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    This is really sad.

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    The Finite World

    Oil is back above $90 a barrel. Copper and cotton have hit record highs. Wheat and corn prices are way up. Over all, world commodity prices have risen by a quarter in the past six months.

    So what’s the meaning of this surge?

    Is it speculation run amok? Is it the result of excessive money creation, a harbinger of runaway inflation just around the corner? No and no.

    What the commodity markets are telling us is that we’re living in a finite world, in which the rapid growth of emerging economies is placing pressure on limited supplies of raw materials, pushing up their prices. And America is, for the most part, just a bystander in this story.

    Some background: The last time the prices of oil and other commodities were this high, two and a half years ago, many commentators dismissed the price spike as an aberration driven by speculators. And they claimed vindication when commodity prices plunged in the second half of 2008.

    But that price collapse coincided with a severe global recession, which led to a sharp fall in demand for raw materials. The big test would come when the world economy recovered. Would raw materials once again become expensive?

    Well, it still feels like a recession in America. But thanks to growth in developing nations, world industrial production recently passed its previous peak — and, sure enough, commodity prices are surging again.

    This doesn’t necessarily mean that speculation played no role in 2007-2008. Nor should we reject the notion that speculation is playing some role in current prices; for example, who is that mystery investor who has bought up much of the world’s copper supply? But the fact that world economic recovery has also brought a recovery in commodity prices strongly suggests that recent price fluctuations mainly reflect fundamental factors.

    What about commodity prices as a harbinger of inflation? Many commentators on the right have been predicting for years that the Federal Reserve, by printing lots of money — it’s not actually doing that, but that’s the accusation — is setting us up for severe inflation. Stagflation is coming, declared Representative Paul Ryan in February 2009; Glenn Beck has been warning about imminent hyperinflation since 2008.

    Yet inflation has remained low. What’s an inflation worrier to do?

    One response has been a proliferation of conspiracy theories, of claims that the government is suppressing the truth about rising prices. But lately many on the right have seized on rising commodity prices as proof that they were right all along, as a sign of high overall inflation just around the corner.

    You do have to wonder what these people were thinking two years ago, when raw material prices were plunging. If the commodity-price rise of the past six months heralds runaway inflation, why didn’t the 50 percent decline in the second half of 2008 herald runaway deflation?

    Inconsistency aside, however, the big problem with those blaming the Fed for rising commodity prices is that they’re suffering from delusions of U.S. economic grandeur. For commodity prices are set globally, and what America does just isn’t that important a factor.

    In particular, today, as in 2007-2008, the primary driving force behind rising commodity prices isn’t demand from the United States. It’s demand from China and other emerging economies. As more and more people in formerly poor nations are entering the global middle class, they’re beginning to drive cars and eat meat, placing growing pressure on world oil and food supplies.

    And those supplies aren’t keeping pace. Conventional oil production has been flat for four years; in that sense, at least, peak oil has arrived. True, alternative sources, like oil from Canada’s tar sands, have continued to grow. But these alternative sources come at relatively high cost, both monetary and environmental.

    Also, over the past year, extreme weather — especially severe heat and drought in some important agricultural regions — played an important role in driving up food prices. And, yes, there’s every reason to believe that climate change is making such weather episodes more common.

    So what are the implications of the recent rise in commodity prices? It is, as I said, a sign that we’re living in a finite world, one in which resource constraints are becoming increasingly binding. This won’t bring an end to economic growth, let alone a descent into Mad Max-style collapse. It will require that we gradually change the way we live, adapting our economy and our lifestyles to the reality of more expensive resources.

    But that’s for the future. Right now, rising commodity prices are basically the result of global recovery. They have no bearing, one way or another, on U.S. monetary policy. For this is a global story; at a fundamental level, it’s not about us.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/27/op...n.html?_r=1&hp

  • #2
    Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

    Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
    This is really sad.

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    Why sad? It's a reasonable explanation.

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    • #3
      Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

      he is right in a way, consumption in asia is rising very strongly.

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      • #4
        Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

        Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
        Why sad? It's a reasonable explanation.
        Agreed.

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        • #5
          Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

          Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
          Why sad? It's a reasonable explanation.
          "Yet inflation has remained low. What’s an inflation worrier to do?"

          Do you think inflation has remained low? Not manipulated governement stats on inflation, but real world prices.
          Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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            Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

            Dollar down, everything priced in dollars up. Right?

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            • #7
              Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

              RIGHT! No impact of an expansionary monetary policy what-so-ever! (Hardly!!!)

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              • #8
                Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                i think he leaves out some intervening variables. in large measure, u.s. stimulus - both fiscal and monetary - has "leaked" to the developing world, fueling the growth there while the u.s. remains anemic. the growth of the developing world fuels world commodity demand, driving up prices. thus, he is right that there is no DIRECT connection between printing and commodity prices.

                actually, there is one other indirect connection, to which he alludes. money printing has encouraged speculation in commodities, which has added to their rise.

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                • #9
                  Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                  Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
                  Dollar down, everything priced in dollars up. Right?
                  This doesn't look like much of a drop in the dollar. It's a 3 year chart.
                  It doesn't seem that the dollar would be responsible for the big move in commodities.



                  Not nearly enough to account for a 60% off the bottom rise in commodities.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                    The USDX is a relative index - thus saying the USDX hasn't fallen much only matters if the referent currencies aren't also falling.

                    Is there any debate that 'beggar thy neighbor' currency devaluations have long since started?

                    Krugman continues to (in)distinguish himself with irrelevant and largely politically motivated comments.

                    The really scary question is: the iTulip prediction was for a USDX = 40.

                    Does this encompass the US out-devaluing everyone else, a repudiation of the US dollar/world reserve currency, or some combination of these and other factors?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                      dxy is about half euro iirc. a better sense is gotten from the broad, trade weighted dollar which looks kind of like the commodity index, except upside down: [note that the commodity graph a couple of posts up starts in the year 2000]

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                      • #12
                        Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                        Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                        Here's a flipped image of a portion of the Finster Dollar Index (from about 2000 to present):




                        Looks just a little like the CCI Idx, no?
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                        • #13
                          Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                          Today must be charts and graphs day.

                          Heres the CPI for industrial commodities VS trade weighted dollar.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                            It's not just the relative price of the dollar but rather the perception of what is going on. The psychological aspect is what most trained economists have the hardest time grasping. All the charts and graphs in the world won't help predict the level of FEAR of devaluation. It's like standing under a 10 ton weight attached to a crane with the smallest of cables. We all know it won't hold forever. So the wise ones are moving out of the way. Be that by buying commodities or whatever other tactic they think will work. Some would call it speculation I guess. They are maneuvering to be in the best position 2, 5, 10 years from now. After the SHTF.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Krugman: Rising commodity prices have nothing to do with Fed money printing

                              Originally posted by jk View Post

                              actually, there is one other indirect connection, to which he alludes. money printing has encouraged speculation in commodities, which has added to their rise.
                              yes, and I think it's a welcomed and desired consequence of central planners actions. Higher oil prices puts pressure on exporters (both goods and commodities) to let their currencies rise vs dollar

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