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  • At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

    The Courts will not let Municipal Governments defaults on their bonds, the cops will go out and get the money from the people to pay the bonds.

    So when does the People turn on the Cops and the Government? 2011?

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    Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

    People will resist when their children are hungry and there are no other options.

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    • #3
      Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

      Originally posted by BillBoard
      The Courts will not let Municipal Governments defaults on their bonds, the cops will go out and get the money from the people to pay the bonds.

      So when does the People turn on the Cops and the Government? 2011?
      It should be noted that a number of state constitutions are like California: there is a specific precedence by which revenue is spent.

      In California's case, the California bond holders come first with education right afterwards.

      Thus in order for a default to occur in the state of California, everything else literally has to go unpaid first.

      Municipalities are likely somewhat less rigid, but at the same time their means of getting revenue are more limited.

      Greater enforcement might work in a "highway drive through" town, but it won't work for a larger entity.

      Equally so a number of expenses such as public transport actually derive a majority of their revenue from the federal government. Thus while services will be cut, nonetheless some basic levels will remain because otherwise the federal funding sources are lost.

      So as for when people turn - no evidence thus far of significant unrest.

      After all, the recession is over...

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      • #4
        Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

        Good question. I still don't think most people even see this coming yet. And as long as they steal it from someone else, they probably won't care. So middle class, bend over.

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          Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

          Originally posted by flintlock View Post
          And as long as they steal it from someone else, they probably won't care. So middle class, bend over.
          You have me looking for lube...ouch!

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          • #6
            Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

            Originally posted by flintlock View Post
            Good question. I still don't think most people even see this coming yet. And as long as they steal it from someone else, they probably won't care. So middle class, bend over.
            I would tend to agree......the anecdotals I'm hearing from fairly educated middle class folks in my patch is that just about unanimously, 2010 was a bad year....but that 2011 will surely be better.

            Absolutely NO ONE I interact with seems to comprehend even the possibility, let alone the likelihood, that the next 5-10 years could be equally or more challenging than the last year...it simply does not compute.

            I don't expect civil unrest in my patch, but I definitely expect far higher levels of crime bubbling up from the poorest demographics to include the fast shrinking middle class.

            I also expect to see far greater risk of corruption at the coalface....police, inspectors, local government...for some reason I keep thinking of Serpico as a relevant analogy to what we can expect moving forward.

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            • #7
              Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

              I don't think the average person would know how to fight City Hall even if they wanted to. They wouldn't know where City Hall was or what to do when they got there. The most likely result would be to end up in jail anyway.

              I don't see many fighting for survival anyway. Many of those that would be are on federal assistance and that isn't likely to stop anytime soon. How many bottom rung people can't get the necessities: beer, tv and food? The middle class has more to lose, but they aren't desperate enough to risk what they do have.

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              • #8
                Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

                My relatively affluent area has seen a pretty drastic increase in crimes this last year. More desperate kinds of things like bank robbery and home invasion. Lot of suicides and domestic disturbances too. That 10-30% at the bottom are running out of options and patience. It is just beginning to dawn on them that those construction jobs are gone for good. The extended family they used to depend on financially are no longer able to help out. The easy credit they were living on has been shut off. I see an economy now where those with jobs have stabilized for the most part and are learning to live within their means. But for the other 20% or so, things have never been worse and their is no end in sight. My area simply does not have the resources used to dealing with a permanent underclass. So what happens?

                Our local government has had to switch gears fast from being one of the fastest growing counties in the nation to seeing drastic drops in revenue. They fired almost the entire building department. A teacher hiring freeze was established. But it's not enough. Projects started during the boom still have the bills coming in. The roads are swarming with police targeting minor violations. A nearby town automatically pulls over any commercial vehicle pulling a load. Apparently they figure its better to target people working there than actual citizens who might vote. As a small businessman I fear that. That we will be singled out as a source of revenue that won't bite them politically.

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                • #9
                  Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

                  Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                  Apparently they figure its better to target people working there than actual citizens who might vote. As a small businessman I fear that. That we will be singled out as a source of revenue that won't bite them politically.
                  That's my point, when are you going to stop being afraid and going to get some. I will tell you when, just like Celente says, when you have nothing left to lose.

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                  • #10
                    Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

                    WHAT IS THE POINT you are trying to make BillBoard? Do you have anything useful to tell us? What are your suggestions to do, after we "get some?"

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                    • #11
                      Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

                      Nothing useful, it all is already here. Do you need more? Maybe that's my point, what more is there to know we are all getting screwed. Or maybe I am just looking for ideas on how to make a difference. What do you think?

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                      • #12
                        Re: At what point in this crisis does the people turn and fight City Hall for their survival?

                        Originally posted by BillBoard View Post
                        Nothing useful, it all is already here. Do you need more? Maybe that's my point, what more is there to know we are all getting screwed. Or maybe I am just looking for ideas on how to make a difference. What do you think?
                        You can start with yourself. All real change begins with the individual. But first I have to remember that I want to change.

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