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    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/1...vernment-wants


    Sending Money Overseas for the Holidays? The Government Wants to Know.

    Call To Action by Mark Rumold
    What do an online donation to the International Red Cross, a bank transfer to family members living in Vietnam, and a payment sent through PayPal for an expensive rug in Turkey have in common? The government wants to know about them. And, if new rules proposed by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or FinCEN, go into effect, the government will — along with your name, address, bank account number, and other sensitive financial information.
    In September, FinCEN, an agency component of the Department of the Treasury,
    proposed a set of rules (pdf) that would require banks and money transmitters to report to the government any cross-border electronic funds transfer. Yesterday, we submitted a comment (pdf) opposing the agency’s proposal.
    Essentially, under the proposed rules, anytime you electronically transfer money into or out of the country, the government wants to know. The proposed rules require banks and money transmitters, like PayPal or Western Union, to submit reports documenting the amount of money sent or received, where that money came from, and where it is going. Depending on the type of transfer, a variety of information would be included in the reports, including the name, address, bank account number, and taxpayer ID number of the sender; the amount and currency of the funds transfer; and the name and address of the recipient. Passport numbers or alien ID numbers could also be required for some transfers.
    The government wants reports on all electronic bank-to-bank transfers, regardless of whether the transfer is $1 or $1,000,000. For money transmitters, reports would be filed for transfers at or above $1,000. FinCEN estimates it will receive 750 million reports every year, and the agency wants to keep the data for ten years. Once the reports are filed with FinCEN, other federal law enforcement agencies — the FBI, IRS, ICE, and the DEA — would all have access to the data.
    Shortly after FinCEN announced the rules in September, EFF filed a FOIA request seeking documentation that would justify the agency’s law enforcement need for the regulations. We also sought information demonstrating that FinCEN had taken adequate data-security precautions for handling such a massive amount of sensitive information. The agency produced some records, but the documents provided no evidence that the proposed rules are necessary to deter money laundering and terrorism financing, or that the agency had adequately assessed the privacy implications of the proposed rules.
    In our comment, we opposed the rules for three reasons:
    1. The new reports are unlikely to be effective in preventing terrorism financing — the primary impetus behind the regulations in the first place.
    2. While the agency sought the advice of financial institutions, other law enforcement agencies, and even foreign governments when developing the rule, FinCEN never solicited the opinions of privacy advocates during the drafting process.
    3. The agency has not provided any evidence that the technological systems are in place to safely receive, transmit, and store the vast quantities of highly-sensitive information the rules would require.
    We strongly oppose the government’s attempt to pry into the sensitive financial dealings of citizens, especially when there is no demonstrated need and no evidence that the agency is equipped to handle that much sensitive information. Comments on the proposed rules are due December 29th, and can be submitted here. We urge you to join us in opposing these intrusive new regulations.

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    Re: Government wants to know where you send money. . .

    Originally posted by KGW View Post
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/1...vernment-wants


    Sending Money Overseas for the Holidays? The Government Wants to Know.

    Call To Action by Mark Rumold
    What do an online donation to the International Red Cross, a bank transfer to family members living in Vietnam, and a payment sent through PayPal for an expensive rug in Turkey have in common? The government wants to know about them. And, if new rules proposed by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or FinCEN, go into effect, the government will — along with your name, address, bank account number, and other sensitive financial information.
    In September, FinCEN, an agency component of the Department of the Treasury,
    proposed a set of rules (pdf) that would require banks and money transmitters to report to the government any cross-border electronic funds transfer. Yesterday, we submitted a comment (pdf) opposing the agency’s proposal.
    Essentially, under the proposed rules, anytime you electronically transfer money into or out of the country, the government wants to know. The proposed rules require banks and money transmitters, like PayPal or Western Union, to submit reports documenting the amount of money sent or received, where that money came from, and where it is going. Depending on the type of transfer, a variety of information would be included in the reports, including the name, address, bank account number, and taxpayer ID number of the sender; the amount and currency of the funds transfer; and the name and address of the recipient. Passport numbers or alien ID numbers could also be required for some transfers.
    The government wants reports on all electronic bank-to-bank transfers, regardless of whether the transfer is $1 or $1,000,000. For money transmitters, reports would be filed for transfers at or above $1,000. FinCEN estimates it will receive 750 million reports every year, and the agency wants to keep the data for ten years. Once the reports are filed with FinCEN, other federal law enforcement agencies — the FBI, IRS, ICE, and the DEA — would all have access to the data.
    Shortly after FinCEN announced the rules in September, EFF filed a FOIA request seeking documentation that would justify the agency’s law enforcement need for the regulations. We also sought information demonstrating that FinCEN had taken adequate data-security precautions for handling such a massive amount of sensitive information. The agency produced some records, but the documents provided no evidence that the proposed rules are necessary to deter money laundering and terrorism financing, or that the agency had adequately assessed the privacy implications of the proposed rules.
    In our comment, we opposed the rules for three reasons:
    1. The new reports are unlikely to be effective in preventing terrorism financing — the primary impetus behind the regulations in the first place.
    2. While the agency sought the advice of financial institutions, other law enforcement agencies, and even foreign governments when developing the rule, FinCEN never solicited the opinions of privacy advocates during the drafting process.
    3. The agency has not provided any evidence that the technological systems are in place to safely receive, transmit, and store the vast quantities of highly-sensitive information the rules would require.
    We strongly oppose the government’s attempt to pry into the sensitive financial dealings of citizens, especially when there is no demonstrated need and no evidence that the agency is equipped to handle that much sensitive information. Comments on the proposed rules are due December 29th, and can be submitted here. We urge you to join us in opposing these intrusive new regulations.
    Just a greater extension of "the police state" that America is becoming. Eric Holder now thinks the "war on terror" is a war to be waged against the citizens of the US no less.

    funny, I never hear the the wailing, teeth-gnashing, liberally idealistic types who hated this tuff under Bush get their panties in a twist now that Obama has taken the elevator to a much higher level. hmmm....

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      Re: Government wants to know where you send money. . .

      Hey Doom, you just discovered the Obama Gambit!

      He's the only empty suit that could have assisted in what has had been "accomplished" in such a short time, with virtually no opposition, just Republican posing potty mouth. (They're positioning themselves for the never-ending "next cycle of change" in the neoliberal state) Every other RepubliCat would not have come close to the degree of bamboozle of the Obama-dama. Simply brilliant of Goldman and the boyz to back this puppy. (for historical precedents, see the Clinton ends the welfare safety net handbook for an early exercise in this mode of governance of a one-party republick)

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        Re: Government wants to know where you send money. . .

        Originally posted by doom&gloom View Post
        Just a greater extension of "the police state" that America is becoming. Eric Holder now thinks the "war on terror" is a war to be waged against the citizens of the US no less.

        funny, I never hear the the wailing, teeth-gnashing, liberally idealistic types who hated this tuff under Bush get their panties in a twist now that Obama has taken the elevator to a much higher level. hmmm....
        In can assure you as a liberally idealistic type I DO have my panties in a twist over the Obama Holder policies. Which is why EFF is among my main charity donations. Add wikileaks to this too now.

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        • #5
          Re: Government wants to know where you send money. . .

          Originally posted by neoken View Post
          In can assure you as a liberally idealistic type I DO have my panties in a twist over the Obama Holder policies. Which is why EFF is among my main charity donations. Add wikileaks to this too now.
          when Bush passed the Patriot Act, I was all for it. It sounded so good -- let's get the "bad guys". Since then I have come to look upon it in disgust. The liberals were right, I was wrong.

          But now, when the chips get even higher in this high-stakes game of civil rights, it just seemed the left has completely thrown in the towel -- no protests, no nothin'.


          I invest in farmland in Uruguay. Everything I do is public knowledge to "my government". Why it needs to be is beyond me. As of now, I simply declare money in accounts there. As of a year or two from now I will have to declare my actual land no less. Seriously, no other nation on earth goes to this extent to "police" potential tax evaders while allowing the CONgress to be bought off and tax policy to be circumscribed by the REAL "big money" out there.

          The kleptocracy is in full force. It exists to better itself at the behest of everyone else. The political class on both sides of the aisle bows down and bends over accordingly.

          One day I will be forced to leave this great land, and not by choice. I find it sad the state of the country. There is no "hope", there is no "change", there is only outright and legalized theft, graft and corruption at the highest levels.

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          • #6
            Re: Government wants to know where you send money. . .

            The EFF are doing great work.
            It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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