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[shiny!]

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I must advise you to eat a box of Twinkies, drink some fluoridated water, and watch your daily quota of six hours of television. Repeat each day for the next 30 days. There seems to be some risk that you are losing touch with the Matrix reality, and it would unfortunate if you had to undergo more advanced treatment methods. </sarcasm>

Maybe I'll just go back on my meds.

Random thoughts:

I do wish they would switch to bomb-sniffing dogs. Not just because they're better and cheaper and less invasive and don't cause cancer, but because I just love dogs!

I did a report on Joe Foss in High School. It grieves me no end to hear about the abuse he suffered at the hands of those ignorant, ungrateful petty tyrants!

My son and daughter-in-law are flying out to visit us in December for three days. Haven't seen them in over two years. We're going to call them tonight and tell them not to come. I am depressed.

[sishya]

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On a recent visit 10 days ago, I saw the dehumanizing experience of women being frisked. They touch the genital areas and recently it has become very bad.
Now this will negatively effect just turned puberty/post-puberty girls and boys. Also young children, it is intolerable to be frisked by strangers just because we bought a ticket.
This is a wrong way for doing things and need to be stopped. Also I don't want to be exposed to radiation.

I think people needs to protest this

[karim0028]

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Maybe I'll just go back on my meds.

Random thoughts:

I do wish they would switch to bomb-sniffing dogs. Not just because they're better and cheaper and less invasive and don't cause cancer, but because I just love dogs!

I did a report on Joe Foss in High School. It grieves me no end to hear about the abuse he suffered at the hands of those ignorant, ungrateful petty tyrants!

My son and daughter-in-law are flying out to visit us in December for three days. Haven't seen them in over two years. We're going to call them tonight and tell them not to come. I am depressed.

I dont think we have those xray machines here in phoenix yet... If they dont have them at their departure airport then they should be cool... I have yet to actually see one of these machines....

[ThePythonicCow]

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I liked the photo and headline on the Drudge Report today. "The terrorists have won!". With a picture of an apparently Muslim TSA employee frisking a nun.

That picture is worth capturing for posterity (well, at least for future iTulip readers):

[shiny!]

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I dont think we have those xray machines here in phoenix yet... If they dont have them at their departure airport then they should be cool... I have yet to actually see one of these machines....

Thanks, karim, but according to a google search they are already here at Sky Harbor. Janet Napolitreno was our governor in 2007:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix...rport_security

On February 23, 2007, Sky Harbor became the first airport to operationally use backscatter X-ray technologies for screening passengers.[15] This technology allows screeners to tell if passengers are carrying hidden weapons, explosives or drugs by allowing them to see through passengers' clothing. For this reason, these devices, which are available both as freestanding equipment and mobile 'cameras' have been dubbed 'naked machines' by some civil rights advocates[16] concerned that the devices essentially show screeners nude images of passengers and have been deployed without making passengers aware of this infringement on their privacy.

Then there's this. I especially love the last line:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/06/18/20100618phoenix-sky-harbor-airport-security-
body-scanner.html

Sky Harbor Airport gets new body scanner
TSA officials begin using full-body-imaging machine at Terminal 4

by Emily Gersema - Jun. 18, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

Travelers preparing to board flights at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport's Terminal 4 can choose between two screenings: a new X-ray scan or a metal-detector scan and possible pat down by federal airport security.

The airport and Transportation Security Administration on Thursday formally unveiled one of the newly installed backscatter body scanners, a bulky doorway that uses low-level X-rays to create a computer image showing whether passengers are carrying weapons or bomb-making materials.

Phoenix Sky Harbor is one of the 32 airports nationwide that have the body-imaging machines, which highlight threatening items, even substances that aren't made of metal. The airport first tested the machine in 2007.

Nationwide, installation of the backscatter and a similar screener, the millimeter wave, has been gradual.

TSA officials said they hastened plans after the "underwear bomb" that Nigerian national Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was accused of trying to detonate Christmas Day on a Northwest flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.

The TSA officially began using the new scanner at Terminal 4 last week and posted signs at checkpoints telling passengers they could go through the backscatter or the more-familiar metal detector.

Eighty percent of the nearly 3 million Phoenix passengers each month funnel through Terminal 4 for flights by Air Canada, AeroMexico, British Airways, Southwest Airlines and US Airways, federal officials say.

Passengers must still remove their shoes and empty their pockets, no matter which scanner they choose.

TSA security manager Dennis Hayne said passengers may save time with the backscatter.

He guessed that the metal detector takes about 10 seconds while the backscatter takes five seconds.

"And it will detect more threats," he said.

The device was deemed safe by the Food and Drug Administration and National Institute of Standards and Technology.

The amount of radiation from backscatter screening is equivalent to two minutes of flight on an airplane, according to the TSA website.

The scan involves at least two TSA officers. One coaches the passenger through while another officer sits at a computer monitor in a nearby locked room. A slightly revealing, chalky image of the front and back of the passenger appears, with dark outlines flagging suspicious items that may merit a pat down and further inquiry. The face is indiscernible. Genitalia are clearly in the image.

The officer in the tiny room cannot carry a cellphone or camera - a measure to assure passengers their privacy is protected, said Dwayne Baird, a TSA spokesman. The officer communicates with co-workers by radio.

Baird said as soon as the passenger is cleared for boarding, the image is deleted, and no record remains. The officer cannot leave the room until the passenger has left the checkpoint area.

Despite these efforts, hundreds of people have complained about the machines.

TSA phone-call records posted online show more than 400 people from May 2009 to January complained about the machines, with many calling them "unconstitutional" and an "invasion of privacy."

But TSA is installing more, adding a confidential number of backscatters at the other Phoenix terminals. The agency projects that by the end of next year, 1,100 body-imaging machines will be operating nationwide.

The machines cost about $170,000 each. Federal stimulus funds paid for them.

[flintlock]

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If I was clever I'd shoot a music video titled " Don't touch my junk!" a la " Pants on the ground" and retire early.

[WildspitzE]

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Im glad this post was started because this "security" is becoming insane and needless to say unconstitutional..

funny that you should mention this. wonder how far up incompetence goes at the tsa? check this guy out.

mouth, meet foot.

[pianodoctor]

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The story is local news here: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...76dbafa3e.html

[ThePythonicCow]

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mouth, meet foot.

What you accuse that TSA representative of doing might be beyond his intellectual capacity ... just saying.

[DToM67]

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Since this whole mess is such a negative and upsetting thing, and getting worse right around the holidays, I was pondering various ways we could poke fun at how ridiculous the whole stupid process is. For instance:

What would happen if we decided en mass to promote "Fly in your Speedo Day" on Tuesday November 23rd?

You show up at the airport in your Speedo, thong, bikini, or similar. If you live in a cold weather state, your wearing a long coat over it. If you're fortunate enough to live in a warm weather state, you could walk-in, in just your Speedo. Either way, you carry your clothes on a hanger, and as you check in, your clothes go on the conveyor belt & get x-rayed. Once clear on the other side, you could (if you so desired) put them back on. Or, you could just stay in your Speedo and have a really interesting flight - hopefully the plane is warm. Can you imagine a beach party theme'd flight... with the appropriate beverages served, of course

Fly Naked, also came to mind, but that's far too 'Euro' for us/our laws... and besides there are some folks who, seeing them in a Speedo would already be too much

[ThePythonicCow]

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Amazing how far this is going. Definitely psychological torture.

Damn thugs.

• TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants
• TSA says: “It really is irresponsible to encourage anyone to opt out"
• It is illegal ($11,000 fine) to refuse the check and leave the security area unchecked
• TSA pats down a screaming toddler (3 yr. old)
• Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "It's all about everybody recognizing their role."

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA), now 67,000 employees strong (there are only perhaps 30,000 commercial airline flights per day in the USA) has declared a cold war of tyranny on America. Travel must be made difficult. Resistance must be futile. Walking out justifies fines and investigations. Hijab wearing Muslim TSA agents will feel up nuns wearing habits. Male TSA agents will feel up good looking females. Adult strangers will feel up young children. Clueless agents will take nail clippers from lawfully armed and weapons carrying airline pilots. They will try to take Congressional Medals of Honor from America's finest heroes, because "the medals have sharp points." The compliant will provide naked body scans (and get a free dose of X-Rays.) Any objections -- a platoon of armed men with automatic weapons will show you who's boss.The TSA is deliberately and willfully flaunting their abusive power in our face, daring us to resist, in order that our resistance might justify an increased intensity of their oppression.

The oligarchy is training an army of brutes, bullies and thugs to manage our oppression. It is training most of us to submit, and identifying those who would resist.

[tsetsefly]

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Damn thugs.

• TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants
• TSA says: “It really is irresponsible to encourage anyone to opt out"
• It is illegal ($11,000 fine) to refuse the check and leave the security area unchecked
• TSA pats down a screaming toddler (3 yr. old)
• Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "It's all about everybody recognizing their role."

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA), now 67,000 employees strong (there are only perhaps 30,000 commercial airline flights per day in the USA) has declared a cold war of tyranny on America. Travel must be made difficult. Resistance must be futile. Walking out justifies fines and investigations. Hijab wearing Muslim TSA agents will feel up nuns wearing habits. Male TSA agents will feel up good looking females. Adult strangers will feel up young children. Clueless agents will take nail clippers from lawfully armed and weapons carrying airline pilots. They will try to take Congressional Medals of Honor from America's finest heroes, because "the medals have sharp points." The compliant will provide naked body scans (and get a free dose of X-Rays.) Any objections -- a platoon of armed men with automatic weapons will show you who's boss.The TSA is deliberately and willfully flaunting their abusive power in our face, daring us to resist, in order that our resistance might justify an increased intensity of their oppression.

The oligarchy is training an army of brutes, bullies and thugs to manage our oppression. It is training most of us to submit, and identifying those who would resist.

What is funny about the civil suit is the man volunteered to go through metal screening but was not allowed to and then he was told to leave the airport. But now they are suing him for following orders?

[ThePythonicCow]

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But now they are suing him for following orders?

The orders changed. You must follow the latest orders, unless of course the latest orders are self-contradictory, in which case you must submit to the inevitable and unavoidable punishment.

[flintlock]

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FLASHBACK: PENN JILLETTE CALLS COPS ON GROPING TSA AGENT
11/13/02

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9p.htm

I tell the cop the story, in a very funny way. The cop, the voice of sanity says, "What's wrong with you people? You can't just grab a guy's crank without his permission." I tell him that my genitals weren't grabbed and the cop says, "I don't care, you can't do that to people. That's assault and battery in my book."

[lomaxzoltor]

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In the above link, the blogger states:

I will leave you with this thought: “It is acceptable and encouraged that a TSA government official can do something to an American citizen that US military personnel cannot do to a member of the Taliban.”

Anyone know if she's correct in this assertion? If she is, Americans should, en mass, rightly tell the TSA to f*ck right off.

The obvious is answer is that since military personnel are killing Taliban members, it's not entirely true. Perhaps just a matter of time though until they have the right to use deadly force on passengers who are unwilling to comply with requests to fondle their junk. The only impetus they'd need is for some angry passenger to-be to get up to the security checkpoint and go on a shooting spree. Then us sheeple would demand the TSA be better protected...

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."