ron paul calls for end of soc sec

[Starving Steve]

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You are mixing Ron Paul in with messages that he has never said and are the antithesis of his position, especially with regards to "deficits don't count," "consumption means growth," "America's consumer economy is the engine of world growth," and "supply-side economics." His platform is the very epitome of advocacy for a balanced budget and paying your bills without deficits. His platform is about lower spending overall, which you may not agree with especially with regards to social programs, but don't try to paint him as a bill-dodging Repuke.

Let's talk about tax INCREASES and spending cuts that grandma may have to endure, and then we would be getting into a serious conversation about balancing the budget. I mean, let's quit the bull-crap. The pain will be the following: (X + Y + Z) plus tax INCREASES (A + B + C)...... And then I would have some respect for your hero, Ron Paul.

[Starving Steve]

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Ron Paul is an advocate of returning to the gold standard, and that is great. Who isn't a gold-bug these days? The gold standard would help put discipline into America's fiscal-spending. But please remember that the U.S. claims to have 8,000 metric tonnes of gold now in Ft. Knox, and if that gold is owned entirely by the U.S. Treasury, then what discipline has that 8,000 metric tonnes of gold applied to the fiscal-spending in Washington?

I would think that the 8,000 metric tonnes of gold that the U.S. Treasury holds in storage at Ft. Knox has only encouraged wasteful spending in Washington, DC. That gold encourages confidence in the dollar, and that gold hoard keeps this faith-currency (the dollar) going strong.

So, let this Republican spell-out his plan, not just for gold, but for cutting spending, hiking taxes, and paying the bills for the deficits. And naturally, Ron Paul is silent.

Everyone loves gold. So what else is news?

[ThePythonicCow]

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plus tax INCREASES (A + B + C)

Did you miss Ron Paul's "MINUS Defense Spending (D + E +F)"?

[Starving Steve]

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We need more than cutting even defence-spending. We need tax INCREASES, galore. And this Ron Paul needs to spell-out the tax increases that Americans are going to have to endure.

Then on top of all this, the American system of for-profit healthcare has to be dis-mantled, and socialized-medicine has to be instituted. So, there have to be tax increases just to pay for that reform, alone.

[jiimbergin]

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Well, there are also those who send in 80K and get back 20K, if that. Black men, out of various possible groups, get one of the shortest ends of the stick. They work most of their lives, sometimes paying in more in FICA (Social Security) than in income tax (especially when you consider the employer's matching "contribution"), only to die, on average, not long after they retire.

Sure (even given that some pay in more than they get) the numbers don't add up. But that's not a big deal. If we stopped all Federal programs that were not self-funding, we wouldn't have much of a Federal government left (hmmm ... I should think about that possibility further.)

Black male expectation of life is about 8 years less than a white male at birth, but at 65, the difference is only about 2 years so the black male at retirement still has an expected life span of another 15 years or so while a white males is about 17 years or so.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Black male expectation of life is about 8 years less than a white male at birth, but at 65, the difference is only about 2 years so the black male at retirement still has an expected life span of another 15 years or so while a white males is about 17 years or so.

Thanks for introducing some facts into this ...

[Thailandnotes]

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.

There is a good, but long clip of Bill Moyers paying tribute to Howard Zinn at B.U.'s alumni weekend about a week ago.


Video: http://www.bu.edu/buniverse/view/?v=20ZaW9PO

Transcript: http://www.truth-out.org/bill-moyers...hts-dirty64766

[Thailandnotes]

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Pat Paulsen speaks out on Social Security.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4kWLUnorTU

[DSpencer]

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So, let this Republican spell-out his plan, not just for gold, but for cutting spending, hiking taxes, and paying the bills for the deficits. And naturally, Ron Paul is silent.

Are you just ignorant of the facts or do you just troll message boards looking for a chance to smear people with nonsense?

Ron Paul is silent on cutting spending and paying the bills for the deficits? This could not be further from the truth. The man has written books explaining his plan, run for president numerous times campaigning his plan, he writes articles online about it, he gives regular interviews about it.

The only part that's even remotely true is that he doesn't promote "hiking taxes"...because that is insanity, but he surely doesn't remain silent on tax issues.

If you disagree with his positions then fine, but don't just spew your factually inaccurate nonsense all over the place.

[DSpencer]

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We need more than cutting even defence-spending. We need tax INCREASES, galore. And this Ron Paul needs to spell-out the tax increases that Americans are going to have to endure.

Then on top of all this, the American system of for-profit healthcare has to be dis-mantled, and socialized-medicine has to be instituted. So, there have to be tax increases just to pay for that reform, alone.

So Ron Paul needs to spell-out the tax increases that he consistently and vehemently opposes? And he needs to do this because the tax increases are necessary to pay for socialized medicine which he also consistently and vehemently opposes?

Also, I thought socialized medicine was supposed to save money? At least you managed to get one thing right.

[rabot10]

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Well, there are also those who send in 80K and get back 20K, if that. Black men, out of various possible groups, get one of the shortest ends of the stick. They work most of their lives, sometimes paying in more in FICA (Social Security) than in income tax (especially when you consider the employer's matching "contribution"), only to die, on average, not long after they retire.

Sure (even given that some pay in more than they get) the numbers don't add up. But that's not a big deal. If we stopped all Federal programs that were not self-funding, we wouldn't have much of a Federal government left (hmmm ... I should think about that possibility further.)

Cow I have always thought that you were one smart guy/girl. Now I would have to say one smart retard- what R U thinking? R U really that stupid? Do you understrand 2+2? Does it = 4?
OMG what an IDIOT

[ThePythonicCow]

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Cow I have always thought that you were one smart guy/girl. Now I would have to say one smart retard- what R U thinking? R U really that stupid? Do you understrand 2+2? Does it = 4?
OMG what an IDIOT

Nice rant -- and I can confirm that I am dumber than a beheaded cow, because the only error I see in the comment of mine you quoted was the one that jiimbergin pointed out a few posts above.

It might not be possible to teach a beheaded cow much ... but give it a go if you like and explain what else was so dumb in my comment.

(I can still count to 4, if that helps, using my 4 hooves.)

[Starving Steve]

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Are you just ignorant of the facts or do you just troll message boards looking for a chance to smear people with nonsense?

Ron Paul is silent on cutting spending and paying the bills for the deficits? This could not be further from the truth. The man has written books explaining his plan, run for president numerous times campaigning his plan, he writes articles online about it, he gives regular interviews about it.

The only part that's even remotely true is that he doesn't promote "hiking taxes"...because that is insanity, but he surely doesn't remain silent on tax issues.

If you disagree with his positions then fine, but don't just spew your factually inaccurate nonsense all over the place.

Without HIKING taxes, the deficits are NOT going to be paid-down. To dig-out of this debt-hole, you do the exact OPPOSITE of what you did to get into this debt-hole. Since reducing taxes is no small part of the reason why America is in this debt-hole, HIKING taxes is the plan to dig-out of the debt-hole.

And Ron Paul won't hear of it.

Canada dug-out of its debt-hole by HIKING TAXES and by CUTTING SPENDING, BOTH. And that is the medicine for the United States to take now. That is how you run a small business: you raise revenues and cut spending, both, at the same time.... And get that message to your Republican friends down in Texas, including Ron Paul.

[Starving Steve]

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So Ron Paul needs to spell-out the tax increases that he consistently and vehemently opposes? And he needs to do this because the tax increases are necessary to pay for socialized medicine which he also consistently and vehemently opposes?

Also, I thought socialized medicine was supposed to save money? At least you managed to get one thing right.

The biggest killers of small business in America are: health insurance costs ( thanks to the for-profit private health insurance industry ) and debt.

I closed my coin shop in Colorado, not because it wasn't profitable, but because my healthcare insurance costs were growing faster than my gross revenue stream grew in business. My health insurance costs were the killer.

You Republicans need to come out of your dreamland. Supply-side economics does NOT work, and for-profit private healthcare does NOT work. Debt and for-profit private healthcare are business killers.

[Ghent12]

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The biggest killers of small business in America are: health insurance costs ( thanks to the for-profit private health insurance industry ) and debt.

I closed my coin shop in Colorado, not because it wasn't profitable, but because my healthcare insurance costs were growing faster than my gross revenue stream grew in business. My health insurance costs were the killer.

You Republicans need to come out of your dreamland. Supply-side economics does NOT work, and for-profit private healthcare does NOT work. Debt and for-profit private healthcare are business killers.

"For-profit" anything works just fine in filling the needs of people in a general sense--are "for-profit" clothing manufacturers causing shortages in clothing? The problem is that we have too much corporatism in the health insurance industry. The health insurance industry grew to monstrous proportions slowly over decades because employers had the choice to give employees tax-free health benefits or taxed wages. Generations of bad tax policy have created this monster, not the profit motive.

Do you know what the Obama healthcare plan will do? It will feed the beast, more than anything. Imagine you are selling a product that people need to live--food, water, shelter, clothing, medicine, healthcare, transportation, etc. Now imagine that the government gives you half a century of extraordinarily favorable tax policy. Now imagine that, in order to "make" your product to be readily available to all, the government forces the people to buy your product as a condition of simply living. The only two likely outcomes are that you either go out of business because producing the product to government specifications proves too costly or political action is enacted to take over your business because you are "gouging" your customers.