s website, almost 300 projects have been suspended or cancelled.
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              The collapse of the Gulf’s largest construction market saw contractors rush to build their order books in neighbouring states Saudi Arabia and Qatar, where governments have pledged to spend billions of dollars on infrastructure projects.
              arabianbusiness.com

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              • #8
                Re: Dubai Update

                Thank you for the update. Much ego on display with these super tall buildings. I know next to nothing about these kinds of structures, but it strikes me that safety comes behind ego when considering these projects.

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                • #9
                  Re: Dubai Update

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Temperatures today in Dubai = 42 deg C or 108 deg F. If you want water it might be a problem...
                  Palm Jumeirah residents having to bathe in sea and malls

                  Water supply was apparently cut off by a pipe burst four days ago

                  Published Thursday, August 18, 2011

                  Residents of a Palm Jumeirah residential complex were left high and dry without water supply for four days, forcing them to bathe in sea or use malls and office washrooms to relieve themselves.

                  Water supply was apparently cut off by a pipe burst affecting the seven-building complex, Oceana, and the property management firm Asteco allegedly waited for four days to fix the problem, XPRESS reported.

                  "The workers told me that Asteco, the property management firm, didn't want to pay another contractor to fix the problem and hence were happy to wait for as long as it took for their existing contracting company to step in," JD, a resident in the complex.

                  Rather than fixing the problem quickly, the management offered them a stay into Movenpick Hotel at half the rack rate, which is Dh250 per night, which residents claim is a normal Ramadan rate.

                  JD says he spent a day at a hotel, another day at a friend's and the last two days staying out as much as he could - only going home to sleep.

                  Other residents like MJ and his wife used the swimming pool for a quick wash before heading to work. "As soon as the water problem was fixed on Saturday, the pool was drained and closed off...


                  But then you could console yourself by heading to the gold souq and picking up a few of these babies...
                  Dubai unveils gold bullion coin

                  DMCC seeks legal tender status for the 24K five-ounce coin

                  Published Wednesday, August 17, 2011

                  The Dubai Multi Commodities Centre Authority (DMCC) has launched the Emirates' first gold coin.

                  The 24-carat, five-ounce innovative gold bullion coin, features the portrait of the President His Highness Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan on one side and the world's tallest tower - Burj Khalifa - on the other.

                  DMCC is in talks with the UAE Central Bank to designate the coin, minted in Switzerland, as a legal tender in the UAE...

                  Just the ticket when you want to pay cash for that Rolls Royce. :-)

                  So, im curious how these multi-millionaires feel about having to take leak in a shopping mall? Or go about bathing in the sea? Arent these multi-million dollar homes? I'd be suing the shit outta somebody right now.....

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dubai Update

                    Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
                    So, im curious how these multi-millionaires feel about having to take leak in a shopping mall? Or go about bathing in the sea? Arent these multi-million dollar homes? I'd be suing the shit outta somebody right now.....
                    Sue somebody? I am chuckling to myself.

                    As I've said before the UAE [and the other Gulf States] is a third world country with a shiny but thin first world veneer cladding. I am certain that you understand this better than most karim. One of the reasons I say this is that the Islamic legal system is a joke. Most of the local Arab lawyers that work within it have little respect for it. Many, many expats found this out the hard way when the "unexpected" downturn happened. One of my professional colleagues who also has long experience in the region calls it "the logic free zone".

                    A small example. In one of the Gulf States a British woman I know who used to own a marketing promotions company was not paid by several of her Arab clients for events that she planned and executed for their companies. She in turn could not pay her various suppliers. She closed her business, found a job and was slowly clearing her accounts payable with her suppliers by allocating part of her salary. When her residency permit came up for renewal and she went to the Ministry offices the authorities arrested her and put her in jail, with the demand that they would not release her until her debts were cleared in full. When she didn't turn up for work she lost her job of course...

                    Once again, the sale of property to expatriates in the Arab [Persian?] Gulf never made any sense to me. There are no property rights. The promises of permanent residency status if one purchased a property were never enshrined in even the suspect legal structure that exists in any of these States - not even in Dubai. The legal system is a joke. The courts completely corrupt. There is no legal recourse. The whole eight years I lived in the region I told my idiot expat friends who were buying property [to get rich] that I didn't want to own anything the I couldn't put in a box and get out of there in a hurry if necessary. The only exception I made was my Land Cruiser. It still sits in the care of a good Arab friend, awaiting my next visit [which will have to wait until Ramadan is over and the temps drop]...
                    Last edited by GRG55; August 18, 2011, 08:47 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Dubai Update

                      GRG55 - as always I apreciate your candor. I have a few Irish cousins working there, they always proclaim all is well. I hope they will not have to deal with the system in the same way as your colleague.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Dubai Update

                        There isn't much "Islamic" about the so called sharia courts in Dubai and the region. Putting debters in prison, deporting expats on the slightest offence, not granting residence to expats born in the country, having higher blood money for locals than expats, not letting women drive (Saudi), etc etc. There's nothing Islamic about any of those.
                        They've just taken a few principles from the Islamic system where it does not interfere with the interests of the ruling classes.

                        The promises of permanent residency status were only for 3 years on a renewable basis, which suddenly became 1 year with no warning some time ago. Now I hear it's 2 years. Like I care, the expats that bought property for the long term, are idiots. Btw, GRG55, you can fit a Land Cruiser in a container on a ship

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                        • #13
                          Re: Dubai Update

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          A small example. In one of the Gulf States a British woman I know who used to own a marketing promotions company was not paid by several of her Arab clients for events that she planned and executed for their companies. She in turn could not pay her various suppliers. She closed her business, found a job and was slowly clearing her accounts payable with her suppliers by allocating part of her salary. When her residency permit came up for renewal and she went to the Ministry offices the authorities arrested her and put her in jail, with the demand that they would not release her until her debts were cleared in full. When she didn't turn up for work she lost her job of course...

                          In my opinion, this is what the West needs. If you can't pay your debt, go to jail!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Dubai Update

                            Originally posted by touchring View Post
                            In my opinion, this is what the West needs. If you can't pay your debt, go to jail!
                            I just spent 60 days in the jailhouse
                            For the crime of having no dough
                            Now here I am back out on the street
                            For the crime of having nowhere to go

                            The Shape I'm In Lyrics
                            Artist:The Band

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                            • #15
                              Re: Dubai Update

                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              Sue somebody? I am chuckling to myself.

                              As I've said before the UAE [and the other Gulf States] is a third world country with a shiny but thin first world veneer cladding. I am certain that you understand this better than most karim. One of the reasons I say this is that the Islamic legal system is a joke. Most of the local Arab lawyers that work within it have little respect for it. Many, many expats found this out the hard way when the "unexpected" downturn happened. One of my professional colleagues who also has long experience in the region calls it "the logic free zone".

                              A small example. In one of the Gulf States a British woman I know who used to own a marketing promotions company was not paid by several of her Arab clients for events that she planned and executed for their companies. She in turn could not pay her various suppliers. She closed her business, found a job and was slowly clearing her accounts payable with her suppliers by allocating part of her salary. When her residency permit came up for renewal and she went to the Ministry offices the authorities arrested her and put her in jail, with the demand that they would not release her until her debts were cleared in full. When she didn't turn up for work she lost her job of course...

                              Once again, the sale of property to expatriates in the Arab [Persian?] Gulf never made any sense to me. There are no property rights. The promises of permanent residency status if one purchased a property were never enshrined in even the suspect legal structure that exists in any of these States - not even in Dubai. The legal system is a joke. The courts completely corrupt. There is no legal recourse. The whole eight years I lived in the region I told my idiot expat friends who were buying property [to get rich] that I didn't want to own anything the I couldn't put in a box and get out of there in a hurry if necessary. The only exception I made was my Land Cruiser. It still sits in the care of a good Arab friend, awaiting my next visit [which will have to wait until Ramadan is over and the temps drop]...
                              yeah, i know the legal systems are a joke.... I was just guessing some folks on the scale of tiger woods would have "some" clout ;-) But, then your post put some sense into me ;-) Unless your ruling class you have no clout in any place in the middle east...

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