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[flintlock]

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"Terrorism" is the excuse du jour. Monitoring and controlling our travel, financial transactions, political controversies, and communications, is the objective.

Oh, I agree completely.

[ThePythonicCow]

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"Terrorism" is the excuse du jour

Oh, I agree completely.

I worry that "terrorism" will be used not just to justify further increases in domestic tyranny, but also be used as to justify further increases in foreign wars (e.g., NATO vs Iran or some such.)

[tsetsefly]

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I find the whole airplane obsession bizarre. Both the terrorists and the government act as if that is the only place we are vulnerable. I say if the terrorists had any real desire to actually hurt the US, they'd start hitting the shopping malls. Impossible to protect and it would actually hurt what's left of the US economy, the "consumption economy". Of course ,why change when they are "winning" by giving our own government the ammo it needs to complete it's domination over us. The world is becoming bizarre at a faster rate than I can absorb it. Straight out of a dystopian novel. Nope, no need for hitting those soft targets, the "Terrorists" are content to let our own "protectors" do us in.

These little Gremlins "just doing their jobs" need to "opt out" at some point, lest they some day be compared to the Nazi storm troops circa 1938.

NOt only that, but some have mentioned the underwear bomber would have not been found even using of the scanners. Also what everyone is missing with the underwear bomber ïs that his own dad reported him. IF anything it was bad handling of information. Much like 9-11, where alot of information that could of prevented it was overlooked.

Also 9-11 would of never happened had cockpits been locked and pilots armed but the TSA line at the time was "comply" so passengers and crew complied...

[bpr]

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Sigh. I used to enjoy flying, until about 2001 or so...

Until this news came out I quite enjoyed flying under the terror regime. I'd make a point of wearing no socks and my oldest, stinkiest shoes, and enjoyed flying in interesting times.

Two of my favorites:
1. getting a connecting flight to JFK from Heathrow less than a week after 9/11. Italian security held up the originating flight because of the increased terror threat, so the security at Heathrow just let me through without checking my carry-on luggage at all. An officer ushered me through a side door to avoid the security checkpoint so I could make my flight on time. When I finally got into my seat I thought, wait... why is it even there if they let folks like me through?

2. Departing Charleston, SC. We'd measured all liquids and had stuff in little bags, but I had forgotten about a jar of peach preserves (not really a liquid, I thought) purchased as a gift for my parents. The TSA worker looked at the jar like it was from another planet, and motioned to her superior. The head security guy came over and looked at the preserves and said, "THAT ain't going on the plane," as he licked his chops and tossed the preserves into a pile of foodstuffs that were likely going home with him.
<div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container b-icon b-icon__ldquo-l--gray"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally posted by <strong>zoog</strong> <a href="https://www.itulip.com/forums/forum/public-discussion-forums/news/18064-opt-out?p=279203#post279203" rel="nofollow" title="View Post" class="b-icon b-icon__double-arrow-right--blue animate-scroll">View Post</a> </div> <div class="message">For "fun", you could show up wearing this <a href="http://bigbrother.memeresearch.com/" target="_blank">t-shirt</a>...<br /> <br /> <img src="http://img.printfection.com/14/364775/ATv9q.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br /> <br /> And although at least a couple years old, there's always this.<br /> <img src="http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/417dcb03_6e83_230a.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br /> <br /> Sigh. I used to enjoy flying, until about 2001 or so...<br /> <br /> Unfortunately there often are no reasonable alternatives to flying, which I'm sure they are well aware of. When I researched an upcoming trip to San Diego, I found that with everything considered, flying, Amtrak, and driving all cost about the same. (If I drove straight through for 18 hours then driving would be cheaper via no midway motel each way, but the main cost is gasoline.) Driving with an overnight stay is a day and half each way. Amtrak is 33 hours each way even with only an hour or two layover in LA! Flying is 3 hours plus waiting in line for a dose of cancer.<br /> <br /> Hurry up with the high-speed trains already.<img src="images/smilies/running.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Run Away" smilieid="30" class="inlineimg" /></div> </div> </div> </div>
It strikes me that the bigger delays happen at smaller airports in my experience: Charleston, White Plains, NY, Ft. Lauderdale have been where I've seen major holdups. I never have a delay at JFK, Newark, Atlanta, O'Hare or LAX.

The blogger was held up in Dayton, Ohio.

How much of a terror threat are those smaller airports, compared to the major hubs?

[snakela]

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My longest holdup was at an airport with 3 employees that served 2 prop-plane flights a day. TSA unpacked all checked baggage by hand. Then ran the carry-ons through an X-ray in the other part of the double-wide that served as the airport. True story.

[zoog]

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My longest holdup was at an airport with 3 employees that served 2 prop-plane flights a day. TSA unpacked all checked baggage by hand. Then ran the carry-ons through an X-ray in the other part of the double-wide that served as the airport. True story.

Another example of security theater. In a small airport with fewer passengers coming through, they have time for the full hollywood production. In larger airports I'm sure a lot of things slip through because if they put everyone through that level of processing no one would ever make their flights. A friend of mine once flew from Portland to Tokyo with three pocketknives in his carry-on bag (he had forgotten they were there).

...It strikes me that the bigger delays happen at smaller airports in my experience: Charleston, White Plains, NY, Ft. Lauderdale have been where I've seen major holdups. I never have a delay at JFK, Newark, Atlanta, O'Hare or LAX. ... How much of a terror threat are those smaller airports, compared to the major hubs?

I think the perceived concern about smaller airports is that perhaps the security there is more lax (though snakala's example and my limited experiences suggest otherwise), or at least that the TSA people there are less experienced / less observant, so someone might be able to get into the system through a smaller airport. Once you're in, you can fly from airport to airport all over the country without another check, unless you leave a terminal.

[ThePythonicCow]

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[ThePythonicCow]

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It should be painfully obvious to anyone who examines our history that events such as this latest outrage over the TSA's abuse in our airports do not happen by accident!

Too many politicians, too many main stream and alternative news media outlets, too many public officials, have jumped into this fray on both sides for this to be simply either the unfortunate result of some bumbling bureaucrats or the protests a natural uprising of popular sentiment unwelcome or unexpected by those with serious money and power.

Someone is playing games with us, and it's a near certainty that the most important change being affected by this game is not clear to either of the publicly opposed sides.

Why? Who? What is going on here? Someone is up to some no good. There is more here than meets the eye.

[Sharky]

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However, that's assuming you believe the published dose numbers and their theoretical effects, and that the machines are in proper working order and are being operated correctly. I'm not sure I buy any of those suppositions.

Johns Hopkins is now saying that they have been misquoted by TSA regarding the safety of x-ray based scanners. They also acknowledge issues regarding potential malfunctions:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/8543...y-with-tsa.htm

[ThePythonicCow]

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[ThePythonicCow]

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Johns Hopkins is now saying that they have been misquoted by TSA regarding the safety of x-ray based scanners.

In similar news, Dr. Blaylock reports that Body Scanners are More Dangerous Than Feds Admit.

[Shakespear]

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Just to lighten things up a bit on Thanksgiving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEeRD...layer_embedded

[zoog]

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In similar news, Dr. Blaylock reports that Body Scanners are More Dangerous Than Feds Admit.

Can't find another article I was reading along these lines but it expressed concerns about the x-rays being directed primarily at the head.

It also has been determined that when skin is next to certain metals, such as gold, the radiation dose is magnified 100-fold higher. What if you have a mole next to your gold jewelry? Will the radiation convert it to a melanoma?

Aha! The scanners are part of a nefarious plan to give you cancer if you try to leave the country with your hoard of gold bullion.

[By the way, all these emoticons we have these days but there's not one to denote sarcasm, like the old rolling-eyes one.]

This post intentionally left devoid of useful content. The iTulip forum software keeps overwriting my replies with a copy of an earlier post of zoog's from above.

This keeps happening to me! I type my post, hit preview and what it shows is an earlier post of mine. I have to hit my browser back button to get my new stuff to even show up in the message composition box. What I've finally managed to get to work is to Ctrl-C copy the new text I want out of the message composition box, hit Reply... which repeats that previous post, then I edit my post, clear out the redundant info and paste in what I want. Lame.

[ThePythonicCow]

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This keeps happening to me! I type my post, hit preview and ...

That's what I was seeing as well (just on this thread, and only last night.)

A wire got crossed somewhere (they do still program computers with patch cards and jumper wires, don't they?)

P.S. -- I'm still seeing this glitch over a day after I first saw it, though the glitch is still just on this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Can't find another article I was reading along these lines but it expressed concerns about the x-rays being directed primarily at the head.

Perhaps you're referring to this one: Invasion of the Body Scanners: Airport Security May Not Work, But It Does Cause Cancer, or to the letter from New Jersey Congressman Rush Holt mentioned therein.