Wikileaks releases 390K plus classified documents on Iraq war

[DToM67]

Wikileaks Iraq War Diaries

Aljazeera English leapt ahead of the claimed release schedule. Info. right off the top, as I read it is that some 66K civilians recognized as killed, out of 285K total. More evidence that torture was commonplace.

[tsetsefly]

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Wikileaks Iraq War Diaries

Aljazeera English leapt ahead of the claimed release schedule. Info. right off the top, as I read it is that some 66K civilians recognized as killed, out of 285K total. More evidence that torture was commonplace.

anything new on the pre war plans?

btw how did they get hold of these documents?

It will be interesting to see how Obama responds to this seeings as how he had promised a more transparent governmnet and that obviously hasn't happened ...

[dbarberic]

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I don't believe it. I call psy-ops. Wiki-leaks has some strange characters associated with it, along with very “unusual” funding. With military spending 5x all other countries, we could stop this if we wanted to. Who benefits? Who is manipulating who? What’s the goal?

If your game... spend some time on http://cryptome.org/ researching wiki-leaks.

It's not "independent free media" as it is being made out to be.

[Ghent12]

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I don't believe it. I call psy-ops. Wiki-leaks has some strange characters associated with it, along with very “unusual” funding. With military spending 5x all other countries, we could stop this if we wanted to. Who benefits? Who is manipulating who? What’s the goal?

If your game... spend some time on http://cryptome.org/ researching wiki-leaks.

It's not "independent free media" as it is being made out to be.

I wouldn't be so sure. There are more people with Top Secret clearance now than there are in the entire Navy (active, reserve, and civilian). The number of clearances and intelligence personnel has grown absurdly large in the past few years and it should come as no surprise that as the number of people with clearances grows, so does the potential for leaks.

[swgprop]

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I wouldn't be so sure. There are more people with Top Secret clearance now than there are in the entire Navy (active, reserve, and civilian). The number of clearances and intelligence personnel has grown absurdly large in the past few years and it should come as no surprise that as the number of people with clearances grows, so does the potential for leaks.

That and the fact that the information is all stored in digital format. No longer necessary to have a mole make copies of hard documents e.g. Ellsberg's Pentagon papers.

[touhy]

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My take-home from the release (and no doubt not what Wikileaks would hope):

(1) Lancet study was horse-shit, completely over estimating civilian casualities (but everybody not blinkered knew this)

(2) Weapons of mass destruction were found.

[DToM67]

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My take-home from the release (and no doubt not what Wikileaks would hope):

(1) Lancet study was horse-shit, completely over estimating civilian casualities (but everybody not blinkered knew this)

(2) Weapons of mass destruction were found.

Care to link to supporting document/s for assertion (2)?

[bpr]

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Care to link to supporting document/s for assertion (2)?

History is being erased and rewritten as we speak.

Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.
In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.
Three months later, in northern Iraq, U.S. scouts went to look in on a “chemical weapons” complex. “One of the bunkers has been tampered with,” they write. “The integrity of the seal [around the complex] appears intact, but it seems someone is interesting in trying to get into the bunkers.”

Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...#ixzz13LXQKf5N

[ThePythonicCow]

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History is being erased and rewritten as we speak.

Are you saying that History shows there were weapons of mass destruction, and that now history is being rewritten to say there weren't ... or vice versa?

I read your example of remnants of Saddam's toxic arsenal as saying that there were remnants ... but nothing like the great threat to humankind that the pre-war buildup suggested as proper motivation for such an invasion.

If the Bureau of Tobacco and Firearms decides to take me down and trumps up some charges that I have a private arsenal of RPG's, automatic weapons and plastic explosives making me a menace to my community, then finds only a few kitchen knives and some matches when they raid my Texas trailer, I'm going to figure they lied, big time .. not that it will do me much good.

[DToM67]

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IIRC we were supposed to find these:



So... did they finally find them?

[ThePythonicCow]

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IIRC We were supposed to find these

That's what I recall as well.

I don't recall us ever finding them, however.

It seems that most of the destructive weapons in Iraq were paid for by U.S. taxpayers (should I be expecting an Iraqui citizen to send me a thank-you note?)

[Shakespear]

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DToM67
They was a small problem with the report sent to Rumi from the Iraqi agent. The equipment seen in your photo exists and can be found in Lego Land. You can tell with a naked eye that that is its location.

I think that after the UN presentation Collen Powell had enough of the BS and thus "quit". If one payed attention to the lead-up to this presentation you could sense that there was something wrong behind the curtain.

[DToM67]

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...btw how did they get hold of these documents?

It will be interesting to see how Obama responds to this seeings as how he had promised a more transparent governmnet and that obviously hasn't happened ...

I don't believe it. I call psy-ops.... ...With military spending 5x all other countries, we could stop this if we wanted to. Who benefits? Who is manipulating who? What’s the goal?...

Being that anyone can be 'gotten to', its not beyond the pale that Wikileaks could be compromised - personnel, its data, or both.

If Wikileaks is a credible non-anointed source, then there would be need to compromise them. So... if Wikileaks isn't already infiltrated, one would have to believe that its in the works.

Whose interests are best served if Wikileaks credibility is brought into question?

1. Is Wikileaks legitimate (or has it always been a spook outfit)?
2. If legitimate, has Wikileaks been compromised?
3. Was the recent document leak legit, or filled with planted falsified documents?

The military industrial complex/MSM/bankster/oligarchy is served by all of the above.

[DToM67]

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DToM67... The equipment seen in your photo exists and can be found in Lego Land. You can tell with a naked eye that that is its location.

LOL

I think that after the UN presentation Collen Powell had enough of the BS and thus "quit". If one payed attention to the lead-up to this presentation you could sense that there was something wrong behind the curtain.

I remember that cringe-worthy UN presentation all too well.

[bpr]

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Are you saying that History shows there were weapons of mass destruction, and that now history is being rewritten to say there weren't ... or vice versa?

Yes.




I'm saying that there likely were no WMD, but now these WL docs are redefining the term to include decade-old remnants from prior wars, rather than the mobile WMD labs referenced above.