Obama stands by controversial air security screening methods

[Slimprofits]

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http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/vide...ideo_id=13157#

young boy searched by TSA agents

[Shakespear]

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Deepak Chopra, who is he? I thought he was for saving souls, but looks like without a Profit he is not going to do it.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Deepak Chopra, who is he? I thought he was for saving souls, but looks like without a Profit he is not going to do it.

The Deepak Chopra who is CEO of OSI is not the same as the one you're thinking of.

A description of the OSI CEO, taken from the website of another company of his, Spacelabs Healthcare: Senior Management:


Deepak Chopra

Chief Executive Officer


Appointed to the Board as an Executive Director in July 2005. He serves as the Chief Executive Officer of Spacelabs Healthcare, Inc. Deepak is also the founder of OSI Systems, Inc. where he currently serves as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer since its inception in May 1987. Previously to that he served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of ILC Technology, Inc. Deepak has also held various positions with Intel Corporation, TRW Semiconductors and RCA Semiconductors. He holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Electronics and a Master of Science degree in Semiconductors Electronics from the University of Massachusetts.

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A description of the spiritual leader, taken from his website The Chopra Center:

DEEPAK CHOPRA, M.D.
Co-founder of the Chopra Center for Wellbeing




Deepak Chopra is a world-renowned authority in the field of mind-body healing, a best-selling author, and the founder of the Chopra Center for Wellbeing. Heralded by Time Magazine as the "poet-prophet of alternative medicine," he is also the host of the popular weekly Wellness Radio program on Sirius/XM Stars.

[Master Shake]

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I can think of a few possibilities:

-- Present your "papers": a national ID card
-- Pin-prick blood test to check for exposure to bomb-making chemicals, etc (or genetic background)
-- Disallow carryons all together
-- Require passengers to change into mandatory jump-suits
-- Hand-cuff everyone to their seats once in the plane
-- Mandatory sedation before flying
-- Extend the security perimeter well outside of the area near the boarding gate
-- Require personal background checks before being allowed to fly
-- Segregating certain "high-risk" passengers onto specific flights

The list goes on-and-on. After all, if the government's charter is to keep you safe, then there's no limit to the amount of civil liberties that you should be willing to give up, right? Even if the threat is invisible, yet supposedly global in scope/reach.

We wouldn't have to put up with any of this nonsense if we simply focused on (aka "profiled") high risk groups, i.e. a certain "religion of peace."

[don]

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I suspect I was a tad too clever in my reference to 12:30 PM, Dallas, November 21, 1963.

U.S. President John F. Kennedy was assassinated then and there.

We spent a week at my in-laws (86 and 93). They had saved Life magazines of important occasions. One was the assassination of JFK. Remarkable how quickly the official non-conspiracy theory was presented by the MSM. "A remarkable feat of marksmanship"

[don]

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the kid's creed is unclear....

[Munger]

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Surprise. Turns out that Obama has been hanging out with the CEO of the naked scanner company. Really makes you feel good inside, no?

As the whole mess with the TSA scanners has received a lot more attention in the last week or so, a few folks are noticing that ex-Homeland Security boss Michael Chertoff, who's been quite busy defending the naked scanners, happens to be making a ton of money from one of the main ones, Rapiscan, made by OSI, a client of Chertoff's consulting firm. Of course, similar concerns were brought up a year ago when Chertoff was busy promoting the scanners, but it appears that many in the mainstream press continue to highlight his old Homeland Security title, while downplaying his current role making money from seeing those scanners sold.

However, perhaps even more interesting is the news that President Obama was finally asked to address the whole thing this weekend, and (not surprisingly) defended the scans and the pat downs as "the only [procedures] right now that [the TSA] considers to be effective," to prevent terrorism (while also admitting that he doesn't have to go through security to get on airplanes, so he hasn't experienced the scans.

No surprise there. Of course, what he didn't mention is that he just got done traveling with the CEO of OSI, the parent company of Rapiscan, the makers of the main naked scanner that is being purchased and put into all these airports. Apparently, OSI CEO, Deepak Chopra (no, not the new agey guy), "was selected to accompany US President, Barack Obama, to Mumbai and attended the US India Business Entrepreneurship meeting..."

Now, of course, all of this may be perfectly legit and reasonable. There may be plenty of reasons why all of these things happened. Chertoff and Obama may really believe these scanners are the best way to protect us. But, as Larry Lessig has been fond of pointing out lately with his anti-corruption project, it's these kinds of "connections" that make the American public lose trust in their government, since it can certainly be read in a rather corrupt manner.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ed-scans.shtml

[Master Shake]

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[I]the kid's creed is unclear....

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He certainly doesn't fit the profile we don't use.

[karim0028]

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We wouldn't have to put up with any of this nonsense if we simply focused on (aka "profiled") high risk groups, i.e. a certain "religion of peace."

I will say it again... As Ben Franklin once said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Do you honestly think that if someone wanted to do harm any type of security aside from a fascist type of security will help? A suicide bomber by definition doesn't give a shit... Do you think he is afraid of being caught? Where does it stop? Why not just go to a public place? Coffee shops, stadiums, concerts? Are you willing to be strip scanned at a concert?

Once you give in to this type of treatment at the hands of your government there is no end to it... In the beginning its just a certain "type" of people and then a new threat emerges and a new type of "procedure" or "people" and its only going to be "temporary".... Govt by definition develops mission creep. Once these idiots in govt get power they never get it back; case in point just take a look at how the TSA folks treat folks bc they have a "mission"... We get a bunch of high school edumacated idiots with a god complex backed up by a govt at gunpoint....

Dealing with this through security means and ignoring the reasons this happens is like trying to put cologne on a rotting corpse; you're dealing with the symptoms instead of the actual problem.

[Master Shake]

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I will say it again... As Ben Franklin once said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Do you honestly think that if someone wanted to do harm any type of security aside from a fascist type of security will help? A suicide bomber by definition doesn't give a shit... Do you think he is afraid of being caught? Where does it stop? Why not just go to a public place? Coffee shops, stadiums, concerts? Are you willing to be strip scanned at a concert?

Once you give in to this type of treatment at the hands of your government there is no end to it... In the beginning its just a certain "type" of people and then a new threat emerges and a new type of "procedure" or "people" and its only going to be "temporary".... Govt by definition develops mission creep. Once these idiots in govt get power they never get it back; case in point just take a look at how the TSA folks treat folks bc they have a "mission"... We get a bunch of high school edumacated idiots with a god complex backed up by a govt at gunpoint....

Dealing with this through security means and ignoring the reasons this happens is like trying to put cologne on a rotting corpse; you're dealing with the symptoms instead of the actual problem.

We're not talking about concerts or malls (although I think the next big attack in the US will be a Bali/Mumbai or Chechnya type attack), but airlines, which AQ seems to have a certain fondness for targeting. The "naked scanners" are only used randomly at this point. It seems to me that instead of selecting people randomly for enhanced screening procedures, we should focus on a subset of people that have shown a passed proclivity to target airplanes.

I am all for treating the symptoms, which to me means much better border security and a radical change to our immigration policies.

[Gnosis]

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I have contacted my representitives (HAHAHAHAH) in state and federal gov as well as the TSA asking for this "rope and grope" or "Microwave a friend at work day" to stop. Please contact to the PTB to apply what pressure we can to stop this. We can do better. Let's follow the EL AL Airline protocols. It will not stop here if we don't fight it. Fascism creeps.......for security purposes I assure you.

[ThePythonicCow]

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I am all for treating the symptoms, which to me means much better border security and a radical change to our immigration policies.

I'm all for treating the symptoms too, Master Shake.

Downsize the U.S. government by 50% to 90% (DHS and TSA ... gone, for example); replace 99% of our "elected" representatives; repeal most of the major legislative acts that have been enacted in the last few decades; ...

[karim0028]

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We're not talking about concerts or malls (although I think the next big attack in the US will be a Bali/Mumbai or Chechnya type attack), but airlines, which AQ seems to have a certain fondness for targeting. The "naked scanners" are only used randomly at this point. It seems to me that instead of selecting people randomly for enhanced screening procedures, we should focus on a subset of people that have shown a passed proclivity to target airplanes.

I am all for treating the symptoms, which to me means much better border security and a radical change to our immigration policies.

i am talking overall.... You implement draconian measures at airports; then an attack happens at a mall... what then?

[Gnosis]

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You implement draconian measures at airports; then an attack happens at a mall... what then?

PREXACTLY. Will they check colostomy bags at the grocery store? Gives a new "twist" to the statement "Clean up on aisle 4!"

[bcassill]

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Why doesn't Barry show us what a "true American" he is and send Michelle and the kids first through the body scanners at Dulles and then get pulled aside for an enhanced sexual assault..er...pat down by some bull dyke TSA worker. Heck, invite the news media to the spectacle and we can all enjoy the expression on his and Michelle's faces as the family is given the treatment like this lady endured:

http://www.ourlittlechatterboxes.com/2010/11/tsa-sexual-assault.html

Of course, this will NEVER happen to the "Annointed One" or any other member of the White House posse.

Barry is an A$$CLOWN plain and simple. He's not even halfway through his term, and he has successfully reached the level of irrelevance that George Bush enjoyed in the final months of his second term. Can we just get this guy to shut the f*&k up and disappear?