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    howzit all - here in SLC for a little R&R/downhill'n (cuz when she's buyin, i'm flyin...)
    and ran into this lil gem - thot the mortgage-mers-mess was a nightmare, so far?

    i dont think we've seen anything yet.... (and never mind the foodfights that about to launch) - also have a few "non-inflationary" or "dis-non-inflationary" observations that i'll share after get back from the slopes....

    By Tom Harvey
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51...-loan.html.csp
    First published Jan 15 2011 07:04PM
    Updated Jan 16, 2011 01:01AM

    A Utah court case in which the owner of a Draper townhouse got clear title to the property, even though he still owed $132,000 on it, raises new legal and financial questions about a property-records database created by mortgage bankers.

    The award of a title free of liens means that whoever owns the promissory note on the Draper property — likely a group of faraway investors — no longer has the right to foreclose to collect on a delinquent loan. Indeed, the townhouse owner has sold the property and kept the money. Those who own the promissory note probably don’t even know what occurred.

    Decisions such as the one 3rd District Judge Glen Iwasaki handed down in the Draper case could have a big impact as the state wends its way through hundreds of lawsuits involving foreclosures, loans on properties for more than they’re worth and predatory lending practices that led Utahns to lose their homes as the real-estate bubble burst.


    Quiet title » Last year, the owner of the Draper property contacted attorney Walter T. Keane to help him deal with lenders, though Keane won’t say what the problem was and the owner declined an interview request.

    Keane filed what’s called a “quiet title action,” a lawsuit in which the owner seeks clear title to a property free of liens by lenders or others.

    In Utah, when you take out a mortgage loan to buy a home, you sign a promissory note held by the lender and a deed of trust that is recorded at the county recorder’s office. The promissory note gives the holder the right to collect payments on the loan. The recording of the deed of trust gives the lender the right to foreclose on the property if you default on the loan.

    A trustee appointed by the lender also is recorded with the county and actually holds legal title to your property subject to the conditions of the trust deed.

    The lawsuit over the title to the townhouse named Garbett Mortgage and Citibank FSB as the holders of promissory notes as recorded on trust deeds filed with the recorder’s office. Integrated Title Services was listed as trustee of the Garbett Mortgage trust deed, while First American Title was the trustee of the CitiBank trust deed.

    Trust deed tag-along » But there also was another entity listed on the trust deeds called the Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems (MERS). The Mortgage Bankers Association, the Washington, D.C.-based trade group that represents major mortgage lenders, created MERS in the mid-1990s.

    MERS is a database where promissory note owners are recorded, with MERS itself then listed on trust deeds at county recorder offices as the “beneficiary” of the note instead of the real lenders or note owners.

    The new arrangement greased the way for mortgages to be packaged together and sold to investors who were relieved of the need under the traditional system to record the true owner of the promissory notes and to pay the county recording fees, which average around $35. Attorneys charge MERS is largely an instrument to avoid paying fees every time a promissory note is sold and resold and eventually packaged with others and owned by group of investors.

    During the latter part of the real-estate boom, hundreds of thousands of subprime loans were packaged and sold using the MERS system. MERS has registered about 31 million loans, the company’s chief executive said in congressional testimony in November. CEO R.K. Arnold also said in a 2009 deposition that the system had saved its members an estimated $2.4 billion that would have gone to county governments.



    Who’s the beneficiary? » Under the state’s quiet title laws, Keane said he did not have to name MERS or serve it legal papers in the lawsuit because it was not the legal owner of title to the property. Those were title companies. In addition, attorneys contend, MERS cannot be the “beneficiary” or holder of the promissory note because it readily has admitted it has no financial interest in any notes or mortgages.

    Normally, a trustee named in a trust deed has a legal duty in Utah to the entity that holds the promissory note and for fair dealing with the homeowner. But in the townhouse case, First American Title filed a response to the quiet title action saying that it had no idea who had the right to collect payments on the promissory note, nor did it admit to knowing any other basic information about the property.

    “The fact of the matter is First American Title doesn’t know who the beneficiary of the trust deed is and basically they disavow any interest in it,” Keane said. “It’s an acknowledgement [the recording system on this property is] a fiction, that they don’t have any real interest in it.”

    Garbett Mortgage also told the court it no longer held an interest in the property. Integrated Title never filed a response to the lawsuit but did withdraw as a trustee with the Salt Lake County Recorder’s Office.

    “Considering the owner of the property [the title companies who were trustees] failed to dispute the matter, and further considering that the original lender claims no further interest, the court nullified the trust deeds prior to setting any type of trial date,” Keane said.

    So in the four months that the process took, the owner was able to gain title and deny the owners of his loan the ability to foreclose on the property for nonpayment. That means the promissory note owned by investors may be worth far less than they paid for it because it is no longer backed by an asset.



    Record reliability » MERS spokeswoman Karmelo Lejarde said MERS actually added reliability to the system of county recording offices.

    “Prior to the creation of MERS [when servicers routinely held the mortgage lien for the note owner], the information in the public land records was not accurate due to delays in recording assignments or missing assignments that never got recorded,” she said in e-mail that appears to be a boilerplate response to questions about MERS’ role in the nation’s property registration system.

    Normally, a trustee named in a trust deed has a legal duty in Utah to the entity that holds the promissory note and for fair dealing with the homeowner. But in the townhouse case, First American Title filed a response to the quiet title action saying that it had no idea who had the right to collect payments on the promissory note, nor did it admit to knowing any other basic information about the property.

    “The fact of the matter is First American Title doesn’t know who the beneficiary of the trust deed is and basically they disavow any interest in it,” Keane said. “It’s an acknowledgement [the recording system on this property is] a fiction, that they don’t have any real interest in it.”

    Garbett Mortgage also told the court it no longer held an interest in the property. Integrated Title never filed a response to the lawsuit but did withdraw as a trustee with the Salt Lake County Recorder’s Office.

    “Considering the owner of the property [the title companies who were trustees] failed to dispute the matter, and further considering that the original lender claims no further interest, the court nullified the trust deeds prior to setting any type of trial date,” Keane said.

    So in the four months that the process took, the owner was able to gain title and deny the owners of his loan the ability to foreclose on the property for nonpayment. That means the promissory note owned by investors may be worth far less than they paid for it because it is no longer backed by an asset.



    Record reliability » MERS spokeswoman Karmelo Lejarde said MERS actually added reliability to the system of county recording offices.

    “Prior to the creation of MERS [when servicers routinely held the mortgage lien for the note owner], the information in the public land records was not accurate due to delays in recording assignments or missing assignments that never got recorded,” she said in e-mail that appears to be a boilerplate response to questions about MERS’ role in the nation’s property registration system.

    “With the MERS System, mortgage data is more accurate and title information more reliable. The MERS process creates accountability and transparency, helps keep costs low, reduces the risk of errors in record keeping and makes it easier to keep track of the lien if a loan is sold to other banks and investors.”

    Gary Ott, the elected Salt Lake County recorder for the past 10 years, disagrees. He characterizes his office as a neutral party that permanently safeguards records, all of which are available for public inspection. In the past, parties were able to record each transaction or lien involving a property so a clear picture emerges of the title history of a property, Ott said, adding that with computerization, the recording is now nearly instantaneous once documents are received by his office.

    “You can trust what you see at the recorder’s office because it’s up to this date, everything is in order,” said Ott, “and you can’t see at MERS if it’s in order at all. That’s the scary part, and people’s homes are something you shouldn’t mess with.”



    Default judgment • Keane said he’s been able to obtain quiet title in the same manner in two other cases. Another attorney, Abraham Bates, said he recently also won a quiet title action in a similar case in Salt Lake County.

    In Bates’ case, a couple who owed $417,000 on a house whose value had dropped way below that also sued for quiet title.

    He named the original lender and a title company listed as trustee on the trust deed. Because neither responded to the lawsuit as legally required, the judge granted the couple a default judgment that still must be verified in court, Bates said.

    Bates said under Utah laws, it was not necessary to serve MERS legal papers, as it was not in the Draper townhouse case.

    “MERS is not the beneficiary of the trust deed,” Bates said. “MERS did not make the mortgage loan.”



    New questions » While these decisions stripped the owners of the promissory notes of the ability to foreclose on the property to recoup missed payments, it does not preclude them from suing the people who signed the notes to try to recover lost monies.

    But that action would open up a new line of questions about the MERS method of property recording, said Christopher Peterson, a University of Utah law professor who has made a national name for himself recently by questioning the legal foundations of MERS’ appearance in property-recording records and its role in foreclosures.

    Under laws adopted by all 50 states, the owner of a “negotiable instrument” such as a promissory note must be in physical possession of the document, said Peterson. Otherwise it would be like someone trying to cash a photocopy of a check instead of the actual check.

    “One cannot be a holder of a note unless one is in physical possession of that note,” he said.

    But Peterson said evidence is coming out in courts that shows the actual promissory notes or mortgages signed by buyers were not transferred as the notes made their way into the mortgage-backed securities investment pools.

    That could mean in these cases that no one is in a position to try to collect because the actual notes are lost or destroyed, potentially making some promissory notes investors think they hold worthless.

    Right to foreclose • Bates said he has more than 100 lawsuits pending over MERS-related questions and has hired more attorneys for his firm to handle the increasing load.

    State courts have been more favorable than federal courts to homeowners seeking to halt foreclosure proceedings based on questions about MERS’ legal standing under state and federal laws, the attorneys say.

    Rulings have gone different ways in different courts. But Bates said he and Peterson are teaming up to appeal a recent ruling by U.S. District Judge Tena Campbell that dismissed a lawsuit claiming MERS did not have the legal right to initiate foreclosure proceedings.

    The attorneys are appealing Campell’s ruling as it relates to Utah law to the Utah Supreme Court. A decision will help sort out the issues with MERS over whether it actually can initiate foreclosures even if it does not have any financial interest in the promissory note, Bates said.

    A ruling favorable to the homeowner “would be an absolute tsunami in terms of foreclosure in the state of Utah,” he said.

    If MERS is not able to start a foreclosure action, “then there will be a brick wall put up over all nonjudicial foreclosures prosecuted in this state,” Bates said.

    tharvey@sltrib.com

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    Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

    curious why no reaction to this one, when it mentions:

    "
    Under laws adopted by all 50 states, the owner of a “negotiable instrument” such as a promissory note must be in physical possession of the document, said Peterson. Otherwise it would be like someone trying to cash a photocopy of a check instead of the actual check.

    “One cannot be a holder of a note unless one is in physical possession of that note,” he said.

    But Peterson said evidence is coming out in courts that shows the actual promissory notes or mortgages signed by buyers were not transferred as the notes made their way into the mortgage-backed securities investment pools.

    That could mean in these cases that no one is in a position to try to collect because the actual notes are lost or destroyed, potentially making some promissory notes investors think they hold worthless...."

    wont this mean that everybody who has bought or _thinks_ he's bought a foreclosure will be having to fight tooth and nail to get title insurance, thus stopping the game and sinking that route for 'the recovery' to proceed on (meaning with RE firming, banks winning on extend&pretend if they wait it all out)?

    or does the RE section of the braintrust think this is a quirk isolated to UT ?

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    • #3
      Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

      If you do a search on MERS, there are threads about this at least back to August, 2010. That may be why you did not get any response yet.

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        Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

        There is an ancient concept of common law called "unjust enrichment" that is central to these mortage fraudclosure discussions.

        Probate judges know this concept; not many borrowers will end up owning a property on which they've quit making payments.

        From Wikipedia:
        Definition:

        1.n. a benefit by mistake or chance. Morally and ethically the one who gains a benefit that he or she has not paid or worked for should not keep it to the rightful owner's detriment. The party that received money, services or property that should have been delivered to or belonged to another must make restitution to the rightful owner. A court may order such restitution in a lawsuit brought by the party who should rightly have the money or property. [2].

        2. n. A general equitable principle that a person should not profit at another's expense and therefore should make restitution for the reasonable value of any property, services, or other benefits that have been unfairly received and retained.
        Of course, by any common measure this should also apply to the managers of banks who created this whole mess but remain employed with huge compensation and retain vast wealth. I have less hope the concept will ever be applied to them.

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        • #5
          Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

          Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
          There is an ancient concept of common law called "unjust enrichment" that is central to these mortage fraudclosure discussions.

          Probate judges know this concept; not many borrowers will end up owning a property on which they've quit making payments.

          From Wikipedia:


          Of course, by any common measure this should also apply to the managers of banks who created this whole mess but remain employed with huge compensation and retain vast wealth. I have less hope the concept will ever be applied to them.
          Well, i dont think this is always the case.... There is what is "right" and there is the law... You have to assert your right/respond to have this qualify under the law..

          If a lawsuit is filed against those on title and none of them own it and thus don't respond; the filer will get a default judgement.

          Quite title is a legal action that requires banks/ folks who have an interest to prove their interest.. The ploy here is that no one on title seems to be the owner, so everyone says its not mine any more... If you are not on title you cannot assert an interest... For any more depth than that the bank that most likely owns the revenue stream (through MERS) wont even be notified until it already loses its overall interest.

          They will have to sue to get back on title and perfect their lien, and they have to at that point pony up the proof and transfer of ownership, etc....

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            Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

            Originally posted by jiimbergin View Post
            If you do a search on MERS, there are threads about this at least back to August, 2010. That may be why you did not get any response yet.
            yes, thanks - am aware of the timeline on the issue - what i was getting at was how slc trib story was about how

            "...the court nullified the trust deeds prior to setting any type of trial date..."

            and how/why?

            "the owner was able to gain title and deny the owners of his loan the ability to foreclose on the property for nonpayment."

            and that the attorney simply:

            "...filed what’s called a “quiet title action,” a lawsuit in which the owner seeks clear title to a property free of liens by lenders or others.
            ....
            Under the state’s quiet title laws, Keane said he did not have to name MERS or serve it legal papers in the lawsuit because it was not the legal owner of title to the property. Those were title companies. In addition, attorneys contend, MERS cannot be the “beneficiary” or holder of the promissory note because it readily has admitted it has no financial interest in any notes or mortgages..."

            and merely by not showing up, the mortgage co/mers/who-evah, 'forfeited' the ownership of the title?

            isnt this a new twist in whats been going on since august?

            and wont this throw an additional wrench into the works of sorting out foreclosures?
            and wouldnt anybody be nuts to even attempt to buy em from either banks or at auctions today?
            at least until, likely years from now, that the courts (supreme?) deals with it once and for all (time)?

            or, in another twist - what would there be to stop somebody from looking up abandoned houses, target the ones that have the fuzzy paper trail on mers, taking 'adverse possesion' (squatting) and filing for quiet title?

            and doesnt all this present a huge hole in the fed/bernank's scheme to make us think "things are improving" ?

            as always, i'm awed by how the iTulip braintrust grinds down all these questions and comes up with the likely answers (long before the rest of the herd and the lamestream media even thinks of em)

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              Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

              Originally posted by lektrode View Post
              yes, thanks - am aware of the timeline on the issue - what i was getting at was how slc trib story was about how

              "...the court nullified the trust deeds prior to setting any type of trial date..."

              and how/why?

              "the owner was able to gain title and deny the owners of his loan the ability to foreclose on the property for nonpayment."

              and that the attorney simply:

              "...filed what’s called a “quiet title action,” a lawsuit in which the owner seeks clear title to a property free of liens by lenders or others.
              ....
              Under the state’s quiet title laws, Keane said he did not have to name MERS or serve it legal papers in the lawsuit because it was not the legal owner of title to the property. Those were title companies. In addition, attorneys contend, MERS cannot be the “beneficiary” or holder of the promissory note because it readily has admitted it has no financial interest in any notes or mortgages..."

              and merely by not showing up, the mortgage co/mers/who-evah, 'forfeited' the ownership of the title?

              isnt this a new twist in whats been going on since august?

              and wont this throw an additional wrench into the works of sorting out foreclosures?
              and wouldnt anybody be nuts to even attempt to buy em from either banks or at auctions today?
              at least until, likely years from now, that the courts (supreme?) deals with it once and for all (time)?

              or, in another twist - what would there be to stop somebody from looking up abandoned houses, target the ones that have the fuzzy paper trail on mers, taking 'adverse possesion' (squatting) and filing for quiet title?

              and doesnt all this present a huge hole in the fed/bernank's scheme to make us think "things are improving" ?

              as always, i'm awed by how the iTulip braintrust grinds down all these questions and comes up with the likely answers (long before the rest of the herd and the lamestream media even thinks of em)
              This is how any lawsuit works... Anyone who was ever sued or initiated a lawsuit knows that you have to respond, if you don't you lose by default. The thing being that you wont get a deluge of these... Savvy debtors may use it. Other broke debtors cannot afford an attorney to do this.. It could easily cost from 4-20K depending on how the lender responds or doesn't respond....

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                Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

                Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
                Well, i dont think this is always the case.... There is what is "right" and there is the law... You have to assert your right/respond to have this qualify under the law..

                If a lawsuit is filed against those on title and none of them own it and thus don't respond; the filer will get a default judgement.

                Quite title is a legal action that requires banks/ folks who have an interest to prove their interest.. The ploy here is that no one on title seems to be the owner, so everyone says its not mine any more... If you are not on title you cannot assert an interest... For any more depth than that the bank that most likely owns the revenue stream (through MERS) wont even be notified until it already loses its overall interest.

                They will have to sue to get back on title and perfect their lien, and they have to at that point pony up the proof and transfer of ownership, etc....
                and at the rate the banks/who-evah is walking away because its costing them more than they are willing to shell out to preserve their 'ownership rights' doesnt this really screw up the works for a diff reason than has been reported? (at least in UT)

                thats what i was getting at (even if i am late to the party here at i2lip)

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                  Re: another shoe, about size 38, drops in RE meltdown?

                  Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                  and at the rate the banks/who-evah is walking away because its costing them more than they are willing to shell out to preserve their 'ownership rights' doesnt this really screw up the works for a diff reason than has been reported? (at least in UT)

                  thats what i was getting at (even if i am late to the party here at i2lip)
                  Yeah, it screws it up for the banks but in the grand scheme of things, how many folks are going to do anything about it? Not many... It takes an entrepreneurial debtor to save up cash, research a legal basis and go engage with an attorney and file suit Thankfully for the banks most folks are chalk full of Simpsons and cocoa puffs to worry about actually thinking through it..

                  Its like any endeavor if you are willing to put in the effort you can force a solution... Alot of business is done in order to avoid lawsuits... In especially litigious scenarios you can have legal fees that overrun what you were originally fighting for.... I've seen legal bills upwards of 50K for an amount that was thought to be about 100K owed, but then a judgment doesn't guarantee you payment/enforcement, only that you have a right... And with that right you can go pound sand if the person has no money or assets to seize or the property is not worth the extra effort for the bank....

                  Discovery, depositions, blah, blah, blah... That shit's not cheap!

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