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    China Lights, Global Floods, Australian Coal
    gregor macdonald

    One detects a slow, ironic hooray welling up from the climate change community this week because after a year of intense weather that’s devastated food crops worldwide now an epic flood in Australia threatens to cripple the production of coal. Accounting for 30% of global energy supply–and ready to go higher as oil supply declines–coal was thought to be permanently relegated to the 19th century only a decade ago. Now, however, coal is the go-to energy source of the developing world, the 5 billion people now passing through the gears of industrialism. And Australian coal, both thermal and metallurgical, is called upon heavily to feed this soaring demand. But as flooding in Queensland, Australia’s northern coal country, spreads over an area as large 350,000 square miles, what will happen to coal production and the export of coal?

    One country asking that question today is China. Over the past 10 years developing world coal-consumption growth has been rising by nearly 7.5% per year. The majority of that growth has come from China, which uses metallurgical coal to make steel and thermal coal to stay warm, and keep the lights on. This NASA Earth Observatory shot (shown below) was taken just last week, and covers the Beijing-Tianjin axis. The 35-40 million people here under the gaze of NASA’s satellite are drawing their electricity from coal because that’s what powers China. Not oil, not solar, not wind, but coal.



    Over 70% of China’s economy is funded by coal energy. Moreover, if developing world coal demand growth is advancing at nearly 7.5% per year, then obviously that makes for a doubling of coal demand every ten years. And that’s exactly what took place over the past decade. Can China and the other emerging markets double their coal consumption a second time, this coming decade? The nightmare of a world transitioning back to coal is no longer just a subject for discussion at Copenhagen, or Cancun. It’s not just climate change activists who are alarmed by the heady production of worldwide CO2, or the extreme weather events now associated with global warming. Munich Re reported on Monday that 2010 was one of the most loss-intensive years since 1980, for natural catastrophes. More importantly, landslides, storms, super-fires, and floods featured prominently in the details of the Munich Re report.

    And now comes the Australian flood. Like a film released too late for consideration in the 2010 class of catastrophes, the massive deluge which will not only affect coal exports but also wheat supply will no doubt feature prominently in Munich Re’s 2011 report next year. Below is just a detail of the massive Bowen Basin, capturing some of the big export facilities from Abbot Point to Dalrymple Bay. Coal observers, and coal investors, will know that Australia has been going through an infrastructure upgrade cycle the past ten years that has significantly boosted the volumes from this coast. But that is not going to be of much help now, as companies from Rio Tinto, Peabody, and Anglo-American have declared force-majeure on coal shipments, and the list is growing.



    Concern is no doubt growing across Asia. Coal prices were already in a strong upswing the past six months prior to this event. Worse, pressure had been forming in China’s power sector since late Autumn, driving small industry owners to fire up their diesel generators which triggered a knock-on effect to global distillate prices. Cold, northern-hemisphere temperatures have further aggravated the situation driving the price of European Gasoil to recent highs, along with Brent oil. In other words, both the developing world–hooked on coal–and the developed world with its leverage to oil are now in this together. Even the normally complacent IEA in Paris is raising its voice, now admitting the new levels in oil prices are a threat to a recovery.

    The points of contact between global coal and oil, therefore, are a bit more numerous than most might imagine. Not only did a crimp on electrical power in China drive demand towards diesel, but the Australian floods are going to pressure both thermal and metallurgical coal as users will be more flexible–in the face of pressured supply–how they use the two grades. Already, NYMEX thermal coal (CAPP) contracts have risen from 71.00 towards 80.00 in the past two weeks. Pressure on thermal coal will only add to pressures on global distillate prices. And so on. What’s more intriguing to speculate now, given that rising oil and coal prices are a given into Spring, is the broader question: how frequently in the future will energy extraction be impaired by global warming?

    http://gregor.us/coal/china-lights-g...stralian-coal/

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    Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

    And its still raining - up to 300mm expected over the next 3 days. Coal loader stockpiles are at about 20% of full capacity. Mine stockpiles are being depleted at a rapid rate. It will take weeks to pump the open cuts out even if the EPA gives the go ahead to pump full bore into the rivers.75% of opencuts are affected. Two pits may take up to 3months to become pumped dry AND cyclone season has not yet started. We have a very strong la nina this year (southern oscillation index)
    go here and have a read - http://www.cnbc.com//id/40940046
    then go the BHP Nyse and read a few market releases.
    Coal Will rise in price but it is possible Brazil can help with supply ever though the supply chain is longer. I have no idea what the buyers have in stockpile (China Japan, Korea and India) but they have for some time operated on JIT (just in time) deliveries to aid cashflows.
    It has even effected the BDI
    serious shit indeed - I'm on a forced holiday for 3 weeks at least
    any one for a swim ? the mine is 150 feet to the bottom of the yellow ants that where parked up high for safety. The river broke through the bund wall
    http://resources1.news.com.au/images...ood-crisis.jpg
    Last edited by thunderdownunder; January 06, 2011, 04:00 AM.

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      Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

      Originally posted by jk View Post
      China Lights, Global Floods, Australian Coal
      gregor macdonald

      One detects a slow, ironic hooray welling up from the climate change community this week because after a year of intense weather that’s devastated food crops worldwide now an epic flood in Australia threatens to cripple the production of coal. Accounting for 30% of global energy supply–and ready to go higher as oil supply declines–coal was thought to be permanently relegated to the 19th century only a decade ago. Now, however, coal is the go-to energy source of the developing world, the 5 billion people now passing through the gears of industrialism.
      I assure you, those who have studied global warming are not welling up with a hooray, but are sick with the knowledge that their predictions are coming to pass. Everyone familiar with the real science, knew we were heading into a world of extremes. Extreme rain, extreme drought, extreme cold, extreme heat. That's what happens when you add extra energy to the complex global atmospheric/oceanic system. The details of where, when, and how much, simply can't be determined yet.

      The great experiment being conducted on your children's future has begun.

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        Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

        Originally posted by Toast'd One
        I assure you, those who have studied global warming are not welling up with a hooray, but are sick with the knowledge that their predictions are coming to pass. Everyone familiar with the real science, knew we were heading into a world of extremes. Extreme rain, extreme drought, extreme cold, extreme heat. That's what happens when you add extra energy to the complex global atmospheric/oceanic system. The details of where, when, and how much, simply can't be determined yet.

        The great experiment being conducted on your children's future has begun.
        Except for one little problem - every predictionprojection on AGW-CO2-Catastrophe seems to consistently be wrong.

        Australia flooded today, yet the Ministers of Doom had said:

        Climate Change Minister Penny Wong, September 2008:

        There is a great deal of scientific advice about the impact of climate change on rainfall, particularly in southern Australia. I’ll just give you a few examples. We know the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said by 2050 that Australia should expect around about a 25 per cent reduction in rainfall in the southern part of the Australia. We also know that in the two years before our election, what we saw were the lowest inflows into the River Murray in history, 43 per cent lower than the previous lows… So there is a very, very sound body of evidence that indicates that climate change is and will have an impact on rainfall in the Murray-Darling Basin and in southern Australia.

        Alarmist of the Year Tim Flannery, 2007:

        Over the past 50 years southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming...We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush.

        Queensland Premier Peter Beattie, 2007:

        Given the current uncertainty about the likely impact of climate change on rainfall patterns in (South Eastern Queensland) over coming years, it is only prudent to assume at this stage that lower than usual rainfalls could eventuate.
        Oh, right, flooding is weather not climate right?

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          Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

          c1ue- the flooding is in queensland, in NORTHERN australia. thus your quote about a predicted "reduction in rainfall in the southern part of the Australia" is not germane. nor is your quote about the murray river, which also stubbornly persists in locating itself in the southern part of australia. the quote you posted may or may not have merit, but the current flooding is ELSEWHERE. [you might want to check on such issues of relevancy before posting laughing smileys.]

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            Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

            c1ue- the flooding is in queensland, in NORTHERN australia. thus your quote about a predicted "reduction in rainfall in the southern part of the Australia" is not germane. nor is your quote about the murray river, which also stubbornly persists in locating itself in the southern part of australia. the quote you posted may or may not have merit, but the current flooding is ELSEWHERE. [you might want to check on such issues of relevancy before posting laughing smileys.]
            jk,

            Regarding the first quiote:

            Given that the IPCC spoke of Australia in general, not a specific region of it - not clear what your point is.

            Yes, the specific example given was the Murray river, but then again it is impossible to give a specific example to cover all of Australia is it not?

            Regarding the 2nd quote:

            Yes, this refers to Southern Australia in particular.

            Regarding the 3rd quote:

            Given that this was from the Queensland provincial premier, and furthermore specifically referred to South Eastern Queensland:

            http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...12/3091050.htm

            Heavy rains lash south-east Queensland

            Updated Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:04am AEDT
            Heavy rainfall: a swollen Kedron Brook in Brisbane's north (ABC News: Giulio Saggin)

            Heavy rain has caused flash flooding in south-east Queensland as crews in Victoria and New South Wales continue to monitor flood levels.

            The State Emergency Service received more than 100 calls for help across south-east Queensland, but most of the damage was minor.

            Weather bureau senior forecaster Brett Harrison says the region was drenched.

            "The heaviest falls were around the northern and eastern suburbs of Brisbane, with the east coastal areas picking up the highest," he said.

            Six houses in one street at Wynnum, in Brisbane's east, were flooded when the storm water system failed.
            Mr Harrison says heavy rain was also dumped on central Queensland.

            Meanwhile authorities in Rockhampton are keeping a close watch on flood levels, with the Fitzroy River due to peak early this week.

            Mayor Brad Carter says the rainfall from yesterday will not flow into the Fitzroy River for some days.

            "That is likely to have an impact on pushing the flood peak level of 7.8 metres up a little higher," he said.

            Victorian floodwaters, Queanbeyan clean-up


            The SES is still monitoring floodwaters at Shepparton, in Victoria's north.

            There were fears the flooding would cut off hundreds of homes in the Kialla Lakes Estate in the town's south, but the SES says the situation has not worsened overnight.

            Elsewhere, the SES has dealt with more than 100 calls for help with downed trees in strong winds.

            Central Victoria and the Mornington Peninsula appear to have borne the brunt of the damage.

            And Queanbeyan's City Council in New South Wales says the progress of the clean-up from Thursday's floods will depend on the weather.

            The State Government has declared the area a natural disaster zone, with the damage bill estimated to be in the millions.

            The council's Brett Meddemmen says work will today centre on removing the debris from the Queanbeyan river bridge.

            "There's no guarantees on anything, depending on weather of course, but if we can get rid of the timber, then hopefully we can get the water down to a level we can manage and clean the low level bridge up," he said.
            I submit therefore that you might consider taking your own advice.

            More importantly: the evidence is mounting that highly incorrect and possibly politically motivated calls for specific climate behavior have impacted actual government response capability.

            If true, this is far beyond a simple matter of opinion into outright abuse of authority.

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              Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

              Regarding the first quiote:

              Given that the IPCC spoke of Australia in general, not a specific region of it - not clear what your point is.

              Actually Clue the IPCC quote you gave quite specifically refers to Southern Australia. Southern Australia has suffered serious droughts the past decade.

              , the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said by 2050 that Australia should expect around about a 25 per cent reduction in rainfall in the southern part of the Australia. We also know that in the two years before our election, what we saw were the lowest inflows into the River Murray in history, 43 per cent lower than the previous lows… So there is a very, very sound body of evidence that indicates that climate change is and will have an impact on rainfall in the Murray-Darling Basin and in southern Australia.

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                Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

                I'm not interested in debating climate change stuff(but I do believe we have an impact on our planet...to what extent, I have no idea).......to me I find it all confusing, mostly over my head, and concerned about climate change being heavily politicized to suit the interests of our political masters or make it easier for them to shape our perceptions and our futures to their liking.......can the climate change debate be kept in another thread prety please?

                Personally, I'm more interested in discussing the short(er)-term impact of events like the thread topic......specifically, does it have potential to "cascade"? Much like an economic/financial version of the 65/03 Northeast Blackouts?

                The way I read EJ and the rest of you ubersmart folks on this forum is that we are quite likely to see another global economic seizure in the next 36 months....and I would agree...and I wonder if our economic/financial systems are much like a largely globally interconnected electrical utility infrastructure...that's at risk of being tripped?

                How will the subject of this thread(Australia's coal mining industry) impact on markets/economies...and does it realistically have potential to be "a" or "the" reason to "trip" the economic circuit breakers and cause a cascade of economic poop?

                I don't know about you guys, but I'm doing my amateur best trying to keep my eye on things that could turn out to be the economic root cause of the next economic backout.

                Could this be a serious contributing factor? Can't the climate change debate be located elsewhere...or given the appropriate focus it deserves(IF it deserves it), once this bowling ball has been swallowed and digested?

                Just my 0.02c

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                  Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

                  i heard the first reports of food riots that i've come across lately on this morning's news, algiers iirc. global food prices are apparently as high or higher now than the last time there were food riots, in '08. the gregor piece points to higher coal prices, and knock on effects putting further pressure on oil as well. money printing => higher commodity prices, we're on track to our next pcoc recession trigger.

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                    Re: australian floods=> higher coal and oil prices - gregor

                    Originally posted by jk View Post
                    i heard the first reports of food riots that i've come across lately on this morning's news, algiers iirc. global food prices are apparently as high or higher now than the last time there were food riots, in '08. the gregor piece points to higher coal prices, and knock on effects putting further pressure on oil as well. money printing => higher commodity prices, we're on track to our next pcoc recession trigger.
                    News on the Algiers riots. Unemployment is also a factor.

                    Fresh rioting has broken out in the Algerian capital after a night of violence over food prices and unemployment.
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                    Some basic consumer goods have also shot up in price by as much as 30 percent.
                    News on the record food prices. UN FAO food index is at highest level since it began in 1990.

                    ROME — The United Nations warned Friday millions of people are at risk after global food prices hit their highest level ever, as clashes over rising prices erupted in Algeria this week.

                    Surging prices for cooking oil, cereal and sugar in particular, "will affect millions of people," Abdolreza Abbassian, an economist at the UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) in Rome, told AFP.

                    The FAO's food price index, an average of monthly price changes for meat, dairy, cereals, oil and sugar, hit 214.7 points in December -- the highest level since the index began in 1990.

                    The December level tops the peak of 213.5 in June 2008.

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