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[FRED]

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Appx 0.005 to 0.009 mrems, according to Wikipedia.

In theory, that's as much additional radiation as you get from about 2 minutes in flight, or about 1 additional cancer death per 200M scans, or about 2.5 people per year in the US if everyone who flew was scanned.

However, that's assuming you believe the published dose numbers and their theoretical effects, and that the machines are in proper working order and are being operated correctly. I'm not sure I buy any of those suppositions.

Anyone care to try out our new IM system by taking this topic here?

[swgprop]

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Young Boy Strip Searched By TSA

[tsetsefly]

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How did no one yell anything?

Unless people don't start standing up to this then we will continue to see it, this is borderline police state...what is next?

It makes little sense too since a bomber could easily blow himself up at a school, sporting event, festival, time square etc.

All this is psychological warfare on the American public...

[swgprop]

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How did no one yell anything?

Agreed, it's almost beyond my comprehension. It appears, however, that the outrage over the pointless security theatrics acted out by the TSA is growing and, I think, will reach critical mass. Finally the sheeple might make themselves heard.

TSA pat-down leaves Lansing man covered in urine, humiliated

A bladder cancer survivor traveling to Orlando, Fla., was left humiliated, upset and covered in his own urine on Nov. 7 after a TSA pat-down went awry at Detroit Metropolitan Airport, MSNBC.com reports.

New York, Orlando join anti-TSA rebellion, TSA mounts PR effort

New York and Orlando aren't taking the TSA scanner/pat-down controversy lying down. Instead, officials in both places are fighting back. In Orlando, the Sanford airport is reportedly planning to take advantage of a little-known clause that allows airports to opt-out of TSA protection and instead use a federally approved private screening company.
"You're going to get better service at a better price and more accountability and better customer service," a Sanford Airport Authority official told a local Orlando news outlet. The airport is moving ahead with the opt-out, and says it will take about a year to complete.
Further north, in New York, Democratic city council officials are plotting to ban the TSA's nude scanners entirely, Wired reports. No airport or other facility would be allowed to operate a backscatter scanner inside New York city limits.
"We're not opting out of screening altogether," Greenfield told Wired's Threat Level blog. "We're simply banning one type of screening that hasn't proven effective."
Greenfeld and his fellow councilmembers are hoping to spark a chain reaction that leads to other cities banning the scanners. He invited the TSA to sue the city if they didn't like the ban.

[ThePythonicCow]

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How did no one yell anything?

The bully bureaucracy is begging for a fight, as bullies are wont to do.

If we cower before them, they win.

If we resist, they feel justified in amp'ing up the control, until they win.

Too much power has been placed in the hands of small-minded people on a power trip.

If we are to storm the gates of the Bastille, we need to find an unguarded back door.

[tsetsefly]

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The bully bureaucracy is begging for a fight, as bullies are wont to do.

If we cower before them, they win.

If we resist, they feel justified in amp'ing up the control, until they win.

Too much power has been placed in the hands of small-minded people on a power trip.

If we are to storm the gates of the Bastille, we need to find an unguarded back door.

Agree, unfortunately the sheeple have been programmed to obey. You know if someone would of spoke up other travelers would of just distanced themselves from him and look at him as a "weirdo". THe man would of most likely been arrested or at the very least interrogated for a long time.
But it's getting to a point where we have to accept these consequences if we want things to change

[Shakespear]

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As previously posted, well trained dogs (those four legged "man best friend" kind) have been found to be the best in finding ....... traaaaa laaaa EXPLOSIVES. Sniff, sniff and you can be on your way.

But dogs are far too cheap for making a Profit !!!

[shiny!]

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As previously posted, well trained dogs (those four legged "man best friend" kind) have been found to be the best in finding ....... traaaaa laaaa EXPLOSIVES. Sniff, sniff and you can be on your way.

But dogs are far too cheap for making a Profit !!!

I would love it if the airports breaking away from the TSA would switch to dogs. What a statement that would make! But the TSA won't use dogs because their real intention isn't to keep us safe, it's to intimidate us and condition us to be passive, while enriching Chertoff, Soros and their ilk. Seems to be working.

[Shakespear]

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Well well, it seems that Penn had this "don't touch my crotch" moment in 2002.

http://www.pennandteller.com/03/cool...ederalvip.html



PS: Finally found this on what Israeli expert thinks.

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_pr...41610&sponsor=

Sorry in German

http://www.americablog.com/2010/01/g...s-of-body.html

[Jay]

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Don't know if anyone got to see the TSA hearing yesterday but boy are we f*cked!

Yes we are!



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[zoog]

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Since this whole mess is such a negative and upsetting thing, and getting worse right around the holidays, I was pondering various ways we could poke fun at how ridiculous the whole stupid process is. For instance:

What would happen if we decided en mass to promote "Fly in your Speedo Day" on Tuesday November 23rd?

You show up at the airport in your Speedo, thong, bikini, or similar. If you live in a cold weather state, your wearing a long coat over it. If you're fortunate enough to live in a warm weather state, you could walk-in, in just your Speedo. Either way, you carry your clothes on a hanger, and as you check in, your clothes go on the conveyor belt & get x-rayed. Once clear on the other side, you could (if you so desired) put them back on. Or, you could just stay in your Speedo and have a really interesting flight - hopefully the plane is warm. Can you imagine a beach party theme'd flight... with the appropriate beverages served, of course

Fly Naked, also came to mind, but that's far too 'Euro' for us/our laws... and besides there are some folks who, seeing them in a Speedo would already be too much

For "fun", you could show up wearing this t-shirt...



Sigh. I used to enjoy flying, until about 2001 or so...

Unfortunately there often are no reasonable alternatives to flying, which I'm sure they are well aware of. When I researched an upcoming trip to San Diego, I found that with everything considered, flying, Amtrak, and driving all cost about the same. (If I drove straight through for 18 hours then driving would be cheaper via no midway motel each way, but the main cost is gasoline.) Driving with an overnight stay is a day and half each way. Amtrak is 33 hours each way even with only an hour or two layover in LA! Flying is 3 hours plus waiting in line for a dose of cancer.

Hurry up with the high-speed trains already.

[snakela]

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How did no one yell anything?

Unless people don't start standing up to this then we will continue to see it, this is borderline police state...what is next?

It makes little sense too since a bomber could easily blow himself up at a school, sporting event, festival, time square etc.

Or just in the security line. Makes way more sense really. Nobody would wonder why you have a giant, heavy suitcase.

[flintlock]

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I find the whole airplane obsession bizarre. Both the terrorists and the government act as if that is the only place we are vulnerable. I say if the terrorists had any real desire to actually hurt the US, they'd start hitting the shopping malls. Impossible to protect and it would actually hurt what's left of the US economy, the "consumption economy". Of course ,why change when they are "winning" by giving our own government the ammo it needs to complete it's domination over us. The world is becoming bizarre at a faster rate than I can absorb it. Straight out of a dystopian novel. Nope, no need for hitting those soft targets, the "Terrorists" are content to let our own "protectors" do us in.

These little Gremlins "just doing their jobs" need to "opt out" at some point, lest they some day be compared to the Nazi storm troops circa 1938.

[Jay]

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I find the whole airplane obsession bizarre. Both the terrorists and the government act as if that is the only place we are vulnerable. I say if the terrorists had any real desire to actually hurt the US, they'd start hitting the shopping malls. Impossible to protect and it would actually hurt what's left of the US economy, the "consumption economy". Of course ,why change when they are "winning" by giving our own government the ammo it needs to complete it's domination over us. The world is becoming bizarre at a faster rate than I can absorb it. Straight out of a dystopian novel. Nope, no need for hitting those soft targets, the "Terrorists" are content to let our own "protectors" do us in.

These little Gremlins "just doing their jobs" need to "opt out" at some point, lest they some day be compared to the Nazi storm troops circa 1938.

I always thought one of the easiest ways would be to just put a big bomb on a boat or three. Hitting US ports would send quite a message and it's tough to effectively control all shipping traffic. Hopefully this never happens.

[ThePythonicCow]

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I find the whole airplane obsession bizarre. Both the terrorists and the government act as if that is the only place we are vulnerable.

"Terrorism" is the excuse du jour. Monitoring and controlling our travel, financial transactions, political controversies, and communications, is the objective.