China restricting rare earth exports

[dcarrigg]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/29/bu...er=rss&emc=rss

[Starving Steve]

Re: China restricting rare earth exports

To the eco-frauds who proclaimed that "smart-grids" and "concentrated-solar reactors" and "super-conductors" and major advances with "lithium batteries" were in the near-future: Your dreams involving applications of rare-Earth elements are going to cost much more in future than you had imagined. Your so-called, "green-tech" was a scam, because rare-Earth elements are rare.

And 2 calories per square centimetre per minute is the absolute MAXIMUM that can be taken from solar energy; and even to capture that much, one has to be in outer-space on a surface 90-degrees from the Sun's radiation.

I kept telling you all this, but I wasn't a physicist from Cal-Tech. So my comments were ignored. There is no future in solar power except to lower your cost of heating water, and a solar-powered water-heater is practical only in sub-tropical deserts.

End of story with solar-power.

Yes, passive-solar heats your house in the daytime, but you lose much of this heat (or more) at night, especially if the sky is clear, as it usually is in sub-tropical deserts.

The expression in common English is: "Been there; done that."

[lektrode]

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... There is no future in solar power except to lower your cost of heating water, and a solar-powered water-heater is practical only in sub-tropical deserts.

a bit of an exaggeration, eh?
methinks that you missed the molycorp(MCP) IPO back in july too! - (just like me) spent most of may looking for off-the-radar miners, found these guys, opted-in via their website, never heard another thing from them or about them until october!!
(my own fault, for not paying attention, distracted by my boat biz not making any money this past summer...)
they bounced off $55 yest, before the selloff - the only question now is: will GS pull the rug out from under, cashout for the yearend pop/bonus, or will it krank back up and launch from there?

but seriously: SOLAR ENERGY WORKS, period, end of debate.
my experience on a daily basis proves, to myself at least, that once one gets away from using electricity to make _heat_ that photovoltaic panels can produce all the electricity that a typical homeowner would ever need... desert not required.

and the internal rate of return on a PV system should make even the most skeptical sit up and take notice - without even considering the fact that every dollar one doesnt have to fork out to the utilities for an electric bill = TAX FREE INCOME
that escalates annually at what will shortly become eye-popping rates of return, as conventionally-generated power skyrockets in price... never mind when the rolling blackouts start, as the grid cant keep up or fails from time to time

and even in places like NH, in the winter, solar water heating works just fine - again, no desert required.

[dcarrigg]

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a bit of an exaggeration, eh?
methinks that you missed the molycorp(MCP) IPO back in july too!

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BS20020101229

Molycorp up 6%+

[bill]

Re: China restricting rare earth exports

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BS20020101229

Molycorp up 6%+

I passed on Molycorp IPO. They still have to build a REE production plant.
Never the less Molycorp is sure getting the pump today.

I did purchase Lynas back in 09. Lynas production plant is under construction now.
Here’s my post, I received zero discussion.
http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...76433#poststop

Lets move on. Will graphite be China’s next resource to receive export limits?

[Blindweb]

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but seriously: SOLAR ENERGY WORKS, period, end of debate.
my experience on a daily basis proves, to myself at least, that once one gets away from using electricity to make _heat_ that photovoltaic panels can produce all the electricity that a typical homeowner would ever need... desert not required.

and the internal rate of return on a PV system should make even the most skeptical sit up and take notice - without even considering the fact that every dollar one doesnt have to fork out to the utilities for an electric bill = TAX FREE INCOME
that escalates annually at what will shortly become eye-popping rates of return, as conventionally-generated power skyrockets in price... never mind when the rolling blackouts start, as the grid cant keep up or fails from time to time

and even in places like NH, in the winter, solar water heating works just fine - again, no desert required.

Anyone who understands evolution should understand that PV can never approach the solar gathering efficiency of plants. (The only person I've found who understands this is John Michael Greer) PV will come crashing down when the global oil based supply chain come crashing down. One of these days I'm going to write an article on it.

I suspect anyone not having strong political power owning large PV panels on their house will have them commandeered for emergency usage like hospitals and police; albeit this may not come for a couple decades.

[Starving Steve]

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Anyone who understands evolution should understand that PV can never approach the solar gathering efficiency of plants. (The only person I've found who understands this is John Michael Greer) PV will come crashing down when the global oil based supply chain come crashing down. One of these days I'm going to write an article on it.

I suspect anyone not having strong political power owning large PV panels on their house will have them commandeered for emergency usage like hospitals and police; albeit this may not come for a couple decades.

Even if photo-voltaic devices were 100% efficient in gathering solar energy, there is not much solar energy to gather. I call it, "The Law of Zero."

God's Law of Zero: a.) anything multiplied by zero = ZERO;
b.) anything divided by zero = a violation of God's Law itself;
c.) anything added to zero = a waste of effort and time.

The first thing in school that children should be taught is The Law of Zero, and flush the entire American public school curriculum down-the-toilet.

If kids were taught the Law of Zero in kindergarten, we wouldn't have squandered (how many?) tens of billions of dollars on photo-voltaics and "green-tech" ventures....... But what does a geographer know?

Imagine what would happen if Cap-'n-Trade taxes were to subsidize this green-tech and photo-voltaic crap!

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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....... But what does a geographer know?..

A geographer knows how to find his own ass using both hands and a map, at least in theory.