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    The Federal Trade Commission is seeking to revise the protocol surrounding two of life's touchiest subjects: debt and death.

    Debt collection has become an increasingly controversial practice as more Americans default on loan payments. Government data show the charge-off rate on consumer loans spiked to 6.71 percent during the second quarter - the highest level in at least 25 years. (Five years ago, the charge-off rate - loans written off by their lenders as uncollectable - was 2.4 percent.) Meanwhile, debt collection ranked second on the FTC's list of most common consumer complaints last year after not even cracking the top 20 two years ago.

    The rise in debt collection has spawned a niche market devoted to recouping money from those who die with unpaid bills. The FTC began investigating the practice several months ago and found confusion among collectors over whom they were allowed to contact and what they could say, said Joel Winston, the agency's associate director of financial practices.

    "The debt doesn't disappear when the person dies," he said. "It's still a valid debt, and the collector can still collect it."

    But the question is: From whom?

    Some consumer activists have criticized the FTC proposal as giving too much leeway to debt collectors. In addition, they have questioned details such as use of the word "spouse" vs. "widow" or "widower," arguing that marriages end upon death. Just whom debt collectors can contact is a particularly sensitive issue because the calls often come during what can be a time of high stress for friends and family of the deceased.

    "Presumably we're dealing with elderly people at the most vulnerable time that you could imagine," said Richard Rubin, a consumer rights lawyer in Santa Fe, N.M.

    Locating those who can pay the debt creates another challenge. Often, collectors may contact several friends or relatives in their attempt to find the right person.


    found him!

    Current law allows collectors to only ask for "location information" without revealing that a debt is owed. The FTC is considering relaxing that rule for those who are deceased.

    But that could pave the way for collectors to persuade unobligated consumers to pay the debt, consumer groups say. In its investigation of the practice, the FTC listened to thousands of phone calls and found debt collectors often operating in a gray area, Winston said.

    "Without actually saying anything inaccurate, a collector can kind of maneuver the consumer into paying something they didn't have to pay," he said.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112200515.html




  • #2
    Re: Deadbeat Collections

    Once again we find the FIRE industries prefer not to use the legal systems we already have.

    The US has a well-developed system of probate courts for just this situation. From the Oregon Bar Association website:
    Probate is a legal process whereby a court oversees the distribution of assets left by a deceased person’s will. Assets are anything a person owns with value, such as real and personal property and cash, for instance.

    When is probate needed?
    Probate is not always necessary. If the deceased person owned bank accounts or property with another person, the surviving co-owner often will then own that property automatically. If a person dies leaving very few assets, such as personal belongings or household goods, these items can be distributed among the rightful beneficiaries without the supervision of the court.

    Sometimes probate is needed to:

    -Clear title to land, stocks and bonds, or large bank or savings and loan accounts that were held in the name of the deceased person only, and put the title to these assets in the names of the rightful beneficiaries.

    -Collect debts owed to the deceased person.

    -Settle a dispute between people who claim they are entitled to assets of the deceased person.

    -Resolve any disputes about the validity of the deceased person’s will.
    No changes required to this system, as far as I can tell.

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    • #3
      Re: Deadbeat Collections

      A buddy of mine had a debt collector call him for an apartment he lived in 4 years prior. Though he left the lease after it expired, on good terms and with forwarding information.

      My guess is that selling fake debts to collection agencies is a way to boost the bottom line. The next big FIRE economy scheme: buy and resell debt for collections generated by any entity with a name and phone number of a previous account.

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