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    The Tea Party Illusion

    Dems Lose Big, but it was to Establishment Republicans and the Religious Right

    The Tea Party is claiming credit for the Republican trouncing of the Democrats last night, but the Tea Party wave is just an illusion. This victory was by—and for—the theo-free-marketeers who have long controlled the GOP in the service of a “Christian nation” that boasts pro-big business legislation and policy.

    With the GOP re-taking control of the House, and Mike Pence (another of those Tea Party-supporting Republicans who has always said, “I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order”) eyeing 2012, Minnesota’s Michele Bachmann (who long ago declared herself a “fool for Christ”) is making noise about running for his leadership position. Bachmann, who jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon early but whose roots are “Christian nation” through and through, is proposing closed-door lessons on the Constitution for members of Congress. As she told the Values Voters Summit in September, the rights enumerated in the Constitution come from God. That may be a claim made by the Tea Party, but the religious right got there first. The Tea Party’s take on it is entirely derivative.

    One of Us”

    The American Center for Law and Justice’s Jordan Sekulow, a conservative evangelical and Republican activist who touts Tea Party victories, tweeted on election night that Rand Paul’s victory in Kentucky was one for “constitutional conservatives” because “he is one of us”—meaning one of those people who believes the Constitution was a divinely-inspired document and that government shouldn’t legislate rights beyond what (they think) God intended people to have.

    Is Paul an anti-authority, secular libertarian who just hates “big government” and taxes? Fifty percent of Kentucky voters told exit pollsters that they are white evangelical Christians (the only other available response, to exit polls in Kentucky and several other states, was “all other people”), and 68% of them voted for him, despite his professed affection for the atheist Ayn Rand.

    South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint—whose party still faces minority status in the Senate, albeit with a closer margin—claimed to buck GOP leadership by supporting candidates like Paul in the primaries. He tapped into Christian Reconstructionist mailing lists to raise money for Sharron Angle, who, with 44% of Nevada voters calling her “too conservative” in exit polls, lost to Senate majority leader Harry Reid. Now DeMint is supposedly the thorn in minority leader Mitch McConnell’s side, a task he takes on proudly with Paul and Florida’s new Senator, Marco Rubio, who is a favorite with social conservatives and signed on with Christian nation mythologist David Barton.

    DeMint, of course, is one of those Republicans who is very much a Washington insider but disingenuously claims (for Tea Party-cred) to be a renegade fighting it from the outside. But DeMint is a religious right hero first. DeMint thinks that gay people and single mothers shouldn’t teach in public schools; then again, he also believes that “a nation that raises its children in government schools cannot expect its people to stand for the principles of freedom.” He contends (speaking of, yes, education) that the Great Awakening inspired the American Revolution. His attacks on President Obama and his alleged “socialism” pre-date the Tea Party mania, and focused, earlier, on accusations that he was declaring “war on prayer.” DeMint is no secular libertarian, as many characterize the driving force of the Tea Party; he is a hardcore theocrat who believes less regulation will let God’s chosen business people make big money in the Christian nation.

    Tea Party or “Christian Worldview”?

    It was at an event sponsored by the CEO Roundtable of South Carolina last month that DeMint proposed his litmus test for public school teachers. CEO doesn’t stand for chief executive officer—it stands for Christian Executive Organization, its president, Josh Kimbrell, told me in an interview shortly afterwards. Kimbrell, a banker by training who called DeMint “my dear friend,” said his organization was not a Tea Party group (although he supports the Tea Party), but rather a “Christian worldview” organization that brings together business leaders and pastors (including Kimbrell’s own pastor, Frank Page, a one-time president of the Southern Baptist Convention and now the head of its executive committee, and one of President Obama’s first appointees to the Advisory Council to his Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships).

    The country “cannot be successful without a fundamental Judeo-Christian framework,” said Kimbrell, lamenting that the government “has not been guided by Judeo-Christian principles.” Business leaders understand, he said, that those principles help build “strong markets.” That’s not just about the stated Tea Party goals of shrinking the government’s regulatory and taxation powers to zero, or gumming up the legislative process so nothing gets done.

    Kimbrell, whose home state of South Carolina is an early primary state, is hoping that the GOP presidential hopefuls will pay visits to his organization of Christian executives. First stop for them, though, will be Iowa—where voters, spurred by a massive get out the vote drive by religious right groups, just ousted three judges who voted to legalize gay marriage; an effort those same groups vow is the start of a nationwide assault on LGBT rights. Second stop: New Hampshire, where Kelly Ayotte, thought to be a Tea Party favorite, won her Senate race last night. As her state’s attorney general, Ayotte defended an anti-abortion law that was intended to be a test case for Roe v. Wade. The law was eventually repealed by the New Hampshire legislature, but is indicative of Ayotte’s views, like her opposition to gay marriage, being aligned with the religious right.

    If the Tea Party was serious about throwing out the “establishment,” it would be tossing its religious right allies right along with those “tyrannical” Democrats it so despises. The religious right, along with business interests, is one of the most entrenched and politically organized forces radiating from inside the beltway. The new Tea Partiers set to come to Washington aren’t avoiding challenging the religious right just because they need it to form a coalition—they are it.

    http://www.religiondispatches.org/ar...arty_illusion/

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    The country “cannot be successful without a fundamental Judeo-Christian framework,” said Kimbrell, lamenting that the government “has not been guided by Judeo-Christian principles.” Business leaders understand, he said, that those principles help build “strong markets.”
    I'd love to see a detailed scenario of how strict Christian principals can be broadly at work in the corporate workplace and market trade.

    "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves" Matthew 21:12

    "You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at a profit."Leviticus 25:37

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      This victory was by—and for—the theo-free-marketeers who have long controlled the GOP in the service of a “Christian nation” that boasts pro-big business legislation and policy.
      You can either support a free market or you can be pro/anti-big business, but you can't be both. The author appears to have misidentified this or is purposefully stating a contradictory statement for effect. Since the article is an anti-"Religious Right" rant, I'm guessing the author is ignorant of the distinction between free markets and corporate welfare.

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        Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
        I'd love to see a detailed scenario of how strict Christian principals can be broadly at work in the corporate workplace and market trade.

        "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves" Matthew 21:12

        "You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at a profit."Leviticus 25:37
        you really should quote more than 1 verse, for example here is Leviticus 25:30-40

        If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so they can continue to live among you. 36 Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. 37 You must not lend them money at interest or sell them food at a profit. 38 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.

        If you notice the quote was for the poor, not people like itulipers.

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          More to the point, how much of the recent politically-active Christian movement has rolled into the Tea Party?

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            Originally posted by don View Post
            More to the point, how much of the recent politically-active Christian movement has rolled into the Tea Party?
            Remember the loud protester from the "tea-party" who protested Obama's most modest health reform package? And her loud remark to Obama was something like: "They are going to kill your grandma with Obamacare."

            So don't tell me, even for one instance, that the religious-right from the Bible Belt is not in the tea-party movement.

            Funny how the religious-right in America ( which claims to be pro-life ) has opposed giving kids full healthcare benefits and extending Medicare to everyone, regardless of pre-existing conditions or age. The religious-right in Texas has also supported executions, even hangings.

            The gulag (of 2.2 million prisoners) in America was constructed, in part, to pander to the religious-right. Nation-building adventures in the Middle East didn't happen by accident. (Nothing was learned from America's mis-adventure into Vietnam.) The drug war was part of the agenda of the religious-right--- and hardly any war that a liberal or libertarian could support.

            To see how the religious-right welcomes immigrants, one might review the recent politics of Gov. Ann Brewer in Arizona.

            The public schools in America offer a curriculum that was designed by the religious-right. As always, the religious-right claims to know nothing about what you are talking about, and in fact, in U.S. history, "the know-nothings" were the nickname for the religious-right and the KKK in the South.
            Last edited by Starving Steve; November 04, 2010, 09:32 PM.

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              The idea that the religious right stands in any way for liberty is laughable on it's face:

              http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/09/0083101

              Every year, right before Uganda’s Independence Day, the government holds a National Prayer Breakfast modeled on the Family’s event in Washington. Americans, among them Republican Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, former attorney general John Ashcroft—both longtime Family men and outspoken antigay activists—and Pastor Rick Warren, are a frequent attraction at the Ugandan Fellowship’s weekly meetings. “He said homosexuality is a sin and that we should fight it,” Bahati recalled of Warren’s visits.
              Inhofe and Warren, like most American fundamentalists, came out in muted opposition to Uganda’s gay death penalty, but they didn’t dispute the motive behind it: the eradication of homosexuality. They may disagree on the means, favoring a “cure” rather than killing, but not the ends. For years, American fundamentalists have looked on Uganda as a laboratory for theo- cracy, though most prefer such terms as “government led by God.” They sent not just money and missionaries but ideas, and if the money disappeared and the missionaries came and went, the ideas took hold. Ugandan evangelicals sing American songs and listen to sermons about American problems, often from American preachers. Ugandan politicians attend prayer breakfasts in America and cut deals with evangelical American businessmen. American evangelicals, in turn, hold up Ugandan congregations as role models for their own, and point to Ugandan AIDS policy—from which American evangelicals nearly stripped condom distribution altogether—as proof that public-health problems can be solved by moral remedies. It is a classic fundamentalist maneuver: move a fight you can’t win in the center to the margins, then broadcast the results back home."

              Here's the counter example:

              The pastor of a megachurch in Conyers, Ga., told his congregation last week that he’s gay, saying that while he knows his announcement might ruin his career, the recent rash of suicides pushed him to speak out. Jim Swilley, 52, founded Rockdale County’s Church in the Now 25 years ago. His wife, Debye, was the associate pastor, and together they had four children.

              Swilley says he’s known that he’s gay since he was a boy, and his wife knew when they got married. Jim and Debye are now divorced, but they kept his secret for more than 21 years.
              ..............
              “As a father, thinking about your 16-, 17-year-old killing themselves, I thought somebody needed to say something,” he told WSB TV in Atlanta. “I know all the hateful stuff that’s being written about me online, whatever. To think about saving a teenager, yeah, I'll risk my reputation for that.”

              http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...rce=feedburner

              It's just a question of basic human decency.

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                simple ...

                in the corporate workplace, money is god ... all else must be cast out, IOW one must

                "cast out all them that DON't sell and buy in the temple, and overthrow the tables of all BUT the moneychangers ..."
                Matthew Inc., mission statement.

                "You must lend him money at interest and sell him food at a ruinous profit." Leviticus LLC, corporate manual of ethics.

                Only half kidding, BTW: I once spoke with an anthropologist who said "the tallest cathedrals were always to the most influential churches, what the laypeople called the most powerful gods, and the tallest `churches` today are the bank office towers. "
                Last edited by Spartacus; November 04, 2010, 10:45 PM.

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                  Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                  ... and the tallest `churches` today are the bank office towers. "
                  but, but my priest told me that this
                  was the tallest building in Manhattan:
                  Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                    Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                    but, but my priest told me that this
                    was the tallest building in Manhattan:


                    St. Patrick's Catholic Cathedral
                    Manhattan, New York


                    Only if you stay within the premises....

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