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    Even today, as the gold rally has reached the 10-year mark (following a 20-year bear market), the metal represents a mere 0.6 per cent of total global financial assets (stocks, bonds and cash). This is near the all-time low (0.3 per cent) reached in 2001, and significantly below the 3 per cent it accounted for in 1980 and the 4.8 per cent it was in 1968.

    However, there are changes afoot. After a lengthy absence, some asset managers and central bankers are readmitting gold back into the group of prudent asset classes. Assessing the devastation of financial industry and government balance sheets, fiduciaries have been reminded that one of the principal reasons to hold gold -- that it is the only major financial asset that does not represent someone else's obligation to repay -- is not the arcane concept it once appeared.

    I believe the renewed appreciation of risk management is in its infancy and that gold, like stocks and bonds, will recover its relatively small, but significant historical position in the world's investment funds. Considering the tiny size of the gold market, the implications of a potential return of gold into the world's largest portfolios are enormous. For, unlike stocks and bonds, whose supply can increase to meet demand, there is not enough gold to go around at today's prices.

    According to International Strategy and Investment Group (ISI), if gold ownership rose from 0.6 per cent of total financial assets to only 1.2 per cent, still less than half its 1980s level, this would equate to an additional 26,000 tonnes, or 16 per cent of aggregate gold worldwide. This represents 10 years' worth of current production.
    Is such a momentous development likely? I suggest it is more likely than not, as the metal is set up for a "perfect storm" from a supply/demand standpoint. At a time when mining companies can barely find enough gold to replace their reserves and production growth is anaemic, central banks have not only stopped selling their gold but are now aligning with investors to accumulate it.

    As it dawns on the wider market that the bull market in gold is real, the impact on gold mining equities will probably be dramatic. Until recently, in spite of their theoretical leverage, miners have lagged behind the metal's performance. This should not be so surprising. As most analysts haven't changed the long-term pricing of their cash-flow models to reflect a sustained bull market in gold, the shares have underperformed amid assumptions that are outmoded.

    This disconnect is similar to the experience of energy equities in the early 2000s. Even as oil surged, it was not until investors accepted that oil might not stay low forever and started to factor in higher prices that the equities were revalued. With the total market capitalisation of all gold mining companies only fractionally higher than that of Apple, any move by investors to capture the inherent leverage of these equities could drive stock prices substantially higher.

    Asset managers and central banks are just beginning to readmit gold back into the select group of prudent asset classes. That this is occurring at a time when what might be seen as the world's safest financial asset classes may also be its scarcest suggests interesting times ahead for those who own gold.

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    Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

    in the late 1970's, the price of gold was announced as part of the business news segment every half hour, round the clock, on both of nyc's all-news stations. when was the last time you heard the price of gold on the radio? there will be ups and downs along the way, but we've got a long way to go.

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      Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

      Originally posted by jk View Post
      when was the last time you heard the price of gold on the radio? .
      Every day. Multiple times per hour.

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        Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

        Originally posted by jk View Post
        in the late 1970's, the price of gold was announced as part of the business news segment every half hour, round the clock, on both of nyc's all-news stations. when was the last time you heard the price of gold on the radio? there will be ups and downs along the way, but we've got a long way to go.
        That's one of my personal benchmarks, jk, for when we might be getting into a gold mania territory.
        I remember clearly being in my college apartment,watching the evening news and Dan Rather giving us the Dow and the price of gold on every broadcast, every day.

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          Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

          Originally posted by pianodoctor View Post
          Every day. Multiple times per hour.
          what radio station are you listening to?

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            Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

            maybe this one? radio.goldseek.com



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              Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

              Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
              That's one of my personal benchmarks, jk, for when we might be getting into a gold mania territory.
              I remember clearly being in my college apartment,watching the evening news and Dan Rather giving us the Dow and the price of gold on every broadcast, every day.
              I remember the line-ups outside our Bank of Nova Scotia branches [the "Scotia" in ScotiaMocatta] to buy one ounce and fractional gold wafers. At that point it was in the mania stage and time to move towards the exit. As jk said, we would appear to be a long way from that yet...

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                Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                IMO, peak cheap oil over the next decade will point out that the current standards of "risk free" - sovereign debt - are not risk free, at least from the standpoint of preserving purchasing power. As that becomes more obvious, I think that should drive gold much higher.

                So far, I've only read two people that have laid out that peak cheap oil means what you think is risk free, isn't - Chris Martenson & Jeff Rubin. IMO, this is like 2003-2004 when there were only a few people laying out the risk that a bursting housing bubble could mean to the financial system...

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                  Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  I remember the line-ups outside our Bank of Nova Scotia branches [the "Scotia" in ScotiaMocatta] to buy one ounce and fractional gold wafers. At that point it was in the mania stage and time to move towards the exit. As jk said, we would appear to be a long way from that yet...
                  I agree, we're not to mania phase yet. But last week I had a relative that's foolish with finances give me advice to buy gold out of the clear blue in a birthday phone call.

                  I thanked him for the tip.

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                    Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                    Originally posted by coolhand View Post
                    IMO, peak cheap oil over the next decade will point out that the current standards of "risk free" - sovereign debt - are not risk free, at least from the standpoint of preserving purchasing power. As that becomes more obvious, I think that should drive gold much higher.

                    So far, I've only read two people that have laid out that peak cheap oil means what you think is risk free, isn't - Chris Martenson & Jeff Rubin. IMO, this is like 2003-2004 when there were only a few people laying out the risk that a bursting housing bubble could mean to the financial system...
                    ej made the argument to buy gold in 2001... warned us about the housing bubble in 2002... credit risk posed by the housing bubble in 2006... came up with the idea of peak cheap oil & the sovereign debt risk pco poses years ago...

                    he said peak cheap oil = more government debt... for food stamps & other govt subsidies for growing ranks of poor folks... recession stimulus... etc.

                    got my bias as an ituliper oldtimer... i'll put my faith in the guy with the track record & $$$ where his mouth is vs the new guys on the block like martenson.

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                      Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      what radio station are you listening to?
                      This one: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/station/knx-1070/ They do market updates at 10 and 40 past the hour, plus quick mentions of the market at other times. Usually gold is included though not always. Plus they do a market-oriented "business hour" at 1 p.m.

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                        Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                        Originally posted by Master Shake View Post

                        Up Up and away! as we drop down through $1340 ( off about $100 from the peak )

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                          Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                          Originally posted by metalman View Post
                          ej made the argument to buy gold in 2001... warned us about the housing bubble in 2002... credit risk posed by the housing bubble in 2006... came up with the idea of peak cheap oil & the sovereign debt risk pco poses years ago...

                          he said peak cheap oil = more government debt... for food stamps & other govt subsidies for growing ranks of poor folks... recession stimulus... etc.

                          got my bias as an ituliper oldtimer... i'll put my faith in the guy with the track record & $$$ where his mouth is vs the new guys on the block like martenson.
                          I respect your acknowledgment of your iTulip bias.

                          EJ certainly got it right big time on recommending:
                          exiting the equity bubble in 1999
                          buying gold at the bottom on 2001
                          predicting the collapse and fall out of the housing bubble
                          shorting equities at the end of 2007

                          Furthermore, his macro economic analyses are quite in depth, and extremely valuable in figuring out what is and will go on.

                          However, iTulip has gotten the timing wrong and had been flat out wrong on a number of recent calls:
                          -S&P down 40% in 2009
                          -S&P down 20% in 2010
                          - short China in Aug 2009

                          I believe EJ has even stated that he expected a greater downturn after the equity bubble burst in 2000, and did not foresee the extent and quickness to which the Fed could reflate the economy via an incipient bubble that, and even though he was right about the Fed pulling out all the stops and engaging in unprecedented actions to reflate the economy, I don't think anyone understands how this will play out IN THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM. The rules have changed, and seem to be continually changing (by the FED and other CB and governments). Without transparency and in the context of "rigged" markets, I don't know how anyone could be able to predict much at all with respect to the financial arena. We've only been off the gold standard for 40 years with currencies floating with respect to each other. With the internet and financial transactions occurring virtually instantanaeous and real time, governments around the world guaranteeing all types of assets to placate and reassure the investor class, anything can happen.

                          For peace sake, Fed funds at 1% for 1 yr (2003-2004) and slow rise thereafter and with a stable Fed balance sheet blew the housing bubble from 2003-2006. We have had a Fed funds at 0% for the past 2 years with no end in sight and a tripling of balance sheet. What does everyone think is going to happen? Stocks going down?

                          So while acknowledging the excellent and ongoing work of iTulip, facts are facts, and unknowns, unknowns until they are not.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                            I don't have much exposure to MSM news, but I've heard a fair bit about gold on the "right wing" talk shows. I think it was Savage himself in one ad. I don't know what to make of it, but real estate was being pimped for a long, long time before it finally blew out and then the bust has been slower than I expected too.

                            Isn't gold getting pimped by the govt in China? Unlike real estate which is "local" isn't gold more global like oil?

                            Maybe what's going on in the US isn't so important for gold as it was for stocks and real estate.

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                              Re: Brace for a 'perfect storm' in gold

                              To be clear, my intent of posting that was not to impugn iTulip or EJ at all. I try to filter out noise so that I am getting inputs into my thinking from smart, well-informed people with fantastic critical thinking skills. EJ & Martenson are both among a very limited # of them, & their work dovetails nicely with each others' actually.

                              My intent/point was that there is nobody except for a few guys on the "fringe" of the American media machine that are even willing to use the words "Peak" & "Oil" in the same sentence. You simply can't in the MSM b/c it is still the refuge of survivalists & doomers. And besides, if oil has peaked, & oil underpins the US dollar & US Empire...the corporate media owners simply can't be talking about Peak Cheap Oil.

                              This is the same way that in 2006-2007, the MSM could not say that the US financial system could collapse if housing prices fell. Now even Warren Buffett has acknowledged that "BRK would've been the last to go, but BRK would've collapsed too eventually had the US gov't not stepped in."

                              As such, my biggest & maybe only signpost for getting out of my gold is that I will be hearing Peak Cheap Oil presented as fait accompli, all the time, in the mainstream media - that peak cheap oil is a reality, which means the USD & related sovereign paper is not risk-free, & that the only way out is through massive money printing & understating inflation...which i think will give the monetary velocity of the dollar & therefore all world's currencies a bit of a goosing as people realize that the ONLY playbook is more & more dollar printing to infinity...sort of like when for whatever reason, "the German people smelled a gov't rat" in the summer of 1922 & German "monetary velocity took a right angle turn upward." (quotes from "The Dying of Money.")

                              The 8,000 tons of gold the US still allegedly owns would keep things from getting as bad as Weimar...but at today's debt levels, you need gold to be multiples of today's price to stop a hyperinflation...and I imagine we probably have at least a few more cycles of economic slowdown/money printing/recovery to go thru before the American public can rip their eyeballs away from "Jersey Shore" to notice that actually the most interesting story they could watch is what's transpiring around themselves...



                              Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
                              I respect your acknowledgment of your iTulip bias.

                              EJ certainly got it right big time on recommending:
                              exiting the equity bubble in 1999
                              buying gold at the bottom on 2001
                              predicting the collapse and fall out of the housing bubble
                              shorting equities at the end of 2007

                              Furthermore, his macro economic analyses are quite in depth, and extremely valuable in figuring out what is and will go on.

                              However, iTulip has gotten the timing wrong and had been flat out wrong on a number of recent calls:
                              -S&P down 40% in 2009
                              -S&P down 20% in 2010
                              - short China in Aug 2009

                              I believe EJ has even stated that he expected a greater downturn after the equity bubble burst in 2000, and did not foresee the extent and quickness to which the Fed could reflate the economy via an incipient bubble that, and even though he was right about the Fed pulling out all the stops and engaging in unprecedented actions to reflate the economy, I don't think anyone understands how this will play out IN THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM. The rules have changed, and seem to be continually changing (by the FED and other CB and governments). Without transparency and in the context of "rigged" markets, I don't know how anyone could be able to predict much at all with respect to the financial arena. We've only been off the gold standard for 40 years with currencies floating with respect to each other. With the internet and financial transactions occurring virtually instantanaeous and real time, governments around the world guaranteeing all types of assets to placate and reassure the investor class, anything can happen.

                              For peace sake, Fed funds at 1% for 1 yr (2003-2004) and slow rise thereafter and with a stable Fed balance sheet blew the housing bubble from 2003-2006. We have had a Fed funds at 0% for the past 2 years with no end in sight and a tripling of balance sheet. What does everyone think is going to happen? Stocks going down?

                              So while acknowledging the excellent and ongoing work of iTulip, facts are facts, and unknowns, unknowns until they are not.

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