Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

[Starving Steve]

The National Weather Service just amended their weather forecast for January.
MUCH-BELOW NORMAL TEMPS on JAN 14th, 2011. The revision just came in and was posted Jan 11th.

Obviously, the long-term climate models were wrong. Not much consideration to dust in the upper-atmosphere from Iceland's eruption last summer?

Anyone care to look at the recent January temperatures in California? Look at the temps in recent days plunging to near 30-year lows.

Here for Victoria, Environment Canada is predicting 52F (11C) for late this week. Hello?????? That seems a bit warm for dust in the upper-atmosphere. Of course, the warmth would be due to air coming in from the tropical Pacific, but 52F in Victoria in January? I'm confused, as usual.

And then, the surface-sea temps in the La Nina are supposed to be cold. Then add the volcanic dust........ Show me.

I want the blossoms on the trees.

[lektrode]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

The National Weather Service just amended their weather forecast for January.
MUCH-BELOW NORMAL TEMPS on JAN 14th, 2011. The revision just came in and was posted Jan 11th.

Obviously, the long-term climate models were wrong. Not much consideration to dust in the upper-atmosphere from Iceland's eruption last summer?

Anyone care to look at the recent January temperatures in California? Look at the temps in recent days plunging to near 30-year lows.

Here for Victoria, Environment Canada is predicting 52F (11C) for late this week. Hello?????? That seems a bit warm for dust in the upper-atmosphere. Of course, the warmth would be due to air coming in from the tropical Pacific, but 52F in Victoria in January? I'm confused, as usual.

And then, the surface-sea temps in the La Nina are supposed to be cold. Then add the volcanic dust........ Show me.

I want the blossoms on the trees.

HOOOOO HAAAAAA!
you, Mr Steve, are a riot and one of the better entertainers on iTulip...

hey - but if ya think its been wintry-like so far, check this out:

http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/...st_loop-12.gif

last time eye saw that kind of pattern was when mammoth got 17feet - and then out here, we're getting this:

A WINTER STORM WATCH HAS BEEN POSTED FOR THE BIG ISLAND SUMMITS
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH THURSDAY
AS SNOW LEVELS WILL BE NEAR 11000 FEET AND THERE
WILL BE DEEP LAYER MOISTURE SUFFICIENT TO
FORECAST BETWEEN 1 AND 2 FEET OF TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATION
OVER THE TOP THE SUMMITS...COMBINED
WITH BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW FROM STRONG WINDS.

= situation NORMAL for this time o year

[Starving Steve]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Yes, the weather situation is normal for this time of year, and that makes my point, exactly. The climate of the Earth is not changing, and the trend always reverts back to the mean. (The drunk stumbling around the lamp-post never waunders far from it, at least not for very long.)

Funny, how the climate-forcing bunch was so convinced a few years ago that the Earth was going to experience global-warming, and the sea-levels were going to flood all of the coastal cities. To use the words from Al Gore's book, The Inconvenient Truth: that the issue of man-made global warming has been settled in science.

[LorenS]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

The drunk is an apt analogy. They get so used to waking up every morning, - normally your body can recover - right? but occasionally they go one too far and end up on a slab in the morgue.

The earth can absorb a lot, but what if we do go one too far?

In Colorado we've had an unusually warm and dry winter up to now.

Weather seems to have a lot of similarities to fractals. What if we jump attractors?

[don]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Last night's weather mentioned there was snow in 49 out of 50 states. I wasn't sure I heard that right. Now I know, thanks to lektrode

[lektrode]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

The drunk is an apt analogy. They get so used to waking up every morning, - normally your body can recover - right? but occasionally they go one too far and end up on a slab in the morgue.

The earth can absorb a lot, but what if we do go one too far?

In Colorado we've had an unusually warm and dry winter up to now.

Weather seems to have a lot of similarities to fractals. What if we jump attractors?

how about just a la nina winter?

http://arapahoebasin.com/ABasin/snow...s/default.aspx
Midway Snow Depth: 50" not too far off, not a record in any direction

http://www.coppercolorado.com/winter.../dom/snow.html
season tl to date: 177.0 = about typical

Mid Mountain	Upper Mountain
55.0	66.0

http://www.winterparkresort.com/moun...port/index.htm
season to date:146.7" = about typical for this time of year

Summit Depth	Mid-Mountain Depth
55"	51"

http://www.vail.com/mountain/current...er-report.aspx

SNOW CONDITIONS
SNOW CONDITIONS Powder/Packed Powder Base Depth 47 "119 cms Season Total 214 "
oh yeah the HTML gets real tricky real fast - but from what eye can see, so far, would say the CO rockies are more or less typical for this point in the season - but the big news is MAMMOTH = KRANKIN!

[lektrode]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Last night's weather mentioned there was snow in 49 out of 50 states. I wasn't sure I heard that right. Now I know, thanks to lektrode

thanyou, thanyouvermush....

its just getting underway: http://mkwc.ifa.hawaii.edu/current/road-conditions/ scroll down for the views
been settin here waiting for it to pass by, finally a slot in it, so gotta change an a/c compressor - back for more later

[Verrocchio]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

The National Weather Service just amended their weather forecast for January.
MUCH-BELOW NORMAL TEMPS on JAN 14th, 2011. The revision just came in and was posted Jan 11th.

Obviously, the long-term climate models were wrong. Not much consideration to dust in the upper-atmosphere from Iceland's eruption last summer?

Anyone care to look at the recent January temperatures in California? Look at the temps in recent days plunging to near 30-year lows.

Here for Victoria, Environment Canada is predicting 52F (11C) for late this week. Hello?????? That seems a bit warm for dust in the upper-atmosphere. Of course, the warmth would be due to air coming in from the tropical Pacific, but 52F in Victoria in January? I'm confused, as usual.

And then, the surface-sea temps in the La Nina are supposed to be cold. Then add the volcanic dust........ Show me.

I want the blossoms on the trees.

You're right to point at volcanic activity for the cold temperatures this winter in North America, but you've got the wrong volcano. Meteorologists trace the bitter cold back to eruptions from the Ring of Fire on the Kamchatka Peninsula and the excessively long solar minimum that, hopefully, recently ended.

[lsa420]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

72 degrees tomorrow in southern California....

I hate living here!!

[mesyn191]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Yes, the weather situation is normal for this time of year, and that makes my point, exactly. The climate of the Earth is not changing, and the trend always reverts back to the mean. (The drunk stumbling around the lamp-post never waunders far from it, at least not for very long.)

Funny, how the climate-forcing bunch was so convinced a few years ago that the Earth was going to experience global-warming, and the sea-levels were going to flood all of the coastal cities. To use the words from Al Gore's book, The Inconvenient Truth: that the issue of man-made global warming has been settled in science.

The Global Warming folks are talking about a change in climate while you talk about the weather. There is a big difference between those 2 things.

They're talking about an increase of avg. yearly temps of a few degrees C over a few decades or so. You'll still get very cold winters, maybe even colder than we get now. You'll also however get longer or warmer summer, fall, and/or spring. If this happened for a year or 2 no one would give a shit. If it is sustained for decades or hundreds of years then yes bad things may happen since our ecosystems are quite delicate and can only adapt to change slowly.

[we_are_toast]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Keep looking in that back yard Steve, it really does represent the entire universe.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 12 (UPI) -- Last year tied with 2005 as the warmest year based on global surface temperature, data from the National Climatic Data Center indicate.

Earth's temperature was 1.12 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th century average, USA Today reported Wednesday.

The data indicated higher-than-average temperatures were recorded for most of the globe's surface. The highest temperatures were reported in high-latitude regions of the northern hemisphere, Canada, Alaska, the tropical region Atlantic Ocean, the Middle East, Eastern Europe and northern Africa.

Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2001, USA Today reported. Last year also was the 34th straight year that global temperatures were above average.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011...#ixzz1AvJxHEVL

[flintlock]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Kids have been out of school the whole week down here in GA due to FROZEN SNOW on the ground.

[housingcrashsurvivor]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Even over a generation, backyard temperatures do not tell the story.

I thought I moved into an agricultural hardiness zone of 9b even though many sources called this area a zone 10 and transported numerous tropicals (mostly the bamboos, not the palms) from my previous zone 10b garden thinking they'd struggle every so often but should survive at least below grade to rise again in spring. So of course just as I start planting, my new area gets its coldest winter in recent history with the coldest January in recorded history in 2010 (including 5 days freeze in one week with 4 of those in the 20s) followed by this consecutive winter with so far two freezes in December (also the coldest in locally recorded history) and one just this morning lasting 4 hours down to 30F. The forecast had been for 25F. Glad we missed that.

For years residents here had planted as if they were living in the tropics with Home Depot & Lowes & the like pushing as much inappropriate landscape material as they could sell and that they still sell as if we were located further south. In fact. I see about 98% of the same plants being sold here as I did in my old 10b location.

So now I've looked at records going back to 1890 which tells a different story. For the last 20 years, there were 10 years with no freeze at all and 8 years with just 1 day of freeze (probably just a few hours) each and two years with three freeze days.

So in the backyard memory, half the time there's not even a single freeze. But going back to 1890, I find only 44 of 120 years with no freeze or about 1/3rd of the time, not half. In backyard memory, there was just 3 of 20 years (15%) with multi-day freezes. but in the last 120, there were 46 years with multi-day freezes (38%) including 15 years with at least 5 freeze days each.

Outside of our own backyards, it actually gets cold here about twice as much as the residents here think it does, as I thought I had understood before moving here and certainly as marketers want us to think. And even after so many lost 1000s of $s of tropicals they'd enjoyed growing for a generation, after our last freeze of January so much died, so many residents still in disbelief. So many frondless palms decaying in yards, the owners not having the heart or funds to cut them down. So much of the same inappropriate plants still on display at the stores and so many people still buying into the notion that we are living in the tropics just because this is Florida.

Meanwhile, as local, privately owned nurseries were cranked up for a continued building spree, they are now experiencing a deep Depression, much of their stock not tended to, rooting into the ground and all of it selling at huge discounts. It is supposed to freeze again tonight. Later this month I'll see what survived and plant my new garden from the ruins of that.

Meanwhile, it's about noon and still only 45 degrees out there. If this weather keeps up, I'm selling out and moving to Florida.

[c1ue]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

Nine of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2001, USA Today reported. Last year also was the 34th straight year that global temperatures were above average.

Of course the small problem is the assumption of the trend being due to a very specific cause: anthropogenic CO2.

The second problem is that the temperature records in question are generally quite short. And inconsistent vs. past methods/areas/numbers of monitoring stations.

Records like the Central England Temperature, on the other hand, extend back to 1659 and is consistent.

Yet we don't hear much about this: December 2010 was the second coldest EVER in the CET - a span of 350+ years:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central...nd_temperature

It should be noted that the end of the Little Ice Age is generally believed to have been around 1650, with secondary minimums in 1770 and 1850. Note the other record lows in comparison to these dates.

And then of course there are the other inconvenient facts:

Ocean heat content is not only not rising, it is dropping:



Yes, this is the 'travesty' of missing heat from the infamous ClimateGate email by Kevin Trenberth.

Note that the spike in 2000 was due to the El Nino induced temperature spike in 1998; since then nothing. Nor does this graph resemble the atmospheric CO2 graph in any way, shape, or form:



And of course along with the ongoing litany of failed, false, or just plain fraudulent predictions:

1) IPCC temperature projections continue to be too high
2) Polar Bears not dying off
3) Glaciers in not shrinking due to temperature
4) Arctic not ice free - in fact ships are stuck in the ice as we speak
5) Winter snow not disappearing, especially so in England (!)
6) Amazon not dying off due to drought or any other 'climate change' issue

the list goes on and on.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Jan 14th to be "MUCH BELOW AVERAGE TEMP" for the Upper Mid-west and throughout much of the South-eastern U.S.

The Global Warming folks are talking about a change in climate while you talk about the weather. There is a big difference between those 2 things.

They're talking about an increase of avg. yearly temps of a few degrees C over a few decades or so. You'll still get very cold winters, maybe even colder than we get now. You'll also however get longer or warmer summer, fall, and/or spring. If this happened for a year or 2 no one would give a shit. If it is sustained for decades or hundreds of years then yes bad things may happen since our ecosystems are quite delicate and can only adapt to change slowly.

If I observe the drunk waundering-away from the lamp-post in Chicago and waundering to New York City, then something quite interesting has happened.

If I observe a black-jack dealer hitting a 15 and drawing-out to 21 over and over again, then I would say that something interesting has happened.

If I observe heavy snow at San Francisco International Airport, year-after-year, without an end---- it just keeps happening at an airport that has had a long history of barely a trace of snow per decade, then I would say that something interesting has happened.

If Cairo, Egypt has 10-inches of rain every year, for decades, then I would say something interesting has happened.

Being a climatologist and an "official moron", climate is rather boring. The drunk has to keep returning to the lamp-post and hanging around it. Otherwise, things could get very troublesome on this planet, at least for mankind.

I have seen snow in Berkeley, California. I have seen snow in San Jose, California. I have observed hail in Berkeley in June in a thunderstorm, etc. Rare events do occur, once in a long while. But the drunk keeps coming back to the lamp-post.

I have films of tank battles taking-place in the Qatara Depression, near El Alamein, Egypt in World War II. The rain was pouring-down....... Rare events do happen, naturally..... But the drunk keeps returning to the lamp-post. That is the bottomline.

So long as buildings are not constructed around the climate station at an airport, the climate everywhere is remarkably stable. It is BORING! So far, the sea-level is rather steady, and it is rising at about 7-inches per century. This has been happening since the ice-sheets melted about 10,000 years ago, except that when the ice-sheets melted for the first few centuries, the sea-level rose about 300 feet. Since then, climatology has been a rather dismal and boring science.

We had a Little Ice Age for a few hundred years, roughly 1400-1900 AD, but that was about all that has happened to the climate. Watching the drunk is boring!

The sea-level is high, but the Florida Keys are still above sea-level. The Bahama Islands are still there. Downtown London, UK is not flooding with sea-water, nor is San Francisco, nor is Victoria, BC, nor is....... Well, you get the idea.

Yes, New Orleans flooded, but New Orleans is well below sea-level, and hurricanes do happen. If you would like to live in New Orleans, just make certain that your levies are strong. Otherwise, the climate is BORING.

Midway Island is still there. Sand Island at Midway is still there. French Frigate Shoals in Hawaii is still there. BORING!

What more can I say? The drunk keeps stumbling back to the lamp-post. That is where he hangs-out.

The biosphere on Earth is remarkably adapted to surviving weather changes, but the climate is remarkably stable. Since mankind has been around, the evidence is that the climate is becoming even more stable and down-right boring! The biosphere is adapting very well, and the biosphere is robust.

Life is everywhere on Earth, and life is doing better now than ever before. There are no "dead-zones" on Earth. There is even life underneath the glaciers in Antarctica. Everything living on this planet adapts and slowly evolves..... That is what life on Earth is about.

This is the living planet. This is the Earth.