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    Fed Wants Banks to Buy Back Some Bad Mortgages

    By NELSON D. SCHWARTZ

    To the long list of those picking fights with banks over bad mortgages, add the Federal Reserve.

    Two years after the Fed bought billions of dollars in mortgage securities as part of the financial bailout, its New York arm is questioning the paperwork — and pressing banks to buy some of the investments back.

    The Federal Reserve Bank of New York and several giant investment companies, including Pimco and BlackRock, have singled out Bank of America, which assembled more than $2 trillion of mortgage securities from 2004 to 2008.

    Bank of America is already dealing with the fallout from the fight over whether foreclosures were handled properly. It insists that no foreclosures have been initiated in error, and on Monday announced it would resume the foreclosure process in 23 states where court approval is required to go ahead.

    But while the human toll of the foreclosure crisis has grabbed the headlines, the fight over how these loans were created in the first place could last longer and ultimately cost the banks much, much more. And it is setting the stage for a huge battle between mortgage holders like the government, hedge funds and other institutional investors on one side and the big banks on the other.

    “It’s very serious,” said Glenn Schorr, an analyst with Nomura Securities. “The numbers are all over the map.”

    If the Fed and the investors succeed, it could cost Bank of America billions of dollars. On Wall Street and in bank boardrooms, the question of whether investors can force banks to buy back, or “put-back,” the bad mortgages to the banks that sold them is dominating the debate and worrying analysts, money managers and banking executives.

    It also makes for some strange bedfellows. After all, it was the government that bailed out Bank of America — twice — during the financial crisis, the same government that includes the Fed.

    And it is going to be a fight. On Tuesday, after watching its shares get pummeled again, Bank of America went on the offensive, vowing to “defend the interests of Bank of America shareholders,” and hire more lawyers.

    “It’s loan by loan, and we have the resources to deploy in that kind of review,” said Brian T. Moynihan, Bank of America’s chief executive, on a conference call to discuss the bank’s results for the third quarter.

    Although the bank turned in better results than expected, much of the call was given over to the put-back issue. “We have thousands of people who are willing to stand and look at these loans,” Mr. Moynihan told analysts. “We’d love never to talk about this again and put it behind us, but the right answer is to fight for it.”

    The legal battle turns on the question of whether the banks properly represented the loans they put together into mortgage-backed securities when they sold them to investors. If the banks ignored evidence that the underlying mortgages did not conform to underwriting standards or they lacked the proper paperwork, the banks could be obligated to buy the troubled mortgages back.

    The Federal Reserve Bank of New York and the other large investors are pressing Bank of America to buy back a portion of the $47 billion in mortgages it originated, most of which were assembled by Countrywide Financial just before the real estate boom turned to bust in 2005, 2006 and 2007.

    Countrywide, which specialized in subprime mortgages, was acquired by Bank of America in July 2008.

    “People did not think bondholders would be able to organize themselves, but they can,” said Kathy Patrick, a Houston lawyer who is leading the effort. “It’s a large amount of money but the principle is simple. When you promise to do something in an agreement, you should do it.” A letter from Ms. Patrick detailing the claims was obtained by The New York Times.

    The danger posed by angry — or opportunistic — investors ‘putting-back’ mortgages to the banks is hardly limited to Bank of America. Other giants like Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase face similar claims, and last week JPMorgan set aside $1.3 billion just for legal costs, including put-backs.

    JPMorgan has said it expects repurchases of mortgages to run at about $1 billion a year, but that expense should be covered by $3 billion it has earmarked specifically for put-backs.

    At Bank of America, repurchases have been running at about half a billion dollars a quarter. The bank estimates total put-back claims stand at $12.9 billion, as of Sept. 30. In the third-quarter, Bank of America recorded an $872 million expense for put-backs.

    Besides the major institutions, hedge funds like York Capital and Moore Capital have been jumping into the game recently, buying up bad debt in the hopes it will eventually be bought back, according to traders and money managers. Both funds declined to comment.

    And smaller ones are sniffing around, hoping to ride the depressed securities higher as the fight over put-backs gathers steam.

    “Any hedge fund with a distressed desk is contemplating this trade,” said one analyst who insisted on anonymity. “The idea of bottom-fishing vulture funds buying this stuff up for a nickel on the dollar so they can sue the banks to get 100 cents must be pretty odious for the Treasury, which bailed out the banks in the first place.”

    Indeed, the group that includes the Fed is one of two coalitions that is gearing up for a fight with the banks.

    Bill Frey, chief executive of Greenwich Financial Services, leads a group of investors that holds just under $600 billion worth of mortgage-backed securities.

    But it is the recent controversy over foreclosures that has jump-started interest by pension funds, hedge funds and other players. “In the last two weeks, there has been a flood of new investors,” Mr. Frey said. “We haven’t even had a chance to do the arithmetic, that’s how fast they’re coming in.”

    Besides all the lawyers that billions can buy, the banks have other weapons in their arsenal. Some hedge funds and other investors are nervous about challenging the banks too forcefully, because they trade with them daily.

    There is risk too for the government, despite the Federal Reserve claims. If the banks are indeed forced to spend tens of billions to buy back securities, they could turn once again to the federal government for help.

    Given the legal resources available to the banks, though, that is unlikely to happen quickly. And for now, broader conditions in the financial services are improving. On Wednesday, Bank of America reported that operating earnings in the third quarter hit $3.1 billion, in contrast to a loss a year ago.

    A substantial portion of the profit gain came from the expectation of lower losses among credit card and mortgage borrowers, rather than new business, but the bank was able to recapture money it had earlier set aside. It released $1.8 billion from reserves, compared with a release of $1.45 billion in the second quarter.

    On a noncash basis for the quarter, the bank reported a loss of $7.3 billion because of a $10.4 billion write-down in the value of its credit card unit, attributed to federal regulations that limit debit fees and other charges.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/20/bu...b672fskl9T9HpQ

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    On Tuesday, after watching its shares get pummeled again, Bank of America went on the offensive, vowing to “defend the interests of Bank of America shareholders,” and hire more lawyers.

    “It’s loan by loan, and we have the resources to deploy in that kind of review,” said Brian T. Moynihan, Bank of America’s chief executive...
    That's just bizarre. They wouldn't pay $22 filing fees or $20 / hr clerks to properly process things in the first place, but now they gleefully pay $300/hr lawyers to go over every detail of every loan after it's all gone bad.

    Such poor management deserves to go bust for this last action alone.

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      Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

      They wouldn't pay $22 filing fees
      There was another impediment to their filing the deed in the first place, besides the filing fee.

      With tranched mortgage backed securities, you don't know which security "holds" a given mortgage until you find out, after the fact, which mortgages fail first.

      You have several tranches of securities and a pool of mortgages. The first few mortgages to fail get assigned (when they fail) to the lowest tranch. This continues, until the last mortgages still in good standing get assigned to the highest tranch.

      If the mortgages were assigned to some "pool" awaiting their destiny, then that pool would have risk, and (no longer being just a risk free pass through conduit) would have had to pay taxes on any profits, thus "double taxing" the profits. So the pools were setup as REMIC's, which are pass through conduits with no risk, thus no tax liability on profits passed through. But this meant these "REMIC" pools could not hold the mortgages either. So the mortgages had to hang out in limbo until their individual destiny was determined.

      Your typical county clerks office doesn't understand how to assign a mortgage or deed over to "Mr. or Mrs. To Be Determined Later", and your typical honest notary public doesn't understand how to notarize the signature of the Ghost of Christmas Future (grin).

      So the major Wall Street rating agencies, investment banks, Freddie, Fannie, Ginnie and FHA agreed to abbreviate this fictional limbo holder as Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, Inc. (MERS) and pretend that MERS was a legal entity that was capable of holding mortgages and that had corporate officers who could execute notarized documents, while at the same time telling the IRS that MERS really didn't hold anything, and didn't even have any employees (yes, zero employees!).

      The "signing officers" of MERS were just the ordinary backroom clerks Vice Presidents of the banks and their contracted mortgage processing firms, wearing dual hats. The "notaries public" were just whichever of these clerks happened to have one of the Notary Stamps sitting on their desk.

      P.S. -- The above farce and Karl Denninger's biting sense of humor were just made for each other.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

        Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
        That's just bizarre. They wouldn't pay $22 filing fees or $20 / hr clerks to properly process things in the first place, but now they gleefully pay $300/hr lawyers to go over every detail of every loan after it's all gone bad.

        Such poor management deserves to go bust for this last action alone.
        Poor management with political connections gets bailed out over and over and over again. Chrysler got bailed out in the 1980s. Despite all the plaudits showered upon him by an adoring financial media, the fact is that Lee Iacocca was unable to make the fundamental changes within the organization that were necessary for its long term survival in a rapidly changing, internationally competitive business. The company was [is!] still so bad that even the mighty Daimler couldn't fix the rot within. So our governments have bailed it out again. Does anyone think the organization has learned anything? Does anyone think this is the last time Chrysler will need help?

        I picked Chrysler only to illustrate what has gone so disasterously wrong. What is happening in North America is happening all around the world. Persian Gulf emirates and kingdoms are quietly [as quietly as they can] bailing out their major Islamic banks and investment houses that are failing, for fear that a collapse of any one of them will damage their reputation as a "financial centre". Europe bails out the overlevered EU peripheral nations, all the while denying that Greece, or any of the others, actually needs to use the hastily cobbled together credit facilities. China has poured billions of dollars to recapitalize the overlevered banks and corrupt government resource companies in Central Asia, for fear that otherwise they will have large unstable neighbours threatening the security of their borders and raw material supplies. And on it goes...

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          Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post

          I picked Chrysler only to illustrate what has gone so disasterously wrong. What is happening in North America is happening all around the world. Persian Gulf emirates and kingdoms are quietly [as quietly as they can] bailing out their major Islamic banks and investment houses that are failing, for fear that a collapse of any one of them will damage their reputation as a "financial centre". Europe bails out the overlevered EU peripheral nations, all the while denying that Greece, or any of the others, actually needs to use the hastily cobbled together credit facilities. China has poured billions of dollars to recapitalize the overlevered banks and corrupt government resource companies in Central Asia, for fear that otherwise they will have large unstable neighbours threatening the security of their borders and raw material supplies. And on it goes...
          And the kicker is that this sovereign capital that is being used to backfill the system is not capital at all, but claims on future income/wealth via debt repayment by the populace, primarily through inflation. Unfortunately, when prices are double or triple what they are now in a few short years, few will connect the dots.

          What is your view on Canada with respect to this? Different than the USA or just a big 51st state (no offense intended)? I'm somewhat bullish on Canada given its commodity base and smaller population, and believe the "rule of law" may be better observed, but perhaps this is a delusion?

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            Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

            the point that caught my attention was that hedge funds are now coming into the market, bidding up debt, in hopes of being able to put it back. What are the odds this is a well-played gamble by the Fed &/or gov't that by providing a clear mechanism for mkt players to earn par on these securities, they are able to create a bid for distressed mortgage debt without having to actually visibly print the money on the front end (and maybe they think it is or will be easier to take it out of the banks' hides, until they need more capital, at which point they can nationalize the banks/bail them out, which if banks stocks tank, will be seen as a political positive (the general populace hates the banks now)? Crazy thought, but any validity to it?

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              Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

              It has been said over and that the Banks no longer own these loans. The loans
              were all sold to Pension Funds, they are the bag holders.

              There will be another tax payer funded back door bailout, this time the Pension Funds will need to be made whole
              for their immense losses in MBS.

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                Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

                I suspect it's counterparty risk among the big boys that is beginning to tear this scam apart.

                Or is it this:




                It should have been a routine foreclosure, with Mrs. Bradbury joining the anonymous millions quietly dispossessed since the recession began. But she was savvy enough to contact a nonprofit group, Pine Tree Legal Assistance, where for once in her 38 years, she caught a break.

                Her file was pulled, more or less at random, by Thomas A. Cox, a retired lawyer who volunteers at Pine Tree. He happened to know something about foreclosures because when he worked for a bank he did them all the time. Twenty years later, he had switched sides and, he says, was trying to make amends.

                Suddenly, there is a frenzy over foreclosures.

                http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/business/15maine.html


                Right....sheeple on, bro....

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                  Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

                  Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
                  And the kicker is that this sovereign capital that is being used to backfill the system is not capital at all, but claims on future income/wealth via debt repayment by the populace, primarily through inflation. Unfortunately, when prices are double or triple what they are now in a few short years, few will connect the dots.

                  What is your view on Canada with respect to this? Different than the USA or just a big 51st state (no offense intended)? I'm somewhat bullish on Canada given its commodity base and smaller population, and believe the "rule of law" may be better observed, but perhaps this is a delusion?
                  Different in that there is a greater acceptance of publicly funded services in Canada, and a better understanding and tolerance for the taxation needed to provide those. But only to a point. Rapid increases in taxation are met with a lot of poltical resistance, unlike rapid increases in government spending...as has happened in the past couple of years because of the fiscal stimulus. The acid test for Canada is whether or not the deficits that have returned after a decade-plus absence are really cyclical, as the politicians claim, or whether some component of them turns out to be structural. I fear it's the latter, but it's too early to tell. The way the government handles the next recession will be critical, especially given the now overlevered private balance sheets of so many Canadian households.

                  Commodity bull markets tend to help the east and west periphery of the country at the expense of the politically powerful center, which always results in rising political tensions within the country...never good.

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                    Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    Different in that there is a greater acceptance of publicly funded services in Canada, and a better understanding and tolerance for the taxation needed to provide those. But only to a point. Rapid increases in taxation are met with a lot of poltical resistance, unlike rapid increases in government spending...as has happened in the past couple of years because of the fiscal stimulus. The acid test for Canada is whether or not the deficits that have returned after a decade-plus absence are really cyclical, as the politicians claim, or whether some component of them turns out to be structural. I fear it's the latter, but it's too early to tell. The way the government handles the next recession will be critical, especially given the now overlevered private balance sheets of so many Canadian households.

                    Commodity bull markets tend to help the east and west periphery of the country at the expense of the politically powerful center, which always results in rising political tensions within the country...never good.
                    Honestly, I somewhat tire of the tax argument. Many of us in the US pay plenty in taxes. The problem is, we don't get anything for all the money.

                    I make a big income on national terms, but really barely can afford a livable apartment in New York City. I pay about 40% of my income in taxes. What do I get out of it? Midget police who couldn't save me from an armed kangaroo? Subway trains built before I was even born that barely run on the weekends as they attempt to patch crumbling 100-year old tunnels? Surly government works who make it a painful experience just to renew a license?

                    The problem in the US is that everyone and every system is so corrupt, in time, good people are just going to say forget it. It's not worth it!

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                      Re: Clash of the Titans: MBS begin to Smolder and Burn

                      Originally posted by Serge_Tomiko View Post
                      Honestly, I somewhat tire of the tax argument. Many of us in the US pay plenty in taxes. The problem is, we don't get anything for all the money...
                      Canada is a young country with relatively young infrastructure. I am sure it varies somewhat, but out in the west side of the country where I live the urban infrastructure [including the public transit systems, waterworks, police and fire], and interurban roads and bridges, are first class [compared to what I've seen in large parts of the USA and abroad] and really well maintained. But it is expensive. I am quite sure our overall tax burden is materially higher than most places in the USA. And, yes, there is no shortage of government waste and useless program spending, but I think overall Canadians seem sufficiently satisfied with the quality of the services they receive that they continue to shoulder the tax burden. I'm not aware of any tax revolt movements or protests that have happened in recent years in Canada.

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