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  • The Economy Has Completely Recovered!

    "Interesting" viewpoint.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rea...els-2010-12-24

    By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
    CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — News flash!
    The Great Recession has now been completely overcome: The United States economy is today back to where it stood at its peak prior to the Great Recession of 2008-2009.
    To be sure, you won’t see any press releases announcing this momentous occasion. That’s because the government doesn’t report the value of the gross domestic product (GDP) on a daily or even weekly basis. The GDP is instead reported quarterly, with a sizeable delay.
    Still, according to Norman Fosback, editor of Fosback’s Fund Forecaster, who discussed the size of the GDP in the latest issue of his advisory service, we can extrapolate the government’s latest GDP numbers to estimate where we are today.
    And, he said in an email earlier this week: “As of this moment, we are virtually right there: a 100% recovery” in real, or inflation-adjusted terms, of where the economy stood at its pre-recession peak. “And if not, then a couple or a few more weeks at most.”
    You’d think that the complete recovery from the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression would be big news.
    But you’d be wrong. As far as I can tell, it hasn’t been widely picked up by the mainstream press.
    Why?
    Therein lies a tale, which Fosback finds very significant when assessing the stock market’s potential. The lack of attention to the magnitude of the recovery has been caused, in his opinion, by “the extraordinary pessimism enveloping the consumer investing population, fanned by a fear-mongering financial media.” That skepticism, in turn, has played a big role in holding the stock market back from even bigger gains in recent months.

    For example, as Fosback points out, even though the economy is now back to pre-recession levels, the major stock-market averages are not even close: Both the Dow Jones Industrial Average have recovered just two-thirds of their bear-market losses, for example.
    There is a silver lining, however, according to Fosback: As a result of investors’ extraordinary pessimism, the bull market will likely last longer than it otherwise would have if investors had more quickly jumped on the bullish bandwagon.
    How bullish is Fosback? His econometric models are forecasting a 22% return for stocks over the coming 12 months — and, over the coming five years, an annualized return of 11%.
    Mark Hulbert is the founder of Hulbert Financial Digest in Annandale, Va. He has been tracking the advice of more than 160 financial newsletters since 1980.

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    Re: The Economy Has Completely Recovered!

    Very interesting - given what was posted in the last Mauldin note about massive over-optimism from numerous sources.

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      Re: The Economy Has Completely Recovered!

      fwiw, fosback's prediction fits with finster's model's prediction, at least for the 7 month span of the latter. finster - or at least his computer - is predicting quite a rise in global equities, especially when you add together the real rise predicted and the nominal rise implicit in the tbill prediction.

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        Re: The Economy Has Completely Recovered!

        Originally posted by jk
        fwiw, fosback's prediction fits with finster's model's prediction, at least for the 7 month span of the latter. finster - or at least his computer - is predicting quite a rise in global equities, especially when you add together the real rise predicted and the nominal rise implicit in the tbill prediction.
        True, but I would note there is a little space between the 2 positions: Fosback primarily talks about US markets whereas global markets are considerably more varied.

        Agreed that the US and global markets generally track, however, if in fact the mechanism is the Fed's money printing driving inflation overseas, then that could constitute the mechanism for global markets diverging from the US.

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          Re: The Economy Has Completely Recovered!

          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
          True, but I would note there is a little space between the 2 positions: Fosback primarily talks about US markets whereas global markets are considerably more varied.

          Agreed that the US and global markets generally track, however, if in fact the mechanism is the Fed's money printing driving inflation overseas, then that could constitute the mechanism for global markets diverging from the US.
          money printing has taken the u.s. markets to 2 year highs and em markets higher. then there's commodities, too. it's all one trade.

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            Re: The Economy Has Completely Recovered!

            Originally posted by jk
            money printing has taken the u.s. markets to 2 year highs and em markets higher. then there's commodities, too. it's all one trade.
            Yes, and then again no.

            A Bovespa index trade in 2007 - at the previous peak - would have returned to positive territory; the same cannot be said for DJI, Nasdaq, etc etc.

            Commodities also haven't uniformly gone to new highs.

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              Re: The Economy Has Completely Recovered!

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              Yes, and then again no.

              A Bovespa index trade in 2007 - at the previous peak - would have returned to positive territory; the same cannot be said for DJI, Nasdaq, etc etc.

              Commodities also haven't uniformly gone to new highs.
              I want BEARISHNESS in the commodities markets. Especially, I want oil bears. What I want to see is more habitat preservation and wishful-thinking as an energy plan (as per, Dr. Chou in the U.S. Dept. of Energy under Obama and his bunch). May there be more solar crap and windmill-dreams and the hope of photo-electric solar paint (as per, Advanced Micro-Devices in Santa Clara, California). And I want to see more magic "super-conductors" like platinum used for wires on the power-grids.

              I just looked at the population of greater Riyadh and greater Jeddah and greater Doha, greater Cairo, greater Moscow, greater Shanghai, greater Pejing, the District Federal of Mexico, etc. But I want the short-sellers.... I love bears, especially stopped-clock bears like Bob Prechter.

              Bring-on the bears, especially the oil and atomic-power bears.

              And while the eco-frauds and pot-heads are driving BP out of the Gulf of Mexico, BP is going to drill for China. They are moving to the South China Sea to work with China's state-owned oil company. (God-bless BP!) And barely a word of this was mentioned in the news. BP is going to drill for China. (I love it!)

              Yes, I own BP and Exxon and Duke Energy and those dirty tar-sands stocks in Alberta. Yes! And I own GE too. A brighter future means MORE ENERGY! And I am the slow-learner here.....

              The former turd-world is going to be the new developed and prosperous world, and the old developed world (the PIIGS of Europe, America, and the UK) will become--- really are already---the new turd-world...... What a turn of events!

              Last edited by Starving Steve; December 25, 2010, 10:30 PM.

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