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    The housing market is going to experience some serious pangs of withdrawal in 2011. With a mixed government we can rest assured that there will be more pressure on doing very little to stop the bleeding in the housing market. The banks will get their share as usual, but for the folks losing their homes and squatting I’m not sure if 2011 is going to be their year. To preserve the banking industry, the Federal Reserve has jumped into the abyss head first by announcing some $600 billion of money printing part two. They don’t call it money printing since they are basically giving banks incredible liquidity to gamble again in the stock market and stocks are responding with great joy. But what does that mean for the poor Joe and Jane on Main Street who have a $2,000 mortgage and have lost their income? Not much and that is why the foreclosure rate is still near peak levels and shows no signs of abatement. Given the current trends and political winds, it is likely that real estate prices will experience a 10 to 15 percent drop nationwide (certainly in California) by the end of 2011. Let us examine 7 charts carefully to see why this case is likely.

    Chart #1 – Post-tax credit blues


    The tax credit euphoria is now over. Enough people were sitting on the fence perched like pigeons waiting for a crumb to hit the ground. When the tax credit was announced, this was enough to get people to buy. Yet this wasn’t based on sound economic fundamentals. This is like running into an AA meeting and announcing you have free liquor for anyone outside. Many will resist but some won’t. As the chart above clearly indicates, some took the bait and now the excitement has worn off. The toxic mortgage juice is gone but a free giveaway is always a method of churning up demand. Yet with the new Congress and anger at bailouts (surveys found that most Americans are largely mad at banks and Wall Street) do you envision more bailouts coming in the pipeline?

    Chart #2 – Home prices still too high

    Adjusting for inflation and looking at the longer-term, home prices are still too high even on a nationwide basis. This is hard for many to believe because they are hypnotized by the fact that mortgage rates are in the 4 percent range. That is great but that is costing us over $2 trillion in Federal Reserve gimmicks that are putting the health of the U.S. dollar at risk. This isn’t some kind of hidden agenda. The Fed openly talks about this! They want to create inflation (aka deflate the dollar) and somehow inflate our economy out of debt by guess what, more debt! Japan has already tried this story and it didn’t exactly work as planned.

    What people also forget about the above is that as home prices moved lower, so have incomes. This race to the bottom is not healthy. Long-term mortgage rates hover in the 8 to 9 percent range if we look at 40+ years of data. In other words, even reverting back to the mean would create a doubling of mortgage payments for future buyers. So who are you going to sell your home to in 5 to 7 years? Sure you can take on a 4.5 percent interest rate today but are you certain someone in 2017 can? Unless you plan on staying put for a decade, buying a home today is speculation. Just looking at the above, home prices have at least a 10 to 15 percent correction coming.

    Chart #3 – Save less and spend more

    Source: Lending Tree

    The above chart pretty much encapsulates the last 30 years of our economy. Save less and spend more. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or central banker to figure out that if you spend more than you earn, you will have problems. Now recently, the saving rate has trended up but this is because people fear the Wall Street casino and have put money back into savings accounts. Also, access to credit has been cut for millions of Americans so many actually have to save to buy things. This applies to virtually everyone except the politically connected banks who have the Fed that can magically print $600 billion for them. Where is your slice of that buy? The above model is unsustainable and those thinking we’ll be back to it just don’t look at what is currently happening in the market.

    Chart #4 – Investors and homeowners underwater


    Source: CoreLogic

    This is an excellent chart because it highlights a misconception in the market. You would assume as an “investor” you would have a better sense of measuring a value of a home. Yet with the HGTV and home flipping trance, many thought that all it took to turn a $100,000 profit on a flip was some stucco and Ikea furniture. With easy financing, everyone with the desire to do this had the ability to go all out. The above chart shows that those investors are more underwater than regular homeowners in today’s market. The above chart is for the shadow inventory which shows us we have a pipeline of homes gearing up to come online. And guess what? Foreclosures sell for less. In other words, a 10 to 15 percent decline is very likely.

    Chart #5 – With no juice delinquency has shot back up


    For those who thought the market was standing on its own two feet the above chart says it all. Remove the tax-credit, HAMP, artificially low mortgage rates, and other short-term bandages and the problems reemerge. I know the real estate industry would like to bring tax credits back even though they are obviously an expensive waste of taxpayer money but that isn’t likely to happen. And even if it does somehow come back, all it will do is prolong the inevitable. Ultimately higher paying jobs is what will get the housing market back on its feet or maintain current home values. Did we hear any realistic plans about creating jobs from either of the parties this year? In fact, some argued we should rid ourselves of the minimum wage! That sure sounds like a wage growth strategy. Income growth is going in the opposite direction as wealth is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

    Income inequality is at its highest level since the Great Depression. This is a fact. How many vacant or underwater homes can a banking executive purchase? I doubt that they will be eating up the entire excess inventory in the market unless they find it in the Hamptons.

    Chart #6 – Banks don’t trust you



    This chart shows how banks feel about you. Banks are willing to doll out taxpayer backed mortgages in Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and FHA insured loans yet they will not touch their precious load of dough. Losses are raging in these three which now make up over 95 percent of the entire mortgage market. If these government backed loan mills relaxed standards and went option ARM like, you can bet on it that banks will flood the system with loans to anyone yet again. They don’t care about long-term sustainability. As the options of crap they can doll out limit and as the losses mount, there are fewer options to finance a home if you don’t have the income. And right now, many Americans are dealing with the worst economy in a generation. Until that changes, we can expect home prices to move lower.

    Chart #7 – End of consumer debt?


    We’ve reached peak debt. It is unlikely that we will be allowed to take out $50,000 in zero percent credit card debt, finance a BMW with zero percent for 7 years, and buy a $750,000 home on an option ARM all on an income of $100,000 in the next few years. Those days are over. The Fed ironically is trying to re-create that environment. But you can’t create an environment full of grift and embezzlement unless you want to deal with the ramifications. The housing bubble was a criminal enterprise. Forget all these theories and economic models trying to explain it away and dilute blame, the housing bubble needs to have some serious RICO investigations. It was a sophisticated and complicated money laundering operation.

    The banks robbed the taxpayers and just look at the home prices above. The purpose is rather clear. Home prices will decline further in 2011 but the question is by how much. 10 to 15 percent seems to be a reasonable expectation given the headwinds we are facing with foreclosures, jobs, and the deleveraging of debt. Now that the too big to fail have sunk their fangs into the taxpayer wallet and are guaranteed not to fail, they’ll be more open to dumping homes on the market at fire sale prices.

    http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/7...using-in-2011/

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    Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

    Of the more than 4,200 Marin County jobs lost in the year ending in March 2010, nearly two-thirds were concentrated in construction, real estate and financial activities, according to newly released data from the state Employment Development Department.

    The data, which does not include the self-employed, shows the extent to which real estate-related jobs continued to dissolve even this year , well after the initial real estate crash and the official end of the recession.

    http://www.marinij.com/business/ci_1...ce=most_viewed

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      Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

      No where near over... Lets wait and see what happens when interest rates not only revert to the mean but also test the extremes like we did in the 80's..... Reverting to the mean and staying there is a pipe dream... Cheap money has a way of becoming expensive when you least want it to... And when interest rates bounce up like an underwater beach ball (due to FED tampering) and smacks us in the face, everyone is gonna be crying....

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        Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
        No where near over... Lets wait and see what happens when interest rates not only revert to the mean but also test the extremes like we did in the 80's..... Reverting to the mean and staying there is a pipe dream... Cheap money has a way of becoming expensive when you least want it to... And when interest rates bounce up like an underwater beach ball (due to FED tampering) and smacks us in the face, everyone is gonna be crying....
        The question is, how will house prices perform relative to inflation? Would there be a better place to store wealth? If I can purchase a house at 10:1 leverage through a period of moderately high inflation, I may just come out ahead. Or would the weakness in the housing markets outweigh the effects of using cheaper dollars to pay the mortgage. Thoughts?

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          Originally posted by Munger View Post
          The question is, how will house prices perform relative to inflation? Would there be a better place to store wealth? If I can purchase a house at 10:1 leverage through a period of moderately high inflation, I may just come out ahead. Or would the weakness in the housing markets outweigh the effects of using cheaper dollars to pay the mortgage. Thoughts?
          First off i dont have a crystal ball I can do math though, and no amount of hopium can change that.... But, if we go on the premise of a poorer population due to globalization and the lack of labor pricing power (which helped during the 70's and could be a major difference between then and now; we were the major industrial power), aging population trying to retire and downgrade their homes, high interest rates and a previous bubble.... I have yet to see in history a bubble product inflate to previous peak within the 10-20 years of when it popped... I believe house prices will lag inflation.

          Obviously if you buy a house with a 500.00 payment at 3.5% then it should be allright, bc the payment is low and the interest is just cheap money... But, dont expect to make out like a bandit when you sell. Taking inflation into account i think housing will lose money. Why? Bc at its core its housing depends on incomes and i dont think incomes will rise in pace with inflation; or at least for the majority. Incomes world wide really need to equalize... An engineer in asia will begin to ask for the higher lifestyle of his american/european counterpart (and with a cheap dollar and higher asian currencies they will get it) for doing the same exact job....

          Big picture (and this is nothing new, these have been skyrocketing for years; ags for the last two years) i would invest in gold, oil, silver, agriculture... Housing is so 2000's Would you go to a field after a swarm of locusts have just picked it clean? Well, bankers just picked americans and their homes clean; move along to greener pastures ....

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            Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

            Bingo. It all comes back to income. In addition to the negative effect of globalization on American incomes, we are also seeing a negative demographic effect. Both private and public compensation programs in America today are far less generous to the new worker, whether it is in the real spending power of the minimum wage, the level of employee contributions for healthcare or the absence of defined benefit pensions for anybody under 55. At the same time, today's young worker is contributing 7.5% of wages for SS and Medicare, compared to under 3% when his parents were his age. Add to this the now non-dischargeable mountain of student loans (in the aggregate larger than the entire U.S. revolving credit card debt) and you have a perfect storm of falling real income for the Millenials, Gen X and Gen Y crowd. Globalization has created a declining "cap" on the aggregate compensation that U.S. companies can afford to pay and still make a profit in the global marketplace. Demographics, in which Boomers get to distribute that compensation unequally through all of the above mechanisms, is impoverishing our children on a massive scale.

            You think I am overstating this issue? Just look at the last 24 hour new cycle. Repubs, fresh from their midterm victory, are demanding $100 billion of cuts in government spending. Whose jobs will those be? Last hired first fired, my friends. They are also demanding that we continue to tax Boomers at the lowest marginal rates in modern history (35%), lower than Reagan's rates (50%), lower than Kennedy/Johnson (70%) and lower than Eisenhower (90%). The math doesn't lie: the spending cuts are paltry compared to the revenue lost. But notice how the math is applied: Rich Boomers avoid paying for today's government services, poor young people are given pink slips AND the treasury notes to repay when they are finally in charge.

            This is no different than Dad and Mom laying you off as a cook in thier restaurant and taking a long vacation with a reverse mortgage on the family home. You're sitting there unemployed and growing deeper in debt. There was a song I remember with just those words --- sung by slaves. And I've never known a society that has become wealthy selling its housing stock to those without any money or income.

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              Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
              And when interest rates bounce up like an underwater beach ball (due to FED tampering) and smacks us in the face, everyone is gonna be crying....
              ... everyone will be crying except those sitting on a few Trillion in cash and short term T-Bills, who will get to purchase some newly issued long bonds from the U.S. Treasury at FIRE sale prices.
              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

                Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
                First off i dont have a crystal ball I can do math though, and no amount of hopium can change that.... But, if we go on the premise of a poorer population due to globalization and the lack of labor pricing power (which helped during the 70's and could be a major difference between then and now; we were the major industrial power), aging population trying to retire and downgrade their homes, high interest rates and a previous bubble.... I have yet to see in history a bubble product inflate to previous peak within the 10-20 years of when it popped... I believe house prices will lag inflation.

                Obviously if you buy a house with a 500.00 payment at 3.5% then it should be allright, bc the payment is low and the interest is just cheap money... But, dont expect to make out like a bandit when you sell. Taking inflation into account i think housing will lose money. Why? Bc at its core its housing depends on incomes and i dont think incomes will rise in pace with inflation; or at least for the majority. Incomes world wide really need to equalize... An engineer in asia will begin to ask for the higher lifestyle of his american/european counterpart (and with a cheap dollar and higher asian currencies they will get it) for doing the same exact job....

                Big picture (and this is nothing new, these have been skyrocketing for years; ags for the last two years) i would invest in gold, oil, silver, agriculture... Housing is so 2000's Would you go to a field after a swarm of locusts have just picked it clean? Well, bankers just picked americans and their homes clean; move along to greener pastures ....
                Income is key. Another factor is the size of American homes built during the boom. They are too big for the market now that people can't justify them like they used to when they thought prices would only go up. Rising energy costs will drive another nail in the coffin of housing.
                I see McMansion values continuing to drop. More modest homes may fare better.

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                  Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

                  Originally posted by Munger View Post
                  The question is, how will house prices perform relative to inflation? Would there be a better place to store wealth? If I can purchase a house at 10:1 leverage through a period of moderately high inflation, I may just come out ahead. Or would the weakness in the housing markets outweigh the effects of using cheaper dollars to pay the mortgage. Thoughts?
                  Housing has always struck me as a lousy place to have money tied up. It's illiquid, has high transaction costs, has high holding costs [taxes, maintenance, etc] and is completely non-portable so makes a good tax and "rent controls" target for money and vote hungry local politicians.

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                    I am so glad we opted out of the Homeowner class for the past few year. Although, there are moments of self doubt and panic attacks. But, then i reflect on time spent with my family - that would have been spent on home repairs and trimming the lawn.
                    There are probably some real estate markets that taking advantage of the cheap money and leverage would reward you. Sadly, I live on the East Coast where prices are still elevated and the Property Tax rates are rising steadily with inflation.

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                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      Housing ... is completely non-portable so makes a good tax
                      ... except for trailers
                      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                        Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                        ... except for trailers
                        Alex Rogan: ...Uhm, we live in a mobile home. That's a cave that ... that goes places. Only we never went anyplace.

                        Grig: A mobile cave that never went anywhere. Fascinating.

                        Last starfighter.jpg

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                          Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          Housing has always struck me as a lousy place to have money tied up. It's illiquid, has high transaction costs, has high holding costs [taxes, maintenance, etc] and is completely non-portable so makes a good tax and "rent controls" target for money and vote hungry local politicians.
                          I agree completely that it's a lousy place to keep money tied up. My thinking is, 5% down at ~4% interest seems like a decent play in the case of moderate inflation. Plus, it's a place to live. And fairly tired of renting. I do think we are in for declines at least for the next year or two tho.

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                            Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

                            Originally posted by Munger View Post
                            I agree completely that it's a lousy place to keep money tied up. My thinking is, 5% down at ~4% interest seems like a decent play in the case of moderate inflation. Plus, it's a place to live. And fairly tired of renting. I do think we are in for declines at least for the next year or two tho.
                            Munger- Curious why you're tired of renting. We've been renting a sf house for 9 years- way past the time we imagined we'd rent for. (Initially we thought a one-year lease might be too long ) We stood on the sidelines, watching the bubble grow and our savings ZIRP away. Now I periodically line up the pro and cons on getting back into home ownership. I know you're a well-grounded 'tuliper. What's your list like?

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                              Re: Bringing It All Back Home: RE Correction 2.0

                              We've been renting a sf house for 9 years
                              For maximum efficiency of money spent on shelter, may I suggest renting the land and owning the home. This is more commonly described as buying a trailer and renting a lot in a mobile home park.

                              It used to be I was reluctant to associate with the riff-raff in such parks. Now it seems that one of (1) the quality of people in trailer parks has increased, or (2) my standards have decreased, or (3) there really was no difference to begin with. Just folks, mostly good and honest folks, a few not (except perhaps in the upper corporate management of hot companies and in the political offices in our nations capital, where it is more than a few.)
                              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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