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  • #16
    Re: Debt Commission Chairs Release Draft Plan

    I agree with some of what has been stated here: The problems with Medicare and Medicaid do dwarf the ones with Social Security.

    But there are still some very real and very large problems with SS. We are going to have to borrow (correct me if I am wrong) some 47 Billion USD to cover costs this year. And it is highly likely that SS has run its last surplus. Each and every year hence the Treasury will have to sell debt as the equivalent to whatever revenue shortfall exists. This is not small change. And regardless of how this is spun it is still money that should have been there and is not. The government siezed it, put it into the general fund (by voice call vote) each and every year since the surplus was made.

    Now it is gone. We have Treasury IOUs.

    I don't have a problem with raising the taxable income to cover this, fair enough. I don't have a problem with raising rates to cover this. I don't have a problem with bumping up the retirement age a couple years. But we need to agree on some solution and turn it into reality.

    Medicare? Medical costs are the 400 pound gorilla. We lie to ourselves as to what the cause is so why shouldn't we lie to ourselves as to what the solution is. We will never admit that the medical profession itself is mostly to blame. This is a rigged shortage brought onto America on purpose.

    Will

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    • #17
      Re: Debt Commission Chairs Release Draft Plan

      As a pro-business, conservative leaning Libertarian, it pains me to say this, but the "medicine as a business" model is a failure. Well, at least if you consider success to mean having a sustainable future. Well it does produce amazing results in many cases. They can transplant a freaking heart! But what good is this if almost nobody can afford it? Some things just don't work well when done for profit. Kind of like religion.

      I really don't have any answers but I just think something is wrong when you have doctors pushing for expensive tests when they own the lab, or pushing expensive drugs because some cute sales rep brings him lunch every day. Or some hospital charging whatever it knows it can get out of the insurance. Or the fact a doctor can get sued silly for making a tough judgment call and being wrong. Its no different than some auto mechanic lying to you about needing that new transmission. Only it is different. There is something about a human life that is hard to put a price on. Only people are forced to put a price on their own lives every day.

      We have amazing medicine these days. Too bad it's outpaced our ability to pay for it.
      Last edited by flintlock; November 11, 2010, 10:14 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Debt Commission Chairs Release Draft Plan

        [QUOTE=flintlock;180751]As a pro-business, conservative leaning Libertarian, it pains me to say this, but the "medicine as a business" model is a failure. Well, at least if you consider success to mean having a sustainable future. Well it does produce amazing results in many cases. They can transplant a freaking heart! But what good is this if almost nobody can afford it? Some things just don't work well when done for profit. Kind of like religion.

        I really don't have any answers but I just think something is wrong when you have doctors pushing for expensive tests when they own the lab, or pushing expensive drugs because some cute sales rep brings him lunch every day. Or some hospital charging whatever it knows it can get out of the insurance. Or the fact a doctor can get sued silly for making a tough judgment call and being wrong. Its no different than some auto mechanic lying to you about needing that new transmission. Only it is different. There is something about a human life that is hard to put a price on. Only people are forced to put a price on their own lives every day.

        We have amazing medicine these days. Too bad it's outpaced our ability to pay for it.[/QUOTE

        Thank you for your post and the remarks:

        "There is something about a human life that is hard to put a price on."

        "Some things just don't work well when done for profit--- kind of like religion."

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